LAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 22023 posts, RR: 51 Posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 3114 times:
Quote: Virgin America Expands New York-Las Vegas Route
Airline Adds Daily Direct Flight On the High-Demand Travel Route
SAN FRANCISCO, Oct. 9, 2008 (GLOBE NEWSWIRE) -- Virgin America, the California-based airline on a mission to make flying good again, today announced it will add another daily non-stop flight between New York's John F. Kennedy International (JFK) and Las Vegas McCarran International (LAS) airports. Effective Dec. 11, 2008, Virgin America will have two daily flights* on this busy travel route.
Aviators99 From United States of America, joined exactly 5 years ago today! , 434 posts, RR: 0 Reply 1, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 3006 times:
Yields must be pretty good for them to do this, no?
Lambert747 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 2, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 2967 times:
Quoting Aviators99 (Reply 1): Yields must be pretty good for them to do this, no?
Surprised to see an additional LAS-JFK frequency. Would have thought we would see either SAN-JFK, or an additional LAX or SFO-JFK before LAS saw a second service. Perhaps VX is able or has been able to erode the B6 market share.
SWASFLA From United States of America, joined Aug 2008, 79 posts, RR: 0 Reply 3, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 2852 times:
Quoting Lambert747 (Reply 2): Perhaps VX is able or has been able to erode the B6 market share.
Petteri From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 256 posts, RR: 0 Reply 4, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 2843 times:
Quoting Aviators99 (Reply 1): Yields must be pretty good for them to do this, no?
All is relative. The yield may be better (although still low) compared to what the plane may have been doing instead of this route.
I'm not at all familiar with VX, is this coming at the expense of another route or is this coming from spare capacity?
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LAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 22023 posts, RR: 51 Reply 5, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 2830 times:
Things must be looking good on the route as it only started on September 4th if VX feels it warrants a 2nd flight already.
good for them!
From the desert to the sea, to all of Southern California
SWASFLA From United States of America, joined Aug 2008, 79 posts, RR: 0 Reply 7, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 2776 times:
I think it's more of VX having to put an A/C somewhere. They don't fly to many cities so they might as well put it on that route.
Wedgetail737 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5524 posts, RR: 5 Reply 8, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 2766 times:
Fuel prices continue to slide (along with the stock market), so it may slowly become more feasible to fly transcon with narrowbody airplanes now.
Aviators99 From United States of America, joined exactly 5 years ago today! , 434 posts, RR: 0 Reply 9, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 2759 times:
Quoting SWASFLA (Reply 7): I think it's more of VX having to put an A/C somewhere. They don't fly to many cities so they might as well put it on that route.
I don't understand this. If it weren't profitable, wouldn't it be better to park the plane or lease it?
Jalflyer From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 9 posts, RR: 0 Reply 10, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 2751 times:
im flying them on the 26th of november and the 30th and both days seem pretty empty to me and thats the thanksgiving holiday!
Petteri From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 256 posts, RR: 0 Reply 11, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 2730 times:
Quoting Aviators99 (Reply 9): I don't understand this. If it weren't profitable, wouldn't it be better to park the plane or lease it?
He's not saying it isn't profitable, just more profitable than just sitting there or running another route. With the recent drop in fuel prices, some routes may be making a comeback or get expanded. If the economy as a whole just doesn't tank completely.
The above comments are my personal comments and in no way should be viewed as the views,policy or statements of JetBlue
SANFan From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 4716 posts, RR: 15 Reply 12, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 2640 times:
Quoting Petteri (Reply 4): The yield may be better (although still low) compared to what the plane may have been doing instead of this route.
Like parked on the tarmac at SFO!
I commented a day or so on the other VX thread that I thought they would be better off getting a/c in the air, even at break-even yields (or even losing money) rather than leasing the planes out or parking them. I was envisioning short- or medium-length routes but, as has been stated, oil prices are declining (along with everything else); the environment continues to change and maybe long-hauls are again looking profitable.
Quoting Lambert747 (Reply 2): Would have thought we would see either SAN-JFK, or an additional LAX or SFO-JFK before LAS saw a second service.
Ummm... [bites tongue.] Absolutely (and amazingly) no comment!
Iowaman From United States of America, joined exactly 9 years ago today! , 4085 posts, RR: 7 Reply 13, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 2569 times:
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With fuel dropping down to the $80-$85 range today, a few transcons may be coming back. With lower fuel costs and a great way to utilize a plane at night (which I bet does well loadwise) this should be a decent winner.
Aviators99 From United States of America, joined exactly 5 years ago today! , 434 posts, RR: 0 Reply 14, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 2551 times:
Quoting Petteri (Reply 11): He's not saying it isn't profitable, just more profitable than just sitting there or running another route. With the recent drop in fuel prices, some routes may be making a comeback or get expanded. If the economy as a whole just doesn't tank completely.
This is the first time anyone on this forum has suggested a VX route could be profitable.
TOLtommy From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 3219 posts, RR: 4 Reply 15, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 2505 times:
Might have to do with positioning as well. They are doing some flying for Direct Air, may need to get the plane in rotation for certain mx checks.
LACA773 From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 3744 posts, RR: 2 Reply 16, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 2472 times:
Congratulations to VX. I hope the additional frequency works out well for them.
EK345 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 162 posts, RR: 0 Reply 17, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 2454 times:
Quoting SWASFLA (Reply 3): Quoting Lambert747 (Reply 2):
Perhaps VX is able or has been able to erode the B6 market share.
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LOL. I doubt that.
I agree. The market share must have come from one of the other "network" carriers operating the route. Good job to VX and I hope they continue to grow and bring more of their great service to other cities soon!
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