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Air Comet Confirms The Start Of Madrid-Medellin  
User currently offlineSOUTHAMERICA From Colombia, joined Dec 2003, 2497 posts, RR: 10
Posted (6 years 2 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 5111 times:

Air Comet will finally start regular flights between Madrid and Medellin in 2009.

Ignacio Pascual, Air Comet CEO, is currently in the city and tomorrow, together with other directives and city authorities, will hold a press conference in which the official announcement will be made.

Still no info about a specific launch date or frequency, but based on bilateral restrictions, it will most probably be a 3x weekly flight.

Great news. Air Comet joins LAN and TACA as new players in the city. Hopefully Spirit can join next year as well.


SA.

[Edited 2008-10-08 18:19:33]

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User currently offlineLatinplane From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 2736 posts, RR: 14
Reply 1, posted (6 years 2 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 5048 times:

Great news SA. While I have no doubt that such service would be a hit during the summer period as well as the Christmas holidays I have to wonder how it will perform with the current economic situation in Spain. Already there are signs of weakness with diminishing traffic patterns from Spain to South America directly affected by the employment situation in Spain.

 Smile LatinPlane


User currently offline757MDE From Colombia, joined Sep 2004, 1753 posts, RR: 6
Reply 2, posted (6 years 2 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 4993 times:

This is great news.
I have some doubts about pure O&D traffic to support the whole route, let's hope Air Comet is smart enough to come with interesting connecting choices to the rest of Europe! (on own metal or code-sharing).



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User currently offlineSumma767 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2004, 2561 posts, RR: 6
Reply 3, posted (6 years 2 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 4930 times:

My worry are the connection possibilities that Air Comet has out of Madrid. I believe that these are limited.I understand that there are some destinations where Air Comet and Air Europa codeshare. This makes perfect sense. I hope that these 2 companies consolidate their cooperation to make the most of their operations. That way, routes such as MAD-MDE can work.
I wish Air Comet luck and that the incorporation of smart, brand new A330s that started recently and will continue in the next weeks and months, can serve as a base for a good and reliable service.


User currently offlineUPPERDECKFAN From Spain, joined Jun 2007, 992 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (6 years 2 weeks 2 days ago) and read 4887 times:

IMO carriers such as UX and AirComet that are VFR and leisure oriented should concentrate their LatAm ops on stations like MDE where they don't face IB competition.

I think other LatAm stations that could be profitable for them are COR, MTY and LPB-VVI between others.



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User currently offline123 From Bolivia, joined Nov 2003, 745 posts, RR: 3
Reply 5, posted (6 years 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 4861 times:



Quoting UPPERDECKFAN (Reply 4):
LPB-VVI between others

Air Comet flies to VVI 2xweekly in a codeshare agreement with AeroSur.

They use the A330 and sometimes the A310 (I used both already).

Incidentally: Anybody know if on 22OCT the flight VVI-MAD will be operated by the brand new A330 published in A7's website? Would be great... as I will be on board of that flight.


User currently offlineJfk777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 8428 posts, RR: 7
Reply 6, posted (6 years 2 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 4797 times:
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If Medellin got nonstop service to Spain that would be three Colombian Cities with servcie to Madrid. Cali and Bogota would be the other two, Cali is nonstop by AV & BOG by IB, AV and Air Comet.

User currently offlineLatinplane From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 2736 posts, RR: 14
Reply 7, posted (6 years 2 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 4776 times:



Quoting Jfk777 (Reply 6):
If Medellin got nonstop service to Spain that would be three Colombian Cities with servcie to Madrid. Cali and Bogota would be the other two, Cali is nonstop by AV & BOG by IB, AV and Air Comet.

Colombia has already had three destinations with direct flights to Spain in the past. Air Madrid, as you may remember, used to make a stop once a week at Cartagena de Indias, but this stop was mandatory with then restrictions in place, and proved unprofitable.

 Smile LatinPlane


User currently offlineSOUTHAMERICA From Colombia, joined Dec 2003, 2497 posts, RR: 10
Reply 8, posted (6 years 2 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 4647 times:



Quoting Latinplane (Reply 1):
Already there are signs of weakness with diminishing traffic patterns from Spain to South America directly affected by the employment situation in Spain.

But the trend airlines are following suggests the total opposite. IB just increased frequencies on its BOG-MAD route, and AV will increase CLO-MAD from 4x to 6x weekly shortly.

