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AF Axing PHL, DL Launch PHL-CDG  
User currently offlineVikingA346 From Sweden, joined Oct 2006, 515 posts, RR: 0
Posted (5 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 11576 times:

I heard rumours that AF is axing its 5x weekly PHL serivce. Does anyone have any more info on this? I did a search and nothing came up.

I hear it was announced just a few days ago. Can anyone confirm?


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User currently offlinePHLapproach From Philippines, joined Mar 2004, 1242 posts, RR: 20
Reply 1, posted (5 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 11393 times:

I'm sure it's just a rumor and that's it. I think it should be left as is.

User currently offlineSkyteam10001 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 197 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (5 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 11223 times:

Agreed

while PHL is one of the weakest players of AF's transatlantic network, along with ORD, I have never heard anything about its possible cancellation


User currently offlineN917me From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 730 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (5 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 11114 times:

Yes as of April 1, 2009 AF will no longer service PHL. DL will commence service from PHL-CDG with AF placing their code on the flight.

User currently offlineCgnnrw From Germany, joined May 2005, 1150 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (5 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days ago) and read 10985 times:

Oh no! Very sad news for me personally if true.  Sad

I became a huge AF fan due to their service into PHL. I love their A330s.

Why is DL taking over the flight? I though AF/DL had a revenue share agreement which covered all trans-Atlantic flights? If AF can't perform well how can DL? DL doesn't have a whole lot of traffic to in/out of PHL other than to ATL and CVG so I'm curious how this will work for them? NOt much feeder since ATL and CVG already have their own CDG flights.

I hope and pray this is just another a.net rumor. I'm starting to plan my annual trip in May/June to PHL and booking AF was more or less a given fact.



A330 man.
User currently offlineUsairways85 From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 3401 posts, RR: 7
Reply 5, posted (5 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days ago) and read 10966 times:

Especially because DL would likely throw a 763 on the route compared to AF's A330's and 340's

User currently offlineN917me From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 730 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (5 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days ago) and read 10944 times:

Sorry, this is not an a.net rumor. Sad to see an International carrier leave. Its nice to see AF bring in the A330 & A340's.

User currently offlineLexy From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 2515 posts, RR: 8
Reply 7, posted (5 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days ago) and read 10911 times:

I'm curious as well why DL will start flying it? More like, HOW they will fly it and with what passengers? PHL is a *A hub and DL is SkyTeam so there is hardly any feed coming from the banks of flights. It would strictly be an O&D flight. Well, AF is SkyTeam and it didn't work so I don't know how DL will make it work. What an odd turn of events.


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User currently offlineJetlanta From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 3262 posts, RR: 35
Reply 8, posted (5 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 10887 times:



Quoting Lexy (Reply 7):
I'm curious as well why DL will start flying it? More like, HOW they will fly it and with what passengers? PHL is a *A hub and DL is SkyTeam so there is hardly any feed coming from the banks of flights. It would strictly be an O&D flight. Well, AF is SkyTeam and it didn't work so I don't know how DL will make it work. What an odd turn of events.

What exactly is CDG?

Think of this in the same way that NW and KL swap markets. Its just about the equipment.


User currently offlineUsairways85 From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 3401 posts, RR: 7
Reply 9, posted (5 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 10835 times:



Quoting Jetlanta (Reply 8):
Think of this in the same way that NW and KL swap markets. Its just about the equipment.

However with the exception of maybe some flts from DL hubs to CDG, AF and DL have never swapped markets like NW/KL do.

And while these swaps are typically because of equipment I thought DL was rather short on its widebody aircraft given the recent increase in international flying from JFK and ATL. Have all of the 764's been converted for international ops?


Well maybe there was a reason DL wanted to move to Terminal A in PHL after all.


User currently offlineJetlanta From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 3262 posts, RR: 35
Reply 10, posted (5 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 10800 times:



Quoting Usairways85 (Reply 9):
However with the exception of maybe some flts from DL hubs to CDG, AF and DL have never swapped markets like NW/KL do.

And while these swaps are typically because of equipment I thought DL was rather short on its widebody aircraft given the recent increase in international flying from JFK and ATL. Have all of the 764's been converted for international ops?


