Flybynight From Norway, joined Jul 2003, 993 posts, RR: 3 Posted (4 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 2954 times:
I've flown this flight on UA about 30 times over the last couple of years. I need to fly it again next week, but now I'm forced to go with AS since UA doesn't have the early flight to GEG.
You'd think it is the early flight they'd want to keep since it makes the most sense for business travel like myself.
LAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 22241 posts, RR: 51 Reply 1, posted (4 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 2865 times:
SEA-GEG is not a United flight, but one operated at risk by Skywest using the United banner.
As Skywest trims its EMB-120 fleet its also slowly and surely getting out of most of its at risk flying it does for United and Delta.
From the desert to the sea, to all of Southern California
OOer From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 1395 posts, RR: 2 Reply 2, posted (4 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 2839 times:
Last I checked all EMB flying for DLC is at risk, however 99% of UAX EMB flying is on a FPD basis and controlled by United...the at risk markets are a couple out of LAX and SFO, none out of SEA from what I understand. Unless this has changed in the past 2 years that is.
CALMSP From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3662 posts, RR: 8 Reply 3, posted (4 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 2826 times:
Hatbutton From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 1458 posts, RR: 15 Reply 4, posted (4 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 2758 times:
Quoting Flybynight (Thread starter): I've flown this flight on UA about 30 times over the last couple of years. I need to fly it again next week, but now I'm forced to go with AS since UA doesn't have the early flight to GEG.
You'd think it is the early flight they'd want to keep since it makes the most sense for business travel like myself.
I'm thinking it might have something to do with the new PDX-OTH and PDX-LMT service that starts this week. As far as I know OO didn't get any new EMBs and they could be cutting back on the SEA-GEG schedule to free up a plane for those routes.
LAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 22241 posts, RR: 51 Reply 5, posted (4 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 2749 times:
Quoting OOer (Reply 2): Last I checked all EMB flying for DLC is at risk, however 99% of UAX EMB flying is on a FPD basis and controlled by United...
Per Skywest latest 10Q report 35 of 59 E-120 turboprops operate under separate pro-rate agreements with Delta and United.
From their 10Q: On pro-rate flights, we control scheduling, ticketing, pricing and seat inventories and receive a pro-rated portion of passenger fares. As of June 30, 2008, essentially all of our Brasilia turboprops flown for Delta were flown under pro-rate arrangements, while approximately 58% of our Brasilia turboprops flown in the United system were flown under contractual arrangements, with the remaining 42% flown under pro-rate arrangements.
Quoting CALMSP (Reply 3): OP is correct on where his United flight is.
OP is complaining about a AM flight that no longer exist blaming it on United.
As I stated, since the flight is at risk by Skywest, United has no scheduling control over flight and its at Skywest sole discretion how and if it operates.
As Skywest mentions in their 10Q: we control scheduling, ticketing, pricing and seat inventories
From the desert to the sea, to all of Southern California
DurangoMac From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 592 posts, RR: 0 Reply 6, posted (4 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 2556 times:
What was the flight number because that can tell you if it's at risk or not. Flights basicly in the 5700 block and EMB-120's are at risk all others are fee for departure regardless of aircraft type.
DurangoMac From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 592 posts, RR: 0 Reply 8, posted (4 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 2535 times:
Quoting Cgagn (Reply 7): Forgive me for asking, but what exactly is an "at risk" flight?
In the regional world it's a flight that the regional is flying with out a guarantee of revenue from the major the regional is flying flight under.
For instance the flight from PDX to LMT is being flown by SkyWest without a guarantee from UA. The flip side is that they basically pay a fee to UA to use the name and the reservation system of UA while SkyWest sets the levels and pricing and gets a higher revenue if the flight is full.
SkyWest did go through every at-risk/pro-rate flight and if it historically didn't do so well financially then it was axed from the schedule unless there was a revenue guarantee from the airport, comity, FAA in the form of EAS or whatever to make sure it made money.
LAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 22241 posts, RR: 51 Reply 9, posted (4 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 2500 times:
Quoting DurangoMac (Reply 6): What was the flight number because that can tell you if it's at risk or not. Flights basicly in the 5700 block and EMB-120's are at risk all others are fee for departure regardless of aircraft type.
Yes SEA-GEG is a pro-rate(at risk) flying by Skywest. All flight numbers are 573x
Quoting Cgagn (Reply 7): Forgive me for asking, but what exactly is an "at risk" flight?
Most regional flying on behalf of major carriers is know as "fee for departure" where the regional gets paid a agreed sum for each flight with the entire commercial risk borne by the major carrier.
Pro-rate flying or also know as at-risk is operarted by the regional themselves with the entire commercial risk and cost borne by the regional operator. The regional reimburses the major carrier under whose brand it operates such flights by primarily sharing "pro-rate" ticket revenues on such covered flying.
Skywest runs the majority of its E120 fleet (35 of 52 planes) under such pro-rate agrement with United and Delta where Skywest is on the hook for the cost and risk of such flights.
This will however decline as E120s get retired over the next couple years.
From the desert to the sea, to all of Southern California
Wedgetail737 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5566 posts, RR: 5 Reply 10, posted (4 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 2221 times:
There's been UA Express flying throughout the Pacific Northwest for years. Unfortunately, I wouldn't be surprised if all the Pacific Northwest EMB flying comes to an end.
USAIRWAYS321 From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 1808 posts, RR: 10 Reply 11, posted (4 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 2137 times:
Quoting Flybynight (Thread starter): I need to fly it again next week, but now I'm forced to go with AS since UA doesn't have the early flight to GEG.
Take a Horizon flight! Much better service than SkyWest, free beer/wine, and the Q400 is so much nicer than the EMB-120.
Wedgetail737 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5566 posts, RR: 5 Reply 12, posted (4 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 2116 times:
Quoting USAIRWAYS321 (Reply 11): Take a Horizon flight! Much better service than SkyWest, free beer/wine, and the Q400 is so much nicer than the EMB-120.
Unmlobo From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 196 posts, RR: 1 Reply 13, posted (4 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 2044 times:
Alaska and Horizon are very good options, I would encourage you to fly one of those.
There is also another carrier on that route that many people like. I believe you may have heard of them, they have a canyon blue paint scheme. They are pretty good as well.
[Edited 2008-10-13 21:25:56]
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Flybynight From Norway, joined Jul 2003, 993 posts, RR: 3 Reply 14, posted (4 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 1883 times:
Quoting USAIRWAYS321 (Reply 11): Take a Horizon flight! Much better service than SkyWest, free beer/wine, and the Q400 is so much nicer than the EMB-120.
Yes, that beomes my choice. It's nothing against AS, but I fly UA because its part of the Star Alliance, so all those segments from SEA to GEG and back added up helped towards my Premier and Premier Exec status.
But I agree Horizon makes more sense and now my hand is being forced.
I still surprised, though, that Skywest/UA would could cut the 7AM flight as opposed to the noon'ish flight. Obviously they have their reasons, but it just seems to be the wrong flight to cut.
Also, I believe it was one of the local news stations in Seattle, but I am pretty sure I heard that while UA is cutting flight from most airports, they were actually expanding at SEA since the economy is strong in the Pacific NW.
Ramprat74 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 1457 posts, RR: 2 Reply 15, posted (4 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 1850 times:
Quoting Flybynight (Reply 14): Also, I believe it was one of the local news stations in Seattle, but I am pretty sure I heard that while UA is cutting flight from most airports, they were actually expanding at SEA since the economy is strong in the Pacific NW.
United is down to 20 mainline departures a day at SEA. It's a sad sight to see United reduce so many flights over the years.
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They are pretty good as well.
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