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Delta Plans To Open Saab 340 Base In ATL  
User currently offlineBluestreak From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 20 posts, RR: 0
Posted (5 years 9 months 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 17245 times:

http://www.flightglobal.com/articles...-saab-340-base-at-atlanta-hub.html


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User currently onlineMSYtristar From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 6514 posts, RR: 51
Reply 1, posted (5 years 9 months 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 17127 times:

Very smart move for DL to right size capacity on some regional runs and to replace the use of inefficient RJ's on some short hauls with props.

User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 22680 posts, RR: 20
Reply 2, posted (5 years 9 months 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 17064 times:



Quoting MSYtristar (Reply 1):
Very smart move for DL to right size capacity on some regional runs and to replace the use of inefficient RJ's on some short hauls with props.

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Interestingly, though, with lots of SF3s already serving TRI, it would have been pretty easy to operate a few SF3 flights at ATL without a base. The fact that they are going ahead and opening a base indicates that they intend to do a fair amount of SF3 flying at ATL (and may portend bad things for MEM).



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User currently offlineFlyf15 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (5 years 9 months 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 17039 times:

Those Saabs have gotta come from somewhere and my guess is its not going to be a draw-down from MSP or DTW flying. Why reduce the only service MSP/DTW cities have to keep service to small cities in the south to both MEM and ATL? This is another nail in MEM's coffin. MEM is as good as closed...

User currently onlineMSYtristar From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 6514 posts, RR: 51
Reply 4, posted (5 years 9 months 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 17008 times:



Quoting Flyf15 (Reply 3):
Those Saabs have gotta come from somewhere and my guess is its not going to be a draw-down from MSP or DTW flying

I agree. I think MEM will feel the brunt of the SF3 reduction. It's probably the smartest move from a business standpoint. Chances are there is more local demand from smaller communities in the South to ATL rather than to MEM in and of itself and of course ATL's vast network connectivity to go along with that.


User currently offlineTN757Flyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (5 years 9 months 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 17007 times:



Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 2):
The fact that they are going ahead and opening a base indicates that they intend to do a fair amount of SF3 flying at ATL (and may portend bad things for MEM).

I tend to agree. Many of those Saab destinations from MEM can just as easily be served from ATL, included the EAS routes.

Isn't it ironic? Just a decade ago, the 50 seater regional jet was considered the savior of the airline industry, and now it is becoming the very bane if their existence. While I'm sure they won't all go away, it will be amazing in a few years to see all those birds sitting in the desert, long before their useful life has been spent.


User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 22680 posts, RR: 20
Reply 6, posted (5 years 9 months 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 16961 times:



Quoting TN757Flyer (Reply 5):
I tend to agree. Many of those Saab destinations from MEM can just as easily be served from ATL, included the EAS routes.

 checkmark The two exceptions are arguably COU and PAH, and MSP-COU is probably doable with an SF3. PAH is going to be interesting; ZK to STL is the only other carrier that might be interested (though CVG-PAH might work if CVG winds up bigger than MEM).

The only other airport where there might be an issue is MKL, but I don't know what's going on with EAS there. They are currently without commercial service.



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User currently offlineImperialEagle From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 2420 posts, RR: 23
Reply 7, posted (5 years 9 months 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 16960 times:
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Quoting TN757Flyer (Reply 5):
all those birds sitting in the desert, long before their useful life has been spent.

Nah-----somebody will work out a deal with some mod shops to convert them into something else.



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User currently offlineTN757Flyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (5 years 9 months 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 16846 times:



Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 6):
The only other airport where there might be an issue is MKL, but I don't know what's going on with EAS there. They are currently without commercial service.

IMO, MKL does not need air service. But then again, probably 70-80% of EAS cities "could" live without them. When the old Corporate Air (or whatever they reinvented themselves as) contract was up, there was discussion in the Nashville paper about BNA trying to get that route. When it was being operated by AA Connection to STL, they were averaging 5-7 pax daily on two flights on J32's. By my not so great math, that's an 18% LF. Granted the drive on I-40 to MEM can be bad, but it's still only 90 miles to the airport. MKL can do without. Same goes for Muscle Shoals, which is also an EAS city close enough to HSV. Ditto Greenville, MS. (A couple you didn't mention that NW serves from MEM). And people wonder why our government wastes money? Just my  twocents 


User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 22680 posts, RR: 20
Reply 9, posted (5 years 9 months 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 16838 times:



Quoting TN757Flyer (Reply 8):
IMO, MKL does not need air service.

I agree. XJ had bid on EAS there, though, IIRC. And if the government wants to hand XJ money (XJ presumably thought they could operate it profitably), from their perspective, bidding makes a lot of sense.

Quoting TN757Flyer (Reply 8):
Granted the drive on I-40 to MEM can be bad, but it's still only 90 miles to the airport.

I'd be inclined to make the ~120 mile drive to BNA and enjoy the lower fares.



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User currently offlineTN757Flyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (5 years 9 months 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 16722 times:



Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 9):
I'd be inclined to make the ~120 mile drive to BNA and enjoy the lower fares.

EEEK. I haven't driven that one lately, but I-40 seems to be under perpetual construction. Last time I drove it, took me 5 hours. I agree, I think many people in Jackson do that. I've seen quite a few Madison County plates in the BNA parking lots.


User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 22680 posts, RR: 20
Reply 11, posted (5 years 9 months 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 16652 times:



Quoting TN757Flyer (Reply 10):
EEEK. I haven't driven that one lately, but I-40 seems to be under perpetual construction.

It's a shock, but there's nothing major going on between Jackson and Nashville right now... for the moment.



