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JetBlue Looks At New Caribbean / Latin Service  
User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 25183 posts, RR: 48
Posted (5 years 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 9811 times:

Considering how well JetBlue is received they should be able to expand their current relatively small Caribbean footprint quite a bit.

However, if any of these markets are for this year they better announce them soon!

Quote:
JetBlue Airways looking into potential new Caribbean service
October 9, 2008

NEW YORK, USA: US budget airline JetBlue Airways is currently conducting a feasibility study to examine potential destinations for new or increased air service in the Caribbean and Latin America.

The study is looking at 24 leisure destinations in the region, with JetBlue evaluating many factors such as existing traffic levels, future hotel development, airport rates and fees, slot availability and access to public and private sector partnerships.

Full story;
http://www.caribbeannetnews.com/news-11252--10-10--.html


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User currently offlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16862 posts, RR: 51
Reply 1, posted (5 years 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 9845 times:

From JFK, Florida or a combination of both?..


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User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8808 posts, RR: 5
Reply 2, posted (5 years 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 9812 times:
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Quoting STT757 (Reply 1):

From JFK they may possibly fly to UVF and BGI. Given their recent increase in flights to CUN, I am a bit surprised that they aren't expanding to MBJ.


User currently offline2travel2know From Panama, joined Apr 2005, 3580 posts, RR: 4
Reply 3, posted (5 years 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 9797 times:

My guess is service from MCO.


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User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 25183 posts, RR: 48
Reply 4, posted (5 years 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 9801 times:

I suspect they are looking at things from both JFK and FL.

From JFK they can hit all of the Caribbean beach and ethnic markets and from FLL/MCO they can easily reach into Northern portions of South American and all of Central America.

That is lots of territory and lots of potential markets.



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User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8808 posts, RR: 5
Reply 5, posted (5 years 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 9779 times:
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Quoting 2travel2know (Reply 3):

I think they will fly more international flights out of JFK, as for MCO they only fly to SDQ and CUN. They could have tried MCO-BOG but did not. They will fly to BGI and UVF out of JFK.


User currently offline2travel2know From Panama, joined Apr 2005, 3580 posts, RR: 4
Reply 6, posted (5 years 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 9782 times:

LGB doesn't have F.I.S. so B6 won't be going after the L.A. area - SAL/GUA ethnic market from there.


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User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8808 posts, RR: 5
Reply 7, posted (5 years 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 9770 times:
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Quoting LAXintl (Reply 4):

NK already beat them to it at FLL.


User currently offlineTCT From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 205 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (5 years 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 9720 times:

I think if they started flights to PUJ from JFK this would be a highly successful route, due to it being a very popular vacation destination year round for people from the NYC area.

User currently offlineBWIA 772 From Barbados, joined May 2002, 2200 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (5 years 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 9693 times:

Launching flights from JFK to the Caribbean would be great! I am sure that in these times the local tourism organizations would be working with B6 to get the additional airlift.

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User currently offlineViaggiare From Costa Rica, joined Jan 2007, 2120 posts, RR: 8
Reply 10, posted (5 years 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 9677 times:



Quoting 2travel2know (Reply 3):
My guess is service from MCO.

I see MCO-SJO on the horizon.



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User currently offlineClipper136 From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 318 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (5 years 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 9622 times:



Quoting SCL767 (Reply 5):
They could have tried MCO-BOG but did not.

They will beginning in January.

B6 has stated that they will expand to leisure Carib/Lat Am routes out of other focus cities like IAD and BOS (like they have done with CUN). B6 is actively looking to start service to at least 6 Carib/Lat Am routes from MCO and/or FLL in 09.


User currently offlineLambert747 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (5 years 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 9567 times:



Quoting 2travel2know (Reply 6):
LGB doesn't have F.I.S. so B6 won't be going after the L.A. area - SAL/GUA ethnic market from there

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If B6 wanted to get into international traffic from the So Cal region, they would not have left ONT. There is enough room to expand and there are F.I.S. facilites begging to be used at ONT. In fact, wasnt SU looking at ONT back in 1993?


