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User currently offlineFlyDeltaJets From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 1865 posts, RR: 2
Posted (5 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 4039 times:
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From an internal memo:

Any blocking will be limited in scope and would be for sites that a majority of our customers would question are appropriate to be viewed on our aircraft," said Chris Babb, manager-Global Product Development. "Our focus is to achieve a balanced approach to providing entertainment onboard while blocking content that most, if not all, of our customers would find inappropriate.

Do you guys think that this will be received well? According to the same memo AA will be following suit.


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User currently offlineAA737-823 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 5766 posts, RR: 11
Reply 1, posted (5 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 3960 times:

Good.
AA would be well-advised to do the same thing.
And don't give me the free-speech crap, either.
Doing pornography on an airplane is NOT freely speaking.
And, it's encroaching on MY right to the pursuit of happiness.
Not to mention the hypothetical three year old sitting in the chair next to us.


User currently offlineMyt332 From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2003, 9112 posts, RR: 70
Reply 2, posted (5 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 3947 times:



Quoting AA737-823 (Reply 1):
Good.
AA would be well-advised to do the same thing.
And don't give me the free-speech crap, either.
Doing pornography on an airplane is NOT freely speaking.
And, it's encroaching on MY right to the pursuit of happiness.
Not to mention the hypothetical three year old sitting in the chair next to us.

I can always just play the porn that I keep on my laptop you know? People that are inclinded to watch porn online also download it and keep it. God bless Divx.

Oh and Flitered?



One Life, Live it.
User currently offlinePGNCS From United States of America, joined Apr 2007, 2821 posts, RR: 45
Reply 3, posted (5 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 3909 times:



Quoting Myt332 (Reply 2):
I can always just play the porn that I keep on my laptop you know? People that are inclinded to watch porn online also download it and keep it. God bless Divx.

What you have on your hard drive is beyond the airline's control; what they allow their system to search isn't. You can still be asked to turn your porn off, and on my carrier you will be.


User currently offlineAABB777 From United States of America, joined Oct 2007, 532 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (5 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 3908 times:
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Quoting AA737-823 (Reply 1):
AA would be well-advised to do the same thing.

AA is filtering their wifi access:

FORT WORTH, Texas, Oct. 7 /PRNewswire-FirstCall/ -- Based on the feedback of our customers and employees, American Airlines is working with Aircell(R) to implement technology to filter pornographic content over the Gogo(R) inflight Internet service.

Since the launch of Gogo, American has not experienced any reported incidents of customers viewing inappropriate content via the Gogo service. However, we believe this is an appropriate measure to take.

More details will be forthcoming as the company finalizes its plans.


User currently offlineBurnsie28 From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 7536 posts, RR: 8
Reply 5, posted (5 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 3869 times:

Our K-12 schools also have filters like this, however, the still block some appropriate websites that don't have anything to do with porn. Everynow and then they for some reason block things like CNN and the likes.


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User currently offlineSeaBosDca From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 5379 posts, RR: 4
Reply 6, posted (5 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 3860 times:

The airlines have to do this for PR purposes -- especially airlines such as AA and DL, which are based in jurisdictions with very high concentrations of crusading religious moralists -- but it has absolutely no effect. It's simply technically impossible to block all of the millions of porn sites out there. Unfortunately, any filter will also block plenty of non-offensive sites, but I'm much less concerned about that on a privately owned airplane than I would be if it were a public library doing the filtering.

But anyone who can't even wait until they are in a private environment to view their porn really needs some help.


User currently offlineJcavinato From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 520 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (5 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 3848 times:

This is not a promotion. But, the thing I'm looking forward to is using AirNav on my computer to not only see the plane I'm on but also ones around it. Too, in detail you can see all the airports nearby (including very small private ones).

User currently offlineMyt332 From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2003, 9112 posts, RR: 70
Reply 8, posted (5 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 3817 times:



Quoting PGNCS (Reply 3):
You can still be asked to turn your porn off, and on my carrier you will be.

Exactly. That is my point.



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User currently offlineNycbjr From United States of America, joined exactly 7 years ago today! , 447 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (5 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 3782 times:

I posted a link about this last week in the other wifi thread. I think this is a good thing. I work for the New York Public library and we put filters on content on our wifi network and children's rooms, why not on an airplane that's a "public" place?

spoke to a AA flight attendant friend last night who is also relieved that they won't have to "police" people.

cheers


User currently offlineDeltaGuy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (5 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 3680 times:

Let's hope they don't block facebook and myspace- sometimes those sites have some good stuff on them! Big grin

DeltaGuy


User currently offlineNWADC9 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 4896 posts, RR: 10
Reply 11, posted (5 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 3660 times:



Quoting AA737-823 (Reply 1):
Good.
AA would be well-advised to do the same thing.
And don't give me the free-speech crap, either.
Doing pornography on an airplane is NOT freely speaking.
And, it's encroaching on MY right to the pursuit of happiness.
Not to mention the hypothetical three year old sitting in the chair next to us.