Well maybe there was a reason DL wanted to move to Terminal A in PHL after all.

The DL/AF Joint Venture is brand-new. It changes the relationship to one identical to NW/KL.

Delta is adding the remaining 764's to the international fleet this year. Plus there are additional 757's that have not been converted to international, but are planned to. And, if Boeing resumes production, DL has 8 more 77L's on the way soon.

So, no, DL isn't short on international equipment. Just 777's.


User currently offlinePanamair From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 4894 posts, RR: 25
Reply 11, posted (5 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 10738 times:
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Quoting Usairways85 (Reply 5):
Especially because DL would likely throw a 763 on the route compared to AF's A330's and 340's

I am willing to bet that DLAF would place the DL 752 on the route, especially if there is any truth to the notion that PHL-CDG is one of the weaker AF markets.


User currently offlineRunway23 From US Minor Outlying Islands, joined Jan 2005, 2190 posts, RR: 35
Reply 12, posted (5 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 10709 times:



Quoting Usairways85 (Reply 5):
Especially because DL would likely throw a 763 on the route compared to AF's A330's and 340's

It is actually a lot more likely that you will find this route flown by a 757.

Let's not forget that the new joint-venture enables AF and DL to have access to each other's fleets. For AF that means that there are now two smaller aircraft (757-200 and 767-300) than what their smallest aircraft currently is (A330-200). All in all AF and DL can right size equipment for the right market.


User currently offlineCharles79 From Puerto Rico, joined Mar 2007, 1331 posts, RR: 6
Reply 13, posted (5 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 10647 times:



Quoting Runway23 (Reply 12):
Let's not forget that the new joint-venture enables AF and DL to have access to each other's fleets. For AF that means that there are now two smaller aircraft (757-200 and 767-300) than what their smallest aircraft currently is (A330-200). All in all AF and DL can right size equipment for the right market.

If that's the case then once the DL/NW merger goes through then they'll truly have a wide variety of aircraft to right size their fleet to meet actual market demands. It would an a.netter's wet dream!

744, 77W, 77E, 77L, A343, A333, A332, 764, 763, 753, 752.....

I heard the PHL rumor a few days ago, which means that now LAX-LHR (eventually) and PHL-CDG will go to DL while one JFK-LHR will go to AF. Why do I have the suspicion that we haven't seen the last of this?

Btw, I've heard rumors that later this year AF and KL operations will finally be merged in the US, with the result that some stations will be handled by only one of the sisters (the rumor I heard is that IAD will be handled by KL, JFK and LAX by AF, IAH by KL, and so forth). The way I understood the rumor though it's not that AF or KL will cancel flights, rather they just would handle the local operation. Anyone esle heard this or have any better info?


User currently offlinePanamair From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 4894 posts, RR: 25
Reply 14, posted (5 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 10607 times:
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Quoting Charles79 (Reply 13):
that now LAX-LHR (eventually) and PHL-CDG will go to DL while one JFK-LHR will go to AF. Why do I have the suspicion that we haven't seen the last of this?

JFK-CDG already went from DL to AF...but if operated along the lines of NW-KL, we could conceivably see switches every year or few years as well - i.e., DL metal may be back on JFK-CDG one summer, AF metal may be back on PHL-CDG another summer, etc., the drivers being demand and which company has aircraft availability at the time.

Quoting Charles79 (Reply 13):
the rumor I heard is that IAD will be handled by KL, JFK and LAX by AF, IAH by KL, and so forth

But isn't KL ground in the U.S. basically NW?

The whole ground situation of AF and DL could eventually go the way of NW-KL. When NW-KL formed their JV, pretty much all KL ground functions went over to NW, while KL took over most or all of NW's ground ops in Europe. Basically, you can hardly find a NW employee in NW uniform in Europe, or a KL employee in KL uniform in the U.S.
I don't know if AF and DL will go that far in terms of integrating all existing AF ground employees in the U.S. into DL, and folding existing DL ground staff in Europe into AF.