Demand may not be as stellar as it used to, but the Colombia-Spain market has been historically so restricted, that any additional weekly frequencies are always a breath of fresh air.

Quoting Latinplane (Reply 7):
Madrid, as you may remember, used to make a stop once a week at Cartagena de Indias, but this stop was mandatory with then restrictions in place, and proved unprofitable.

Air Madrid is not exactly the ideal case to judge if CTG-MAD was profitable or not. In other words, we will never know if the route is not viable, or if it was plain mismanagement.


SA.


User currently offlineGatoVolador From Spain, joined Apr 2007, 435 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (6 years 2 weeks 1 day ago) and read 4581 times:



Quoting 123 (Reply 5):
Air Comet flies to VVI 2xweekly in a codeshare agreement with AeroSur.

They use the A330 and sometimes the A310 (I used both already).

Incidentally: Anybody know if on 22OCT the flight VVI-MAD will be operated by the brand new A330 published in A7's website? Would be great... as I will be on board of that flight.

The operation of Air Comet was just a wet-lease. Air Comet did the flights on behalf of Aerosur with their employees and aircrafts. Since a month or a couple of months ago, Aerosur received a B747-300 (called "Torísimo"), and as a consequence of that, Aerosur's own substituted Air Comet. In other words, the VVI-MAD route will never see the new A330 but the B743 of Aerosur instead.


User currently offline123 From Bolivia, joined Nov 2003, 745 posts, RR: 3
Reply 10, posted (6 years 2 weeks 1 day ago) and read 4574 times:



Quoting GatoVolador (Reply 9):
The operation of Air Comet was just a wet-lease. Air Comet did the flights on behalf of Aerosur with their employees and aircrafts. Since a month or a couple of months ago, Aerosur received a B747-300 (called "Torísimo"), and as a consequence of that, Aerosur's own substituted Air Comet. In other words, the VVI-MAD route will never see the new A330 but the B743 of Aerosur instead.

True, but as per 5L, the operations 3xweek are flown at the time only once - Fridays VVI-MAD and Saturdays MAD-VVI by the B743, the other days again with Air Comet A330. It will be really a pain if it is not true because I booked the flight selecting the days only to fly the A330 which is a nice aircraft (also the older version of A7 was great).


User currently offlineSOUTHAMERICA From Colombia, joined Dec 2003, 2497 posts, RR: 10
Reply 11, posted (6 years 2 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 4449 times:

Service will start in Feb09, initially with 2x weekly flights on A340-300.

Local authorities had been luring Air Comet to materialise this service for 2 years, and finally they succeeded. Air Comet CEO expects that local authorities continue to work with them, to promote this flight and make it work.

http://www.elcolombiano.com/BancoCon...edellin_y_europa.asp?CodSeccion=19

Let's see how this turns out. Good luck for them.


SA.


User currently offlineGatoVolador From Spain, joined Apr 2007, 435 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (6 years 2 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 4406 times:



Quoting 123 (Reply 10):
True, but as per 5L, the operations 3xweek are flown at the time only once - Fridays VVI-MAD and Saturdays MAD-VVI by the B743, the other days again with Air Comet A330. It will be really a pain if it is not true because I booked the flight selecting the days only to fly the A330 which is a nice aircraft (also the older version of A7 was great).

My mistake. You're right: Air Comet still operates some flights.

In principle, the "old" A332 will go to Air Europa soon, so in the future the only A332 will be the new ones. I don't know how much this process will take.


User currently offlineSumma767 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2004, 2561 posts, RR: 6
Reply 13, posted (6 years 2 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 4389 times:

So, is Air Comet keeping its A340s then?
I was surprised to hear that MDE is being planned with the A340 because of performance issues (very similar situation to BOG). I thought that the new A332s would have longer legs.

Every time A7 has operated A332s to from BOG to MAD it has to make a refueling stop in the Dominican Republic, but I still assumed it was the "old" A330s that had the stop-demanding restrictions..


User currently offlineClo1973 From Colombia, joined Apr 2006, 243 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (6 years 1 week 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 4238 times:



Quoting SOUTHAMERICA (Reply 8):
AV will increase CLO-MAD from 4x to 6x weekly shortly

When will AV start flying those 6x?..where did you hear it..or read it?


User currently offlineGatoVolador From Spain, joined Apr 2007, 435 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (6 years 1 week 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 4223 times:



Quoting Summa767 (Reply 13):
So, is Air Comet keeping its A340s then?

