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DTW Smith Terminal Forced To Remain Open  
User currently offlineDtwclipper From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 6241 times:

Sounds echo in the cavernous hall where passengers once bustled through Metro Airport's Smith Terminal. Once the new North Terminal opened, everyone moved out except the Wayne County Airport Authority, whose offices still overlook the eerily empty hall.

The tenants may be gone, but the lights aren't off. Until money is budgeted for demolition and a new home found for the airport authority employees, the Smith Terminal still needs heat, air conditioning, maintenance and plumbing.

It's still costing the authority money -- utility costs are estimated to top $4 million annually. The authority still occupies fewer than 100,000 square feet of the Smith's 283,274 square-foot ticket hall and baggage areas. There's no room in the McNamara or North terminals for the authority's operations.
http://www.freep.com/article/20081009/BUSINESS05/810090386


So, who's the yutz who forgot to build space for the Wayne County Airport Aurthority?

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User currently offlineJfk777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 8451 posts, RR: 7
Reply 1, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 6168 times:
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Why can't the airport authority lease commercial office space in Detroit of which there is no shortage. Detroit has had such a recession due to the auto industry the airport authority shuld have its pick at very attractive prices.

User currently offlineWA707atMSP From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 2254 posts, RR: 8
Reply 2, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 6110 times:

Thank you for the article!

Quoting Dtwclipper (Thread starter):
So, who's the yutz who forgot to build space for the Wayne County Airport Aurthority?

The list is long and distinguished, I'm sure.

Given that it took 21 years from 1945, when it became apparent that DET needed to be replaced as the Detroit area's main airport, until 1966, when the last airlines finally moved from YIP to DTW, I would not be surprised if the Smith Terminal is still standing five years from now, while arguments rage on about where the Wayne County Airport Authority should relocate to.

Has anyone heard more information about when the Berry Terminal (a.k.a. "The White Mausoleum") will be demolished?



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User currently offlineTOLtommy From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 3304 posts, RR: 5
Reply 3, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 6081 times:



Quoting Dtwclipper (Thread starter):

So, who's the yutz who forgot to build space for the Wayne County Airport Aurthority?

I couldn't believe it either when I heard this a few months ago. Rent some trailers, put 'em in the parking lot at the Berry, and doze the Smith! Good Lord, the cost savings ALONE could pay for new digs.

I love Detroit, but some times I just shake my head.....


User currently offlineDtwclipper From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 6067 times:



Quoting WA707atMSP (Reply 2):
Has anyone heard more information about when the Berry Terminal (a.k.a. "The White Mausoleum") will be demolished?

I haven't seen anything on that yet, but I hope it is soon.

Quoting WA707atMSP (Reply 2):
The list is long and distinguished, I'm sure.



Quoting Jfk777 (Reply 1):
Why can't the airport authority lease commercial office space in Detroit of which there is no shortage. Detroit has had such a recession due to the auto industry the airport authority shuld have its pick at very attractive prices.

I'm sure the Authority wants to be on site, but do they have to be located at the airport? I agree that there is a glut of office space in the area, and a move to a more modern office building would benefit everyone...right?


User currently offlineTOLtommy From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 3304 posts, RR: 5
Reply 5, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 6054 times:



Quoting Dtwclipper (Reply 4):

I'm sure the Authority wants to be on site, but do they have to be located at the airport?

The badging office needs to be on site, there are certain other functions that need to be as well. But I agree that some of it could be moved off site.


User currently offlineAAH732UAL From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 6018 times:

Well they keep Smith open all day anyway so I guess there is no big difference. I was just in the North Terminal and can say this.......... give it about a year and there will be plenty of room for one reason. TO many restaurants. So when a few close, they will have space IMHO.

What they also need to do is create over-night remote parking like McNamara has, that way my buddy Smith can finally end its career  crying  that way they won't have to park planes over at Smith anymore.

Its a great terminal but there are a few blunders that have popped up right away.


User currently offlineUSPIT10L From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 3295 posts, RR: 7
Reply 7, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 6018 times:



Quoting Dtwclipper (Thread starter):

The old terminal at PIT stood for almost eight years after the midfield terminal opened. They were trying to make a museum out of the building. Sometimes these things just take time.  Wink



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User currently offlineJosh32121 From United States of America, joined Apr 2008, 369 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 5953 times:



Quoting USPIT10L (Reply 7):
The old terminal at PIT stood for almost eight years after the midfield terminal opened. They were trying to make a museum out of the building. Sometimes these things just take time.

But surely they didn't keep the utilities on for eight years for the entire terminal, did they? I find it hard to believe they have to keep the entire terminal heated, cooled, lit, and powered when less than half of the square footage of the building is occupied.


User currently offlineElBandGeek From United States of America, joined Jun 2008, 759 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 5806 times:



Quoting WA707atMSP (Reply 2):

Has anyone heard more information about when the Berry Terminal (a.k.a. "The White Mausoleum") will be demolished?