Amen!

People have to use common sense when they're in a public place. Would you want your kids seeing dirty pictures and content? I sure don't. You have to respect others' views and beliefs. Free speech in the First Amendment is regarding the freedom to criticize the government - not look at naked girls wherever and whenever you like.



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User currently offlineWorldTraveler From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (5 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 3624 times:

It's not just about kids.

Some of us don't want to live other people's lives with them. There are certain boundaries about what civilized people do in public. The cell phone has pushed that limit a great deal. People do not want to share someone's life in a public space, including their sex life.


It's nice to use the children as an excuse but the overwhelming number of adults would support limiting content as well, including VOIP.


User currently offlineTPAPDX From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 87 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (5 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 3597 times:

Technically speaking, your right to "freedom of speach" and "freedom of expression" vanishes the moment you step onto private property, ie: commercial aircraft, or for that matter my driveway, or office.

I certainly would support some sort of filter or "Net Nanny" style software for inflight use. I'm all for my and everyone's personal rights, but a private business has the right to set limits on its provided products and services as it sees fit.


User currently offlineAA737-823 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 5766 posts, RR: 11
Reply 14, posted (5 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 3418 times:



Quoting WorldTraveler (Reply 12):
Some of us don't want to live other people's lives with them. There are certain boundaries about what civilized people do in public. The cell phone has pushed that limit a great deal. People do not want to share someone's life in a public space, including their sex life.

NO KIDDING!!! WHO WOULD HAVE THOUGHT?!?!?
How dare I not support someone next to me getting their rocks off!

Quoting SeaBosDca (Reply 6):
which are based in jurisdictions with very high concentrations of crusading religious moralists

Oh give me a break. It's not just us "crusading religious moralists" that DON'T want to watch you pleasure yourself. I seriously doubt you'd like to sit next to a 60-year old businessman who was watching porn, on the net OR on his laptop computer.
Sounds like you're on a crusade yourself... against religious moralists.


User currently offlineWorldTraveler From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (5 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 3298 times:



Quoting AA737-823 (Reply 14):
Sounds like you're on a crusade yourself... against religious moralists.

whether you view it as religious or not is not the issue. The morals espoused by the great religions of the world are morals that the vast majority of the people, religious or not, find to be exemplary.

There really is not a majority of the population that participates in pornography.


User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 19505 posts, RR: 58
Reply 16, posted (5 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 3291 times:



Quoting AA737-823 (Reply 14):
How dare I not support someone next to me getting their rocks off!

Depends on how attractive...  duck 

Interesting thing that I was quoted in a lecture about a year ago on medical informatics.

At a "low" privacy setting, a major porn-blocking software suite blocked 87% of pornographic sites and 3% of legitimate medical sites. At a "high" setting, this same software blocked 93% of pornographic sites and about 27% of legit medical sites.

There is a point of diminishing returns. I hope they use the "low" setting.


User currently offlineSeaBosDca From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 5379 posts, RR: 4
Reply 17, posted (5 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 3228 times:



Quoting AA737-823 (Reply 14):
Oh give me a break. It's not just us "crusading religious moralists" that DON'T want to watch you pleasure yourself.

That's not the point. The point is that filtering software won't prevent such behavior one bit, if someone is determined to engage in it.  yuck  All filtering is is an empty gesture that gives good PR because it fools ignorant people.

DL and AA need such PR more than other airlines, because of where they are located.

Quoting AA737-823 (Reply 14):
Sounds like you're on a crusade yourself... against religious moralists.

I wouldn't call it a "crusade"...  Wink and I won't go any farther offtopic... but I do think they are a profoundly destructive force.


User currently offlineSLCUT2777 From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 4049 posts, RR: 11
Reply 18, posted (5 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 3189 times:



Quoting AA737-823 (Reply 1):
And don't give me the free-speech crap, either.
Doing pornography on an airplane is NOT freely speaking.
And, it's encroaching on MY right to the pursuit of happiness.
Not to mention the hypothetical three year old sitting in the chair next to us.

 checkmark  I think airliners where people are sitting in such close proximity should be porn-free zones. I can't view porn or objectionable sites on a government computer being employed by the U.S. Federal Government and I don't consider it to be infringing on my free speech or expression. Anyone who feels otherwise and sues DL or AA will lose in court and be laughed back out onto the street!

Quoting AA737-823 (Reply 14):
Sounds like you're on a crusade yourself... against religious moralists.

 checkmark  The religion of the secular-humanists?

Quoting SeaBosDca (Reply 6):
But anyone who can't even wait until they are in a private environment to view their porn really needs some help.

Some major psychiatric counseling obviously!  razz 

Quoting SeaBosDca (Reply 17):
DL and AA need such PR more than other airlines, because of where they are located.