No, they won't. Their fleet will be A330 only.


User currently offlineTroest From Denmark, joined Mar 2008, 169 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (6 years 1 week 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 4185 times:

Great news for Medellin!

Only bad thing about it is that Air Comet/Europa offers a limited option to connect to the rest of Europe, unless you are travelling within Spain.


User currently offlineAvianca From Venezuela, joined Jan 2005, 5934 posts, RR: 40
Reply 17, posted (6 years 1 week 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 4167 times:

great news for MDE!!!

Quoting 757MDE (Reply 2):
let's hope Air Comet is smart enough to come with interesting connecting choices to the rest of Europe! (on own metal or code-sharing).



Quoting Summa767 (Reply 3):
My worry are the connection possibilities that Air Comet has out of Madrid. I believe that these are limited.I understand that there are some destinations where Air Comet and Air Europa codeshare. This makes perfect sense. I hope that these 2 companies consolidate their cooperation to make the most of their operations. That way, routes such as MAD-MDE can work.



Quoting Troest (Reply 16):
Only bad thing about it is that Air Comet/Europa offers a limited option to connect to the rest of Europe, unless you are travelling within Spain.

to be honest I do not understand all the negative commends regarding the possible connections. Air Comet has already enough interline connections to offer - for Germany they used JK in the past, assume they still do.



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User currently offlineSOUTHAMERICA From Colombia, joined Dec 2003, 2497 posts, RR: 10
Reply 18, posted (6 years 1 week 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 4115 times:



Quoting Clo1973 (Reply 14):
When will AV start flying those 6x?

This increase has already been loaded. Effective December 21st, BOG-CLO-MAD will go 6x weekly with no service on Thursdays.

This change has been loaded indefinitely for now, but it is not certain if it will actually operate year-round or it is only a high-season increase.

Avianca will also operate additional flights MDE-JFK on A319 during this high-season, but these flights will not begin in CLO.

Quoting Troest (Reply 16):
Only bad thing about it is that Air Comet/Europa offers a limited option to connect to the rest of Europe, unless you are travelling within Spain.

And Spain is where most people in this flight will be traveling to.

Lack of connections to other countries does not worry me. They could help, but are not a determinant factor, as long as they promote this flight within the large Colombian community in Spain, and offer good connections in the country.


SA.


User currently offlineLatinplane From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 2736 posts, RR: 14
Reply 19, posted (6 years 1 week 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 3998 times:



Quoting SOUTHAMERICA (Reply 18):
Lack of connections to other countries does not worry me. They could help, but are not a determinant factor, as long as they promote this flight within the large Colombian community in Spain, and offer good connections in the country

Precisely, plus they make up for the lack of connection in Europe with connections to Spain from other Northern-South American countries. One route they should be considering is to the Canary Islands where the Colombian community is quite strong and has to either backtrack to Madrid or fly via Caracas. Any idea how the Alicante flight is doing?

 Smile LatinPlane


User currently offlineSumma767 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2004, 2561 posts, RR: 6
Reply 20, posted (6 years 1 week 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 3984 times:

I suspect that the main reason for Air Comet to be changing schedules as from the end of the month is to capture more connecting passengers. Leaving MAD at circa midnight allows that, and similarly a dawn arrival back in MAD
What is not so good, and will scare off many a business passenger, is the 11 am departure from BOG. I expect that MDE would follow the same pattern

Quoting Latinplane (Reply 19):
Any idea how the Alicante flight is doing?

It ain't. The ALC stop was cancelled back in March.
As I understand it, there was good demand, but nothing that BCN could not make up, and as there was no longer a legal requirement for that stop -which was expensive-, it was cancelled.

I would still like to see AV serve ALC again. Perhaps later on it can be done non-stop, or if traffic rights were eventually allowed, even via Tenerife.


User currently offlineLatinplane From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 2736 posts, RR: 14
Reply 21, posted (6 years 1 week 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 3943 times:



Quoting Summa767 (Reply 20):
t ain't. The ALC stop was cancelled back in March.
As I understand it, there was good demand, but nothing that BCN could not make up, and as there was no longer a legal requirement for that stop -which was expensive-, it was cancelled.