User currently offlineCgnnrw From Germany, joined May 2005, 1150 posts, RR: 2
Reply 15, posted (5 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 10457 times:

Despite all the arguments backing AF's decision to drop PHL, I personally am very disappointed. I really loved their service and always enjoyed flying them. I guess I'll have to start flying into EWR next trip back to PA. An extra 1 hour drive won't make or break me.

If DL puts a 757 on the route I will definitely look look to alternatives. Tried the 757 twice and it is not my cup of tea.  thumbsdown 

Au Revior AF! It was fun while it lasted.  weeping 



A330 man.
User currently offlineLambert747 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (5 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 10424 times:



Quoting N917me (Reply 3):
Yes as of April 1, 2009 AF will no longer service PHL. DL will commence service from PHL-CDG with AF placing their code on the flight.

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This is rumor that I believe may be announced as fact in the very near future.

Quoting Usairways85 (Reply 5):
Especially because DL would likely throw a 763 on the route compared to AF's A330's and 340's

No, try a 757-200, unless one of the freed 767-300 from the LHR routes is used to operate the route.

Quoting Cgnnrw (Reply 15):

If DL puts a 757 on the route I will definitely look look to alternatives. Tried the 757 twice and it is not my cup of tea.

The DL 752, is not as bad, at least not nearly as bad as the CO 752 across the pond..


User currently offlineCgnnrw From Germany, joined May 2005, 1150 posts, RR: 2
Reply 17, posted (5 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 10382 times:



Quoting Lambert747 (Reply 16):
The DL 752, is not as bad, at least not nearly as bad as the CO 752 across the pond..

Sorry, I disagree. Flew DL FRA-JFK and CO CGN-EWR, both 757 flights and although neither was a terrible experience both were certainly not up to an A330. Just my two cents.....

A bit off topic but both AF and NW currently serve DTW from CDG. Are yields / loads so much better? I know AF can feed off lots of traffic at DTW but at the moment they are competing directly with NW whereas PHL they run the show.

Maybe if I wish hard enough, AF will decide to stay.  crossfingers   optimist 



A330 man.
User currently offlineLambert747 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (5 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 10358 times:



Quoting Cgnnrw (Reply 17):
Sorry, I disagree. Flew DL FRA-JFK and CO CGN-EWR, both 757 flights and although neither was a terrible experience both were certainly not up to an A330. Just my two cents.....

We all, for the most part would love the space of the A330 or 777 across the pond, however economics and route performance often times dictate smaller equipment to be used to sustain a route. Hence the reason that CO has so many 752 across the pond, along with the addition of US, NW, and DL 752 equipment across the pond.


User currently offlineVikingA346 From Sweden, joined Oct 2006, 515 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (5 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 10358 times:



Quoting Lambert747 (Reply 16):
This is rumor that I believe may be announced as fact in the very near future.

It may as well have already been announced. AF have notified the PHL staff that they will cease operations to PHL as of Mar 31, 2009.



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User currently offlineCgnnrw From Germany, joined May 2005, 1150 posts, RR: 2
Reply 20, posted (5 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 10357 times:

just a quick P.S.......

I don't want anyone to think I'm a DL basher. I try to fly them whenever I'm travelling within the US, I simply prefer AF for the trans-Atlantic segments.



A330 man.
User currently offlineVikingA346 From Sweden, joined Oct 2006, 515 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (5 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 10344 times:

So, with AF leaving, that will leave only two european carriers at PHL? BA and LH.... Man PHL is lacking the heavies these days... US Airways' 330's, 767s are about all there is other than LH's 343 and BA's 777 and 763.

Is PHL slowly dying or what is going on??



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User currently offlineCgnnrw From Germany, joined May 2005, 1150 posts, RR: 2
Reply 22, posted (5 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 10321 times:



Quoting VikingA346 (Reply 19):

It may as well have already been announced. AF have notified the PHL staff that they will cease operations to PHL as of Mar 31, 2009.

Hmmm, maybe I can try to get over there before then, have to see what the boss says about it though.

Quoting Lambert747 (Reply 18):
We all, for the most part would love the space of the A330 or 777 across the pond, however economics and route performance often times dictate smaller equipment to be used to sustain a route. Hence the reason that CO has so many 752 across the pond, along with the addition of US, NW, and DL 752 equipment across the pond.