User currently offlineViaggiare From Costa Rica, joined Jan 2007, 2120 posts, RR: 8
Reply 13, posted (5 years 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 9525 times:



Quoting Lambert747 (Reply 12):
There is enough room to expand and there are F.I.S. facilites begging to be used at ONT.

I've been to both LAX and SNA numerous times, but never to ONT. Wikipedia claims it has "relatively small customs facilities" but you're saying there's room to expand.



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User currently offlineLambert747 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (5 years 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 9508 times:



Quoting Viaggiare (Reply 13):
I've been to both LAX and SNA numerous times, but never to ONT. Wikipedia claims it has "relatively small customs facilities" but you're saying there's room to expand.

You raise a good question, as ONT has been one of the hardest hit airports in California this past year alone. If I can remember Expressjet yanked tis service, which at one time flew to 15 markets. Jet Blue pulled out on the ONT market. UA and AA both pulled additional ONT service in the past few years as well. There is room to grow. The other thing that I would mention is that while the use of airstairs is not so common in the US anymore, they could very well work at ONT. By far ONT is one of the easiest airports to use in California, a state with a number of very user friendly airports: SJC, SMF, PSP, ONT, SNA, BUR, LGB.


User currently offlineThirteenRight From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 340 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (5 years 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 9498 times:



Quoting SCL767 (Reply 5):
They could have tried MCO-BOG but did not.

Theyre hiring for the station (as per jetblue.com) so it seems as if BOG is coming online.


User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 25183 posts, RR: 48
Reply 16, posted (5 years 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 9424 times:



Quoting SCL767 (Reply 5):
They could have tried MCO-BOG but did not.

Commences no later than February 15, 2009

Quoting Viaggiare (Reply 13):
"relatively small customs facilities" but you're saying there's room to expand.

ONT has plenty of room for expansion, including international flying. The FIS facilities could easily handle 2 or so hourly narrowbody flights each hour.
But we already know B6 walked away from ONT.

Quoting Lambert747 (Reply 14):
The other thing that I would mention is that while the use of airstairs is not so common in the US anymore, they could very well work at ONT.

I dont know when the last time you were at ONT, however the facility is all jetway unless you happen to be on a RJ/prop that is boarded with stairs.


Also JetBlue already holds broad authority for Mexico flying. So carrier can easily commence any route between the US and Mexico under the bilateral as long as the 2 or 3 carrier rule is complied with.



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User currently offlineN7190JR From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 107 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (5 years 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 9326 times:

What about routes from SJU.....They already have the presence there, and the E190 would make a good aircraft to do it with.

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User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8808 posts, RR: 5
Reply 18, posted (5 years 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 9135 times:
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Quoting ThirteenRight (Reply 15):
Theyre hiring for the station (as per jetblue.com) so it seems as if BOG is coming online.

That's great, it would have been better to start the service in December though as it is one of, if not, the busiest month of travel between the U.S/Colombia.


User currently offlineSWASFLA From United States of America, joined Aug 2008, 79 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (5 years 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 9119 times:



Quoting Clipper136 (Reply 11):
B6 is actively looking to start service to at least 6 Carib/Lat Am routes from MCO and/or FLL in 09.

MCO might see 1 maybe 2 routes to the Carib but not 6, not in 09 and zero from FLL.


User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8808 posts, RR: 5
Reply 20, posted (5 years 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 9097 times:
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Quoting SWASFLA (Reply 19):

Maybe NAS, PUJ, and or MBJ out of MCO. As for FLL, I do not believe that they will start any international flights as well.


User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32736 posts, RR: 72
Reply 21, posted (5 years 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 9062 times:

FWIW, I've been hearing the future of MCO-SDQ is shaky at best, and it might be replaced by an additional SJU-SDQ frequency. MCO-SDQ passengers can be served via SJU.