Wow, I checked Avianca's website and ALC doesn't even show up anymore. I did expect that Avianca would drop the tag-on if it were allowed to do so, but there were also reports that the destination had performed better than expected and that Avianca was even considering adding a second flight. Didn't realize that they were going to ditch it ASAP though.

http://www.diarioinformacion.com/sec...elo-directo-operaba-Avianca-Bogota

It was an interesting destination on Avianca's route map, I must say.

 Smile LatinPlane


User currently offlineClo1973 From Colombia, joined Apr 2006, 243 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (6 years 1 week 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 3881 times:



Quoting SOUTHAMERICA (Reply 18):
This increase has already been loaded. Effective December 21st, BOG-CLO-MAD will go 6x weekly with no service on Thursdays.

This change has been loaded indefinitely for now, but it is not certain if it will actually operate year-round or it is only a high-season increase.

Thanks for the info. Last December when AV went from 2x to 4x on this route, load factor was unchanged so in other words they double the no. of pax using that flight; I hope the same happens now and AV keeps it year-long although with the current world economical ditch who knows.....


User currently offlineRCS763AV From Colombia, joined Jun 2004, 4395 posts, RR: 12
Reply 23, posted (6 years 1 week 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 3812 times:



Quoting Clo1973 (Reply 22):
Thanks for the info. Last December when AV went from 2x to 4x on this route, load factor was unchanged so in other words they double the no. of pax using that flight;

How much people from Cali are using the flight? I have heard that more than half the pax originate in Bogota.

Congratulations to the paisas. Even though MDE-Spain has small VFR traffic, if Air Comet plays it well it could still work, as it is only ~550 seats to fill per week. The city of Medellin also has a healthy economy.



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User currently offlineSumma767 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2004, 2561 posts, RR: 6
Reply 24, posted (6 years 1 week 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 3798 times:



Quoting RCS763AV (Reply 23):
How much people from Cali are using the flight? I have heard that more than half the pax originate in Bogota.

I have yet to calculate the figures for August an September, but between January and July, the figure for travellers on the MAD-CLO-BOG terminating in BOG was around 22%. So CLO is definitely an important bet for AV, and hence the reason that that flight is increasing in frequencies. If CLO was not so strong, AV could have tried new flights stopping in MDE or CTG, instead.


25 LVZXV : Hold your horses everyone! The Grupo Marsans (A7's owner) is a BIG financial mess. Chilean subsidiary will most likely be closed in the coming month,
26 Summa767 : Gatovolador has said in this thread that the return of NM's A330s are part of a plan, and that they will go to Air Europa. And as to the A310s, it do
27 LVZXV : Efficient or inefficient aircraft are not the problem. If A7 do go down, it will be for other reasons--reasons which in most of Europe at least might
28 757MDE : and those reasons being?
29 Clo1973 : Where did you get that info from?..it is not easy to infer from Aerocivil figures...
30 Summa767 : I was only able to calculate it one way: Aena discriminate passengers bound to CLO (but not so on the arrivals, where it assumes all originate in BOG
31 Clo1973 : Yes, it is a good thinking and gives you a good idea. What I do is match Aerocali´s figures with Aerocivil´s (Offer & Demmand)...which for 2007 tur
32 Summa767 : Your method sounds good, and it includes passengers in both directions. Are AeroCali's statistics available online? I did the calculation for August,
33 Clo1973 : No, the way I got them was asking for them to Aerocali and they were kind enough to send it..
34 Summa767 : For August I have: 6178 pax between CLO and MAD. Of these 2987 travelling MAD bound,a nd 3191 Colombia bound (on AV15). Out of the 3191 Colombia bound
35 Jfk777 : How about BAQ to Madrid, why does CLO deserve service to Madrid ?
36 Legacy135 : Actually a quad is always superior to a twin when it comes to "OEI" (One Engine Inoperative) situations. So even when the A340 is everything else tha
37 Summa767 : Thanks for the clarification. Actually, I meant to say that I thought that the new A332s that Air Comet is incorporating into the fleet would have lon
38 Legacy135 : Well, to comment on this I am not having the knowledge on the individual types. Someone flying them both would be the best address here. I always hea
39 Avianca : unfavourable conditions over the atlantic and high cargo loads - its flowers time... nearly all Avianca flights ex Bog are overbooked with flowers...
40 Post contains links Summa767 : Perhaps Air Comet can carry some flowers from MDE to MAD too, as it seems that flights are confirmed to operate Wednesdays and Fridays (return Thursda
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