Yes, I am perfectly aware of that and if DL can make a buck or two on the route, good for them. Every cent helps in today's times.



A330 man.
User currently offlineSBON From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 108 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (5 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 10244 times:

I find it hard to believe that DL is taking over PHL-CDG. I think a lot of French businessmen will be just a little disappointed that their service went from a 1947 Cheval Blanc to a Miller Lite.

User currently offlineUsairways85 From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 3401 posts, RR: 7
Reply 24, posted (5 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 10208 times:



Quoting Cgnnrw (Reply 15):
If DL puts a 757 on the route I will definitely look look to alternatives. Tried the 757 twice and it is not my cup of tea.

Exactly what I was thinking.

Quoting VikingA346 (Reply 21):
Is PHL slowly dying or what is going on??

Seriously, despite being stuck between IAD and EWR/JFK there is a rather large population serving the PHL area. Granted US does serve a good number of TA destinations, but just look at Boston and you have a big difference in number of carriers. I think if US took more advantage of being in Star you could have seen some more intl presence, but that's not happening


25 PennPal : CDG = Paris/Charles De Gaulle International Airport
26 PHLapproach : Your telling us! We've been wanting Intl carriers to come in for years and they've been saying they would - e.g EI. This is extremely saddening and I
27 Runway23 : I don't know what your fascination is with LAX-LHR coming back with Delta. It won't unless the dynamics of the route change greatly. It's quite unlik
28 Alitalia744 : I'm sure Jetlanta knows what CDG is. I believe this post was asking - "Isn't CDG a SkyTeam hub...."
29 WorldTraveler : this confirms why DL was interested in moving to A in PHL. The 757 if that is what is chosen will work just fine on the route. PHL is a strong US city
30 RoseFlyer : One difference is that the service levels between AF and DL are quite different. The premium products are very different. AF has some 3 class and som
31 FLYjoe : Not doubting that the rumor could be true, as it makes sense. I was looking in Sabre through Summer of 2009 and they still have the AF A330 operating
32 N839MH : Maybe Delta could start DFW-CDG for Air France. Sure would be nice to get Delta back into the International arena here in DFW.
33 Nwaesc : It used to be, but it isn't so much anymore... Outside of LAX, I don't think we ground handle KL anywhere anymore-and I'm guessing on that...Maybe so
34 Lambert747 : Perhaps the other rumor of NWA resuming PHL-AMS will come true as well with the 752.
35 Simairlinenet : It will be a 757-200. Look for Delta to serve another new U.S. point from CDG with 757s as well.
36 Lambert747 : If talk is cheap the markets that I have heard for possible DL expansion from CDG to the US include: BWI, IAD, PIT, BDL, BOS, EWR
37 Panamair : That's what I was thinking since they would somehow have to rotate a 752 onto the PHL-CDG route...
38 Bobnwa : Your rumors are not true. KLM currently has no employees(other than cargo) in the US so they do not handle their own flights. Just like NWA doesn't i
39 Evan767 : Gotta be BOS.
40 Aircanada014 : I don't know how DL can make this route possible if AF is axing it? DL doesn't have a hub in PHL. I know this won't work too well.
41 COGlobeTrotter : I'm sure DL & AF ran the numbers & the economics of running a DL 752 or 763 would be more profitable than an AF 343. In a joint venture you share the
42 Lambert747 : DL 757-200 Capacity 16J 158Y AF A330-200 Capacity 40J 179Y There is a defined advantage to DL on the route vs. AF. Both in the limited seating capaci
43 BrianDromey : Makes sense, I think this would basically mean that AF would be taking over all handling for KL in the US then, because NW (soon to be DL, could be a
44 Fanoftristars : What is AF's average load factor on the A330-200 on this route? Does anyone know? If the average is over 180, then DL can easily make this work with
45 Bobnwa : No but DL has a hub at CDG just like NW has a hub at AMS. It is all part of the new ATI agreement between AF/KL/DL/NW. Since a larger percentage of t