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User currently offlineComairGuyCVG From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 337 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (5 years 9 months 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 16556 times:



Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 2):
Interestingly, though, with lots of SF3s already serving TRI

What does TRI have to do with ATL opening a Saab base?


User currently offlineRL757PVD From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 4643 posts, RR: 11
Reply 13, posted (5 years 9 months 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 16538 times:

I wonder if some of these will new new ATL routes either all together or shifted from MEM

cities like MSL could easily be shifted to ATL

cities like LWB and HTS could be added to the ATL network

cities like MEI could be done via EAS, perhaps MCN re opened

cities like VLD AGS TRI and LYH might see a frequency switched to the Saab.



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User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 22680 posts, RR: 20
Reply 14, posted (5 years 9 months 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 16538 times:



Quoting ComairGuyCVG (Reply 12):
What does TRI have to do with ATL opening a Saab base?

They already bridge Saabs between hubs at TRI. Had they been looking to fly just a handful of Saab flights ex-ATL, they easily could have bridged aircraft to ATL at TRI, obviating the need for a base there.



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User currently offlineAccess-Air From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 1939 posts, RR: 13
Reply 15, posted (5 years 9 months 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 16479 times:



Quoting MSYtristar (Reply 1):
Very smart move for DL to right size capacity on some regional runs and to replace the use of inefficient RJ's on some short hauls with props.

I guess we see that the rush to dump the props and get the jets was the WRONG thing to do!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Access-Air



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User currently offlineWingnutmn From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 636 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (5 years 9 months 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 16468 times:

I believe if DL needs more S340's, they could get a pretty good deal on all the AE 340B's that are being removed from the fleet. That would match our 340B+ we currently fly. Also, PAH could become a CR2 flight from DTW or MSP quite easily. I would bet that you could have better connections from both of the North Hubs than MEM. Or, it could be operated to ATL.

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User currently offlineKcrwFlyer From United States of America, joined May 2004, 3791 posts, RR: 7
Reply 17, posted (5 years 9 months 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 16342 times:



Quoting RL757PVD (Reply 13):
cities like LWB and HTS could be added to the ATL network

LWB already has ATL, via a revenue guarantee from the Greenbrier. I'm not sure how well those in HTS would respond to the 1:40 turboprop ride either, especially considering their mid 60's load factor when they actually had a jet to ATL.

just my  twocents  on some markets I'm familiar with.

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 2):
Interestingly, though, with lots of SF3s already serving TRI, it would have been pretty easy to operate a few SF3 flights at ATL without a base.

I wouldn't call 4 flights "lots". And while they could route some saabs to ATL through TRI, they wouldn't be able to efficiently add more than a few cities that way. I'd imagine opening the ATL base is just cheaper in the long run.


User currently offlineMOBflyer From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 1209 posts, RR: 4
Reply 18, posted (5 years 9 months 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 16298 times:



Quoting RL757PVD (Reply 13):
cities like MEI could be done via EAS, perhaps MCN re opened

MEI already has EAS to ATL, albeit with CRJs. DL wanted out of MCN entirely, per their EAS proceedings.


User currently offlineBurnsie28 From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 7526 posts, RR: 8
Reply 19, posted (5 years 9 months 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 16235 times:



Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 2):
Interestingly, though, with lots of SF3s already serving TRI, it would have been pretty easy to operate a few SF3 flights at ATL without a base. The fact that they are going ahead and opening a base indicates that they intend to do a fair amount of SF3 flying at ATL (and may portend bad things for MEM).

Not necissarily, OO has a pilot base their for their CR9's and they operate very very few routes out of ATL.

Quoting TN757Flyer (Reply 5):
included the EAS routes.

EAS routes to be switched need government approval.



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User currently offlineLitz From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 1753 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (5 years 9 months 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 16225 times:
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Quoting MOBflyer (Reply 18):
DL wanted out of MCN entirely, per their EAS proceedings.

I can't imagine why ...  scratchchin 

(It often takes longer to get through security at Hartsfield than the drive from Atlanta to Macon. The only way it makes sense is if you live in Macon and are changing planes in Atlanta on your way to/from.)

- litz


User currently onlineMSYtristar From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 6514 posts, RR: 51
Reply 21, posted (5 years 9 months 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 16225 times:



Quoting MOBflyer (Reply 18):
MEI already has EAS to ATL, albeit with CRJs

MEI is a good example of a city which is probably better suited for SF3's instead of CRJ's.

I also wouldn't be horribly surprised if we saw PIB get a couple of SF3's to ATL in due time.


User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 22680 posts, RR: 20
Reply 22, posted (5 years 9 months 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 15965 times:



Quoting KcrwFlyer (Reply 17):
And while they could route some saabs to ATL through TRI, they wouldn't be able to efficiently add more than a few cities that way.

 checkmark No; they likely couldn't do more than 8 or 10 daily flights that way.

Quoting Burnsie28 (Reply 19):

EAS routes to be switched need government approval.

...which will be a formality if they're switching to a larger hub in a larger city.



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User currently offlineRL757PVD From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 4643 posts, RR: 11
Reply 23, posted (5 years 9 months 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 15820 times:



Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 22):
...which will be a formality if they're switching to a larger hub in a larger city.

yes, no one is going to argue switching a route like MSL to ATL rather than MEM.

GLH and GTR also come to mind.

MEM will be getting pruned from the bottom up, with the weaker stations behing shifted to the massive ATL. Same thing will happen with CVG. A city like HTS will likely see service shifted to ATL or DTW or both. DTW-HTS-ATL will also be a good way to filter S340s through the system.



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User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 22680 posts, RR: 20
Reply 24, posted (5 years 9 months 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 15795 times:



Quoting RL757PVD (Reply 23):