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User currently offlineBOStonsox From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 1990 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (5 years 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 9015 times:

I think that this is what they should be doing, since these routes are so high-yielding. They are also in the best position to do this, since their focus cities in Florida and the Northeast have so much O&D for the Carribean. Flights out JFK, MCO, and FLL are givens, but I'd be surprised if they didn't add a few routes out of BOS as well. IAD could support a few flights as well, like to AUA. POP, PUJ, PAP are some routes that come to mind.


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User currently offlineSunking737 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 2041 posts, RR: 8
Reply 23, posted (5 years 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 8992 times:

Jetblue should buy out NK it would be faster then starting all the new stations........


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User currently offlineDivemaster08 From Cayman Islands, joined Jul 2008, 336 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (5 years 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 8992 times:

would love to see them down here in GCM! possible from JFK, more likely would be better from FLL!
would be good for an E190!



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25 SCL767 : VX should buy out NK, it would be a great asset to have.
26 MAH4546 : IAD could never support PAP in a million years. The problem with Caribbean is that, while it is high yielding, the fare premiums from the Northeast a
27 EI A330-200 : While this may be somewhat true, there is one major flaw with ONT: Its in Ontario. While I don't deny that the Inland Empire and parts of Eastern Ora
28 BOStonsox : Yeah, I didn't mean they should start IAD-PAP. IAD isn't a big enough station for B6 where they could do that, and the market isn't big enough anyway
29 MCOGVADCA : What about MCO-PAP? Because of baggage/cargo considerations, I'd imagine it would have to be an A320 and not an E-jet. But, given Orlando's sizable Ha
30 MAH4546 : The market is very small. Less than 40 people per day.
31 1821 : Let's hope thay fly JFK - SXM ? ( PS i hoping to fly to the US in April 2010 )
32 MAH4546 : They already do.
33 SCL767 : Does NK still maintain twice weekly service to SXM or has that been suspended?
34 1821 : Oh cool. Goes to show how much i am up 2 date with things. Thanx mate
35 SCL767 : Their frequency is nothing to shout about though. Also, NK only flies the route weekly.
36 WepaMan : I am with you on that one, B6 can reinforce their strong market to SJU from MCO and JFK... Then you can strike the outer rim of the Caribbean and int
37 JetBluefan1 : JetBlue already flies to POP, in addition to STI and SDQ. Granted, STI and SDQ have 2-3 daily flights from JFK, and POP has only 1, but this winter P
38 Bobnwa : What assets would they be buying. NK owns zero aircraft, their routes can be flown by any airline that wants to, and they have no slots at controlled
39 WestIndian425 : My issue with launching out of Kennedy is this proposed slot auction stuff the government wants to impose on the NYC airports now.
40 Lambert747 : What I said was.. I dont think that equates to ONT uses airstairs. What I eluded to and very clearly was that ONT could expand using airstairs and no
41 Aer : I would hope *GUA-MCO (at least 3 times a week) *GUA-JFK ( twice a week / seasonal maybe) *GUA-BOS (also twice a week / seasonal maybe) and there you
42 2travel2know : There's a sizable Guatemalan community (50,000 people?) in the PVD area which may find a B6 BOS-GUA quite attractive, even if once per week (Sa eveni
43 SWASFLA : I think VX should concentrate on there first profitable quarter before trying to buy another airline.
44 SJOtoLIR : The scenario "Central America - the USA" is being regulated upon the Open Skies Agreement as well as some destinations in Colombia: ADZ, SMR, BAQ and
45 SCL767 : They have a route network that many airlines would fight over; especially since many of their destinations out of FLL do extremely well due to O&D in