46 YULWinterSkies : I guess the question is where that A332 is going to go? Any bet that it will serve LHR again (I know LHR-LAX will be cut.)
47 Cubsrule : Depending on what happens with CVG post-merger, it might be CVG too. That would make some sense from an operational perspective, though that's a pret
48 Lambert747 : I would venture to say the new AF JFK-LHR service for start in 2009..
49 Cubsrule : I think that's incorrect. IIRC KL uses a handler at ORD.
50 Vega : PHL's Load factor on AF has been (2007) at least 50% better than DTW-CDG and in certain months twice better - and that is virtually ALL PHL O&D, unli
51 Lambert747 : A 100% full flight does not equate to a route that can turn a profit. All it proves is that people are flying the route. There is no way to prove the
52 Panamair : Based on raw DOT data for the first three months of 2008, here are the load factors: PHL-CDG: January: 64.2% February (A330): 51.6% February (A340):
53 Runway23 : AF's JFK-LHR will be 772. CVG will see a sharp increase in 757 flights this coming winter which could spread through summer 2009. There's a strong po
54 Lambert747 : The LF for february was horrible. It is no wonder why the DL 752 is a better fit for the route..
55 DeltaL1011man : Right. DL still has room to grow with the 763s. 75E LAX-LHR will be back. Maybe True that. 752 vs. A332 Nope 77E. Same plane from the LAX-LHR route.
56 Copa737DFW : What about ORD??? I didn't know that they were one of Air France's worst cities..
57 Panamair : I got cut off before I could caveat something - the A340 loads should be considered outliers for February as AF only operated 2 flights that month wi
58 Bobnwa : I would bet you can't prove that statement that AF load factors were 50% to twice as good as DTW-CDG in 2007. That is preposterous .
59 Jetlanta : Thanks, my friend! If AF was actually selling First Class on PHL-CDG, we probably wouldn't be having this discussion.
60 Skyteam10001 : When i first commented on this thread way up there, the title was "AF to axe PHL" and I was a little skeptical. Now that it says "DL to launch CDG-PHL
61 Usairways85 : Many TA flts in Feb have horrible LF. Getting data from March to August would give a better picture
62 Lambert747 : ORD-CDG is range restricted as is, it would be flown with restrictions. DTW-CDG is within range, and would go out with little if any restrictions.
63 UA772IAD : I doubt this. AF is a much bigger player at IAD than KL, and dropping CDG services (if that's what you mean), cedes the Washington-Paris market solel
64 Lambert747 : Demand drops Sept-Mar, so it is best to equate one aircraft to the route and sustain the route year-round with that certain aircraft type. Perfect ex
65 FlyDreamliner : This is very likely. Once DL and NW are merged they'll have close to 30 ETOPS international config 757-200. They'll have plenty of ability to downsiz
66 Usairways85 : Valid point, although with as much as the airlines shift frequency and aircraft these days that has to be a basic analysis Look at EWR-FCO on CO In t
67 Jfk777 : A 752 or 763 would be less seats and more economical then an Air France A330-200. Well, no 77W yet and no A340's of any kind in the NW fleet. 77L's w
68 STT757 : Fill me in, why is DL's trans-Atlantic 757s superior?..
69 AAFLT1871 : You can take that one right off of the list. AF covers IAD quite well. No need to throw a 757 on a route that sees 772's, 77W's and A330's. Now I cou
70 Cubsrule : They might need the cargo capacity of a widebody on ORD-CDG. KL has the 74M (to AMS) and AF has a cargo 744 in addition to the daily 343 flight. If t
71 PeachAir : This is a totally baseless rumor with no support to back it up. PHL-CDG? A concourse? THINK AGAIN Wrong, who wants those FIS gates at PHL? THINK AGAI
72 Usdcaguy : Is there something I'm missing here? A closure of an AF station in PHL means little in terms of lost revenue to AF or DL given their new joint venture
73 Lambert747 : Having flown DL J JFK-MAN, DL Y JFK-LYS, I can attest that as a passenger I have enjoyed it much more than I did flying on CO J EWR-LGW, and CO Y EWR
74 Runway23 : Trust me it won't, at least not for another 3-4 years minimum. DL/AF/KL/NW's agenda right now in LHR and LGW is: 1. Add additional flights to JFK (ai