DFW, ATL & SLC might have strong religious populations with many Baptists, Pentecostals and Mormons who all despise porn, but I highly doubt that is the biggest reason DL and AA have this policy of filtering objectionable sites.



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User currently offlineSeaBosDca From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 5379 posts, RR: 4
Reply 19, posted (5 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 3175 times:



Quoting SLCUT2777 (Reply 18):
I think airliners where people are sitting in such close proximity should be porn-free zones.

I agree completely. The point I'm making is that filtering does nothing to achieve that goal.


User currently offlineSLCUT2777 From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 4049 posts, RR: 11
Reply 20, posted (5 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 3153 times:



Quoting SeaBosDca (Reply 19):
The point I'm making is that filtering does nothing to achieve that goal.

Filters can only do so much, the rest will have to be monitored by the DL and AA information technology people and the service IT people. If you hit a prohibited site by accident in my office you receive the USDA policy page letting you know you're in violation of computer security rules, and it goes beyond the traditional filtering. LDS Church owned Brigham Young University has a great additional filter of objectionable sites that the traditional filters can't get to as easily. I don't doubt that DL and AA might be willing to throw in a few $$$ to BYU to put further breaks on the on-board porn addicts!



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User currently offlineJet13 From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 111 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (5 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 2954 times:

One thought. What if they use proxy sites to get the porn? Will proxy sites be blocked aswell?

-Jet13



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User currently offlineFlyDeltaJets From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 1865 posts, RR: 2
Reply 22, posted (5 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 2505 times:
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OK, c'mon people if we can contain out nicottine addiction during flight why cant we curb that same addiction to pornography. If this is the only defense against blocking internet then i see why it is needed.


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User currently offlineLuv2cattlecall From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 1650 posts, RR: 2
Reply 23, posted (5 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 2483 times:
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Quoting SeaBosDca (Reply 6):
. It's simply technically impossible to block all of the millions of porn sites out there

Exactly...Google Image Search comes to mind....

Quoting Jcavinato (Reply 7):
This is not a promotion. But, the thing I'm looking forward to is using AirNav on my computer to not only see the plane I'm on but also ones around it. Too, in detail you can see all the airports nearby (including very small private ones).

And LiveATC for a DIY Channel 9 of sorts! Hopefully it won't make anyone get suspicious...I could see that becoming an issue



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User currently offlineJohningrr From United States of America, joined Sep 2008, 19 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (5 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 2318 times:

I believe that there is a legal liability issue here as well, which would concern what kind of porn is being viewed online (ie: child porn, etc.). I'm not 100% sure, but you can't constantly police an entire flight of people for what they are viewing, and I "think" that since DL or AA is paying for the internet service, they too, can in some way be held liable to a degree.

I would "assume" this would be a high priority than issues surrounding morality, religious beliefs, etc. I know I wouldn't want to be brought into legal action due to being someone "supplying" an internet connection to an individual partaking in illegal activities.


25 XJETFlyer : Why does every thing have to be so frigging difficult. The internet is being offered as a business tool for the most part. If you don't like the block
26 GBan : Another reason why the filtering is completely useless. The filtering will not prevent anyone watching porn. If a guy does want to watch porn, he wil
27 DocLightning : I've said it before and I'll say it again: Why would you want porn when you have A.net?
28 IndyWA : AMEN
29 Jet13 : Okay, First of all, I'm just saying, I'm not saying all of these cause so they can find some way to get to their point where they want to be...Just so
30 FXramper : I hope DL gets sued over some whale on a flight that pays thousands annually that can't look at a porn site on a long haul.
31 NorthstarBoy : Why do i also suspect that the level of filtration will also depend on class of service, as in the wifi in J class will be less filtered than the wifi
32 Jetdeltamsy : Yes. Absolutely. Airlines like to consider themselves "family" oriented businesses and porn has no place in a family environment.
33 SFOnative : Working in the technology world myself, I can agree that it is impossible to completely filter the internet. Should the airlines attempt to?....Absolu
34 DocLightning : A.net is! And I agree. If you don't like the filtering, then don't purchase the service.
35 CrimsonNL : When will WiFi be available on DL? I'll be flying them next february, would be nice if they have it by then. As for the porn issue, I think its probab
36 GBan : Do they list the websites / services / protocols that are not accessible?
37 B6MoneyGuyJFK : "Will that be a pornography of non-pornography seat?" "Sorry, hard core's all full up this flight.. but I still have a couple of open seats in soft-po
38 AFKL : This makes me happy. Consider the airline doing you a favour for not letting you being publicly humiliated on board one of their aircraft! (Or at leas
39 AFKL : And all I wanted was a window seat...
40 DocLightning : That's it! Get over here and clean up all the soda you just made me spray all over my monitor!
41 CAETravlr : I agree that the filtering thing is probably more of a liability issue than anything else. If someone really wants to see porn inf light they will. Ho
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