46 MAH4546 : NK has an amazing route network between Fort Lauderdale and international markets that airlines like JetBlue would kill for. And, yes, most of their
47 Luisca : I can see them flying JFK-SJO,PTY,GUA,SAL effectively. Is this feasible in the E190?
48 SJOtoLIR : Their 320s are the best fit for JFK-SJO and JFK-PTY. I brought up again why [B6 JFK-Central America] might do it better than the missing operations [
49 MAH4546 : It won't, IMO. TACA has the market sown up well. Delta struggled and left, AA has struggled and left; and even CO hasn't been as a large a player as
50 SJOtoLIR : However, CO doesn't necessarily depend in the O&D traffic linking Central America and New York City area. Most of the inbound traffic can diversify a
51 SCL767 : Very true, CO plans on operating EWR-POS-EWR daily nonstop for the busy Christmas season.
52 SKYYBLUE : I think you'll hear an announcement on MCO-BOG soon. What makes you think BGI/UVF from JFK is in the works? I also think this would work very well. A
53 SCL767 : It is quite possible that the Tourism Ministries of these respective islands may offer Jetblue incentives to fly to their respective islands given th
54 Yellowtail : BZE is on their list of prospects. though I would say our chances are slim. having said that yields to Cent Am should be better than Carib. ones.
55 SCL767 : Not from the Northeast, remember DL recently discontinued many flights to Central America from JFK.
56 Viaggiare : Just because Delta can't make a route work does not necessarily mean the route isn't viable. More like they seem to struggle with a number of executi
57 SCL767 : Where in Central America do you think they could fly to successfully?
58 SKYYBLUE : As per jetblue.com (booking search) MCO-BOG is showing January 29, 2009 start date.
59 Viaggiare : SJO and PTY both out of MCO.
60 SCL767 : I think they would do better to PUJ out of JFK, along with JFK-MBJ.
61 Abrelosojos : I was on the phone with a fellow aviation guy and we were both wondering if Jet Blue did not win route authority for their Bogota service? Saludos, A.
62 B6FA4ever : we did win the authority. we just requested w/ the DOT to delay the start date. i started a thread a while ago regarding the start of BOG because it
63 Summa767 : I also see that jetBlue.com are advertising for a general manager and a supervisor based at BOG. Just saw that jetBlue's schedule for BOG is a big imp
64 Abrelosojos : = See that is what I thought as well. It was there over the weekend with the new schedule loaded in. However, if you go to B6 website right now, BOG
65 Summa767 : I got the schedule from Amadeus as it was not showing on jetBlue's own website. Before Spirit started flights to BOG, it also did not load schedules o
66 Panamair : What 'execution issues' were these? But POS is quite different from the GUA/PTY/SJO markets (which were being referred to earlier as markets which ar
67 SJOtoLIR : AUS offers limited connections to the US westbound on B6. Furthermore, both CO at IAH and AA at DFW have consolidated this service regarding the Cent
68 SCL767 : Actually DL is doing well on the route since the only other competition is BW, and the Charters no longer operate on that route. Delta will soon incr
69 JetBlueAtJFK : I could see them going into more Caribbean routes at first over places in Central America. I have long thought Jamaica service (more likely to MBJ) wo
70 MAH4546 : MCO-BOG will be on sale by this weekend. Good luck JetBlue, they need a significant amount of it on that route. Good thing fuel is getting cheap. The
71 Jfk777 : Jet Blue is best served by flying to the Caribean from JFK, almost all destinations with in range of A320's. MCO to BOG is a fine route but is it the
72 Post contains links B6MoneyGuyJFK : Press release regarding the Bogota service http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/081015/nyw015.html?.v=101
73 WepaMan : I kind agree with you but in the last few years The Colombians population in Central Florida has increase tremendously and most of them they are in t
74 2travel2know : I've my doubts about whatever success B6 could have flying to PTY. B6 most likely going to add Latinamerican and Caribbean flights from JFK, IAD, BOS,
75 Icebird757 : I have heard that we are planning on growing the west coast more with adding service south of California, most likely taking on AS. I have also heard
