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Bacf Fleet Renewal Decision By Late NOV  
User currently offlineBALHRWWCC From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (5 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 2618 times:

BA's fully owned subsidiary airline BA Cityflyer is expected to announce in the next four to five weeks the findings of there renewal review. In a BACF communication to all his employees the BACF boss Peter Simpson wrote:

"Notwithstanding the current severe economic position, evaluations continue with the potential BAe RJ fleet extension or fleet renewal options available to us. I do understand that rumours on this are abound, but I can tell you that no decision has yet been made. I expect that a decision ans approval will be forthcoming in approximately the next six weeks".

BACF based in EDI currently operate a fleet of 2 x RJ85's,10 x RJ100's and 2 x BAe146 aircraft leased from Flightline. They operate services from it's LCY hub to EDI, GLA, DUB, AMS, FRA, ZRH, BCN, MAD, NCE and WAW. They will also in December lauch seasonal ski services to GVA 5 x weekly and LYS 2 x weekly. Which will operate until the 28th March 2009.

They have just taken on a engineering hanger at EDI to help improve the aircraft reliability.

There has been many rumours about this renewal in the past. With the current economic problems BA might not want to splash out on new aircraft. So they may try to source more RJ85 aircraft instead. If the decision is taken to replace the fleet.The front runner to replace the RJ's if it goes ahead is a mix of Embraer 170 and 190 aircraft. In recent weeks and months representatives of Embraer where seen at BA HQ and BA managers where in Brazil visiting Embraer. It is thought BA want to expand the BACF fleet to ideally between 16 to18 aircraft. The order is believed to be likely to be made up of around 10 or 11 70 to 76 seater Embraer 170's and 6 to 7 Embraer 190's that will probably be configured to carry around 100 customers.

The 170 already has it's commercial jet steep approach certification. to enable it to operate into LCY and the 190 is expected to go for the same certification in December of this year. Further info available through link below

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0CWU/is_/ai_n27279246

However there has also been many whispers that they might replace the fleet with a fleet of 15 to 16 DH8-400 aircraft.

I guess we will find out soon enough

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User currently offlineKaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 12322 posts, RR: 35
Reply 1, posted (5 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 2456 times:

I hope they go for the Embraer; for one thing, it would greatly increase the attractiveness of the aircraft; sure, LCY is very convenient, but personally, the thought of flying on a 146/RJ85/RJ100 is a turn-off … sourcing new aircraft (and there'd be no shortage of airlines that would try to offload their aircraft) doesn't seem wise; ultimately, you're just putting off the date - to a time when a replacement acft would be more expensive. Sure, there is a downturn, but perhaps they can take advantage of this, a la FR, by forcing a better deal?

One question: does the 170's LCY certification include the 175, because the latter is actually a 170-200? Therefore, does the certification only relate to the 170-100?

Do any of current operators use Embraer 170s into LCY (or indeed, any jet apart from the RJ/146? Have KLM, Swiss or Lufty (via Cirrus) indicated an intention to do so?


User currently offlineMyt332 From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2003, 9112 posts, RR: 71
Reply 2, posted (5 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 2430 times:

Is the Yak 42 certified for LCY?


One Life, Live it.
User currently offlineCHRISBA777ER From UK - England, joined Mar 2001, 5964 posts, RR: 62
Reply 3, posted (5 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 2417 times:

I have my doubts about how useful the E170 would be from LCY as it will be very limited in terms of where it can go with a full payload from LCY.

A318s would be good.  Smile



What do you mean you dont have any bourbon? Do you know how far it is to Houston? What kind of airline is this???
User currently offlineVfw614 From Germany, joined Dec 2001, 3903 posts, RR: 5
Reply 4, posted (5 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 2275 times:



Quoting Kaitak (Reply 1):
Do any of current operators use Embraer 170s into LCY (or indeed, any jet apart from the RJ/146? Have KLM, Swiss or Lufty (via Cirrus) indicated an intention to do so?

To the best of my knowledge and contrary to what is being said, the Embraer 170 is not yet fully certified for LCY. Steep approach is one thing, and that applies to LCY as much as to any other airport requiring steep approaches. The other thing are special performance criteria relating to departures etc. that are unique to LCY and this cerfication I have seen nowhere so far.

Quoting Myt332 (Reply 2):
Is the Yak 42 certified for LCY?

No.

Quoting CHRISBA777ER (Reply 3):
I have my doubts about how useful the E170 would be from LCY as it will be very limited in terms of where it can go with a full payload from LCY.

Exactly my thoughts. Getting the aircraft in and out of LCY is one thing. The other is what useful load it can lift out of LCY over a certain distance. Although I think the E190 will be more limited in that regard as the E170.

I am surprised, by the way, that BACF is interested in such a large number of 76-seaters, given that they currently operate 110 seaters. Even if they cannot sell all the capacity of the Rj100s because of load penalties, I always thought that they routinely sell more than 75 or so seats on their RJ100s. Given the non-availability of additional slots at LCY, the airport owner certainly would be more enthusiastic if one of the biggest airlines would not replace a fleet of 110 seaters with a fleet of 76 seaters.


User currently offlineAirbusA6 From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2005, 2004 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (5 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 2196 times:



Quoting BALHRWWCC (Thread starter):
However there has also been many whispers that they might replace the fleet with a fleet of 15 to 16 DH8-400 aircraft.

Back to the future, seeing that the airport launched with Dash 7s!



it's the bus to stansted (now renamed national express a4 to ruin my username)
User currently offlineColumba From Germany, joined Dec 2004, 7027 posts, RR: 4
Reply 6, posted (5 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 2182 times:



Quoting AirbusA6 (Reply 5):
However there has also been many whispers that they might replace the fleet with a fleet of 15 to 16 DH8-400 aircraft.

Back to the future, seeing that the airport launched with Dash 7s!

Would be nice...........



It will forever be a McDonnell Douglas MD 80 , Boeing MD 80 sounds so wrong
User currently offlineKennyK From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2005, 482 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (5 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 2141 times:

LCY is a premium market mainly serving the city business community so the fuel efficiency of Q-400s is not so much an issue. My money would be on E170/190s, as for the lower seating capacity versus the RJ100s, are there as many rich bankers to move around at the moment?  stirthepot 

User currently offlineBALHRWWCC From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (5 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 1984 times:



Quoting CHRISBA777ER (Reply 3):
A318s would be good.

Would be but has already been totally ruled out for BACF


User currently offlineCrosswind From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2000, 2597 posts, RR: 58
Reply 9, posted (5 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 1963 times:
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Quoting Vfw614 (Reply 4):
Given the non-availability of additional slots at LCY, the airport owner certainly would be more enthusiastic if one of the biggest airlines would not replace a fleet of 110 seaters with a fleet of 76 seaters.

LCY have this week been granted permission to increase their annual movements from 80000 pa to 120000 pa - a lot of extra capacity is in theory available in the future. The recent apron expansion, and the opening of taxiway D has improved the airport's ability to handle higher volumes of traffic.

It was announced the same day as the Stansted capacity increase, so was eclipsed in the news by the other announcement.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/article4913099.ece

Regards
CROSSWIND


User currently offlineCabinboy From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2000, 189 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (5 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 1818 times:

im sure they could get their hands on plenty of those q400s pretty sharpish and for a very reasonable price plus they would look great in the ba colors..mind you warsaw and madrid might be a bit too far?? E190s would be nice too...any photoshop pics around??

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