IIRC They need to tear down Smith's C and finish the international gates first. I think sometime next spring


User currently offlineSlider From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 6912 posts, RR: 34
Reply 10, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 5771 times:



Quoting Dtwclipper (Thread starter):
So, who's the yutz who forgot to build space for the Wayne County Airport Aurthority?

Probably the Wayne County Airport Authority.

Wow, incompetence in DTW politics and government. I'm shocked. Shocked, I say.





Yawn.


User currently offlineDtwclipper From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 5709 times:



Quoting AAH732UAL (Reply 6):
that way they won't have to park planes over at Smith anymore.

I was wondering why I saw some US Airways planes parked at the Smith the other day. I suspect that issue will be resolved when they remove the remnants of the 'C' concourse and finish the other gates.


User currently offlineAAH732UAL From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 5647 times:



Quoting Dtwclipper (Reply 11):
I was wondering why I saw some US Airways planes parked at the Smith the other day. I suspect that issue will be resolved when they remove the remnants of the 'C' concourse and finish the other gates.

Yeah and UA is really asking for a 3rd gate as well, so will see.


User currently offlinePITops From United States of America, joined May 2007, 1442 posts, RR: 4
Reply 13, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 5551 times:

It's wierd they wouldn't build new offices in one of the new terminals. Why didn't they think of that?


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User currently offlineAAflyguy From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 362 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 5426 times:

There was definitely a study done to determine where to locate the WCAA's new offices. Due to budget constraints, there was no opportunity for sufficient space to be included in the North Terminal Project's footprint (aside from the future badging office and some airport operations offices). Very unfortunate, but it was not overlooked, as some here question. I believe the airport authority has been trying to move forward with a new building for a while now, and each time, NWA knocks it back. So, in some way, NWA plays a role in this one, and is ever-critical no matter what when it comes to the future home of WCAA staff. Huge number given for operating costs at the Smith Terminal. WOW! I'm sure offices can be rented somewhere in Dearborn, but there is something to be said for an airport's administration to be located AT the airport. I don't think anyone in the business of managing an airport would willingly consider moving the lion's share of staff to a location miles away from the primary place of business. At some point, it becomes a very ineffective and inefficient way to operate. Just my opinion.

User currently offlineJetBlueGuy2006 From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 1662 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 5397 times:



Quoting AAH732UAL (Reply 12):
UA is really asking for a 3rd gate as well, so will see

Really, what is the up-to-date gate situation in the North Terminal?



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User currently offlineAAH732UAL From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 5359 times:



Quoting JetBlueGuy2006 (Reply 15):
Really, what is the up-to-date gate situation in the North Terminal?

D4 and D6 are the only UA gates at DTW right now. They may get D2 or D3 I guess since they are right next to D4, when they open but for now that entire area (along with D1a and D1b) is the Lufthansa Lounge and Smith C concourse.


User currently onlinePSU.DTW.SCE From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 7696 posts, RR: 27
Reply 17, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 4814 times:



Quoting Dtwclipper (Reply 11):

Quoting AAH732UAL (Reply 6):
that way they won't have to park planes over at Smith anymore.

I was wondering why I saw some US Airways planes parked at the Smith the other day. I suspect that issue will be resolved when they remove the remnants of the 'C' concourse and finish the other gates.

I wondered about that, it seemed odd to keep seeing a US Airbus parked over at their old A gates in the Smith after the North opened.

Just build the frickin' business case and do the math. Compare the cost of keeping the Smith open for the airport offices vs. the cost of building a new building on airport property. The building should pay for itself easily within 5 years. It only makes sense at this point.


User currently offlineWA707atMSP From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 2254 posts, RR: 8
Reply 18, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 3647 times:



Quoting PSU.DTW.SCE (Reply 17):
It only makes sense at this point.

Sadly, common sense is in desperately short supply among government officials in southeast Michigan these days......



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User currently offlineAAflyguy From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 362 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 3617 times:

The need for RON space will not be solved when the south end gates at North Terminal are available next spring/summer. There are far more aircraft overnighting than there are gates, so those extra planes will continue to park on the ramp at Berry or between Conc A & B at Smith. It doesn't surprise me that UA is interested in a 3rd gate, because otherwise they will be using one of the Airport's gates so frequently that it will probably be more cost effective to have another preferential gate so it is theirs when needed vs being at the mercy of the airport to have a gate available.

User currently offlineNASCARAirforce From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3184 posts, RR: 4
Reply 20, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 3452 times:



Quoting Dtwclipper (Thread starter):
So, who's the yutz who forgot to build space for the Wayne County Airport Aurthority?

Probably the same guy who designed the original Concourse C in the Midfield Terminal and built it only to have to tear it down and rebuild it again 2 years later.


User currently offlineKarlB737 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 3130 posts, RR: 10
Reply 21, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 3236 times:

Isn't there another component at work here regarding the future of the Smith Terminal. I thought Hollywood wanted it.

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