76 SJOtoLIR : Some months ago, AS opened an international office in San Jose, Costa Rica. Furthermore, SJO is the main Central American destination out of MIA. For
77 MCOGVADCA : What are the daily numbers of passengers traveling between MCO and CCS?
78 MAH4546 : IIRC, around ~140 combined. Rio de Janeiro is around 220 and Sao Paulo is around ~370. I'm doing this by memory, so I might be off, but it's somethin
79 BOStonsox : Flights or fights? AFAIK nobody has flown that route. TACA flew to SJO and pulled out a few years ago. I don't think it will work, but I don't have t
80 MAH4546 : Looks like JetBlue will announce BOS-SXM (Sa), FLL-NAS (2x), and MCO-NAS (1x) tomorrow. TACA flew to GUA. It performed horribly. Loads were okay, but
81 WepaMan : Most of them are affraid that they won't be able to come back to the States... Visa are not ez to secure in Salvador nor Guatemala... Wepa
82 Post contains links LAXintl : Here is annoucement of service to Nassua from FLL and MCO. http://biz.yahoo.com/pz/081016/152256.html MCO-NAS 1202-1320 E190 NAS-MCO 1155-1318 E190 FL
83 WepaMan : From where you get your Facts? there is no Connection Between MCO - FLL, FLL - MCO!!! Wepa
84 LAXintl : Typo - should be FLL-NAS-FLL FLL-NAS 0958-1100 E190 FLL-NAS 1715-1817 E190 NAS-FLL 1410-1517 E190 NAS-FLL 1910-2017 E190[Edited 2008-10-16 10:45:23]
85 JetBluefan1 : This is great news! I did start another thread based on the press releases because this one was mostly based on speculation, but I guess someone decid
86 MAH4546 : Easily. The O&D is in the thousands, making it one of the most traveled O&D city pairs between the United States and any international city; not to m
87 BOStonsox : I could have sworn it was somewhere in Costa Rica. I looked at it again, and it was actually El Salvador. I think that for reasons you have mentioned
88 MAH4546 : It was operated by LACSA, a Costa Rican airline. But yes, you are right, it was BOS-SAL.
89 MAH4546 : It was operated by LACSA, a Costa Rican airline. LACSA flies many routes on behalf of TACA, but they only use their independent brand name to LAX, MI
90 SJOtoLIR : TA SAL-BOS was dropped in September 2006. I have attached some of the last figures: .Filter period......Seats.......Passengers.......Load factor ..Jul
91 Summa767 : It's great to see that the route map on jetBlue's website has expanded to include northern Southamerica, and so show Bogota!
92 SKYYBLUE : Too bad that route map is dilapidated, especially around Honduras/Belize. I didn't know there was a channel separating the two...
93 NAVEGA : I do not want to sound negative but time and time again low cost airlines tryng to get into the Latin American Market fail. If Jet Blue does not provi
94 SJOtoLIR : Sorry, but the case of NK is quite different. They are currently sustaining a sizable network in the Latin American market: Mexico, Central America,
95 NAVEGA : I do not want to sound negative but Latin American Passengers are spoiled with free meals and free licor and drinks on most Latin American Airlines. U
96 Viaggiare : Additionally all land travel between Veracruz and the Yucatán peninsula now requires traversing both Guatemala and Belize.
97 Aer : Hehe, someone never learned to do a drag and drop.
98 Shadez : FLL-SJU goes to 3x Daily Jan 6 1x A320 2x E190
99 JetBluefan1 : SDQ-SJU goes to 2x daily Feb 12. As of mid-February, SJU's schedule will look like this: SJU-SDQ 2x SJU-JFK 4x SJU-BOS 1x SJU-FLL 3x SJU-MCO 4x SJU-IA
100 JRodriguez136 : Actually SJU-SDQ-SJU goes 2x effective Dec. 18, 2008. Effective December 3, 2008; (Will commence two weeks earlier than scheduled) SJU-SDQ 1735 1750/1
101 BOStonsox : For a second I thought you were mistaken in your geography but upon looking at the route map, I see what you're saying. And if you're really picky, y
102 DTWAGENT : I t would be nice if another Low cost carrier would go into FLL. NK's prices are starting to get up their in the clouds because of no one is taking th
103 MAH4546 : AA flies FLL-KIN, FLL-PAP, and FLL-SJO. JetBlue starts FLL-SJU and FLL-NAS this winter. In addition, Air Jamaica, Avianca, and Caribbean Airlines all
104 Yellowtail : Spolied? Why should we settle for lower standards...you don't say asian passengers are spoiled on SQ or European passengers on BA. It is more like Am
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