75 DeltaL1011man : CVG-LGW will stay non-stop. A LHR flight might come via one-stop at DTW,JFK or ATL. DL will not make the same mistake other have made by moving to LH
76 MAH4546 : They are not going to waste their time with FLL because the premium traffic is going to MIA and there is no feed on the LHR side. The only way FLL-Eu
77 PSU.DTW.SCE : NW was seriously considering restarting PHL-AMS with a 75A in 2008. It was on the short list of new TATL routes, but ultimately didn't get the go-ahe
78 DeltaL1011man : DL will not close LGW. Just because JFK-LHR gets one more flight doesn't mean its anymore likely than it was with JFK at 2x daily. DL still does very
79 STT757 : Most of Philadelphia's wealthiest suburbs are North of Center City in Bucks and Montgomery Counties, it's not that much more of a drive from some of
80 MAH4546 : We'll have to wait and see. My money is that they will close it once they have enough slots at Heathrow to do what they need. AA and CO kept LGW open
81 HB-IWC : As pointed out to you in the thread regarding the end of the LHR LAX services, the AF press release pertaining to the suspension of this service expl
82 WorldTraveler : the question is not whether the expense is there because of being in the same city but instead that there are two different sets of customers that yo
83 DeltaL1011man : Yes but looking at the way DL does things I could see them keeping both. Just look at IAD/DCA,EWR/JFK/LGA,SFO/SJC/OAK,IAH/HOU,MIA/FLL,ORD/MDW,LHR/LGW
84 MAH4546 : You can't compare operating two U.S. stations with two international stations, which are far more expensive to operate. And "the way DL does things?"
85 DeltaL1011man : Didn't mean it in a WT type of way so don't take it like that. What I mean (and I am mainly talking about HOU/IAH and MDW and ORD) is DL is one of th
86 MAH4546 : They are the only ones at MDW. Then again, none of the other majors share a hub with AirTran. However, thanks to ATA being gone, they have likely fou
87 Daron4000 : For the record, how does DL's J prodcut on the 757 compare to other legacies. Specifically, the seat looks the same as Virgin America's F product on
88 PeachAir : Can you please back this up with confirmation? I have business in PHL that would be impacted greatly if this were true.
89 Cgnnrw : Quite true and I don't think anyone can disagree with that statement. As I already posted I always had a good experience on the AF flight to Philly.
90 Phollingsworth : Are AF's A332s really that low density? What makes the coach numbers so low? DL and NW have ~20-30 more seats on their B764 and A332 respectively. No
91 EMB170 : Don't agree...given: 1) AF does well enough in BOS that they can make a 744 profitable on it (they continue to send the 744 to BOS even though they c
92 EMB170 : The reason ORD probably doesn't perform well is again, like PHL, ORD is an enemy alliance hub airport with 50% UA/Star flyers and the other 50% AA/on
93 B752os : Has there ever been a study conducted to put a number, or percentage of travelers who opt to drive to JFK, EWR and IAD for international service inst
94 WorldTraveler : I have truly made my mark when I have a writing style on a.net named after me. Apparently, it's somewhat related to that of Barracuda Sarah? NW alrea
95 JetSetter629 : The wealthiest subards are actually west of the city. The "Main Line" is part of Montogomery County and Chester County is the wealthies county in the
96 Usairways85 : Hasn't AA already tried? Not the best economic times to start testing TA routes.
97 Cubsrule : BDL-AMS didn't work. The local market to CDG is likely larger, but I don't know if it's enough larger for the route to work for DL. Passenger numbers
98 N917me : ummmm, think again.. per AF manager and staff were notified last week
99 N917ME : AF will not be operating the flight.. it will be a codeshare operated by DL.
100 B752OS : It would be nice if someone would use BOS as a 752 European gateway, but if DL does not do it, I highly doubt AA would. AA has already cut 752 flying
101 PeachAir : N917ME - you have been added to my respected members list. When will an announcement to the public be made??
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