LAxintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 22041 posts, RR: 51 Reply 1, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 2516 times:
The 747SP's were gone by December 1987. The Pan Am - United Pacifc division sale took place in late 2005.
From the desert to the sea, to all of Southern California
71Zulu From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 2736 posts, RR: 0 Reply 2, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 2461 times:
Quoting LAxintl (Reply 1): The 747SP's were gone by December 1987.
Agree. Pan Am 747 fleet in 1987 was 741 (36) and 742 (7).
Quoting LAxintl (Reply 1): The Pan Am - United Pacifc division sale took place in late 2005.
But there are several later photos of PA 747s at ZRH so it looks like the switch from 747 to A310 on the JFK-ZRH route may have been temporary, or possibly seasonal.
Panamair From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 4584 posts, RR: 26 Reply 6, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 1877 times:
Quoting FlySwiss (Reply 4): When did Pan Am switched from B741 to A310. If I am remember right it was in the late 80's
The first switch to a regular A310 on JFK-ZRH was in 1989 (can't remember if it was in the summer or winter - the Winter 1989/90 schedule shows it as an A310). However, it went back to a 747 in the spring/summer of 1990. Summer of 1991 was back to an A310 all the way until the DL route acquisition in November 1991.
When Pan Am started nonstop JFK-ZRH service in the mid-80s, they also had 727 feeder routes out of ZRH to STR/TXL, as well as GVA/IST. In addition, they also had standalone ZRH-TXL 727 flights as part of their TXL IGS operation. For a brief period, they also had the Yugoslavia flights to ZAG/BEG/DBV routed through a combination of ZRH and MUC (instead of FRA).
By the late '80s, besides ZRH-TXL (served with a combination of 727 and ATR), they only kept the ZRH-STR-TXL tag-on from the transatlantic JFK-ZRH. GVA was switced over to CDG.
L1011Lover From Germany, joined Oct 2003, 971 posts, RR: 15 Reply 7, posted (4 years 7 months 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 1494 times:
I just looked up flight number(s) PA90/PA91 in Pan Am's timetable effective January 18, 1988 and it shows the JFK-ZRH-JFK portion of the flight as a 747.
Can you believe that they actually served a Continental Breakfast on the STR-ZRH portion of the flight, which was 40 minutes in duration!!! Amazing!!!
By the way, I love Pan Am's (and also TWA's and other US carriers) flight numbering system. With multi sector flights across the continent or even internationally and around the globe. That's so unique to US carriers. Especially PA and TW back in the days.
San Diego-Los Angeles, 737, 0:35, 116, X
Los Angeles-New York, 747, 5:09, 2461, L, T, J
New York-Zurich, 747, 7:15, 3926, D, CB, T, $, J
Zurich-Stuttgart, 727, 0:35, 91, SC, F
Stuttgart-Berlin, 727, 1:05, 320, LC/X, F
PA91
Berlin-Stuttgart, 727, 1:10, 320, BC/SC, F
Stuttgart-Zurich, 727, 0:40, 91, CB, F
Zurich-New York, 747, 8:40, 3926, L,SC, T, $, J
New York-Los Angeles, 747, 5:58, 2461, D, T, J
X = Beverages
L = Lunch
D = Dinner
CB = Continental Breakfast
SC = Cold Snack
LC = Cold Lunch
BC = Cold Breakfast
T = Movie Plus Video Feature, and Audio
$ = Inflight Duty Free Sales Available
J = Flights also offering Clipper Class
F = Flights offering Clipper/Business Class and Coach/Economy only
Two meal codes seperated by a slash (/) indicate the first applies to First (or Clipper) Class and thesecond to Coach/Economy Class.
Acabgd From Serbia, joined Jul 2005, 625 posts, RR: 0 Reply 8, posted (4 years 7 months 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 1267 times:
Quoting L1011Lover (Reply 7): I just looked up flight number(s) PA90/PA91 in Pan Am's timetable effective January 18, 1988 and it shows the JFK-ZRH-JFK portion of the flight as a 747.
Thanks a lot for the update and yes, I remember the service on ZRH-JFK to be fantastic.
Ah, the good old days of international air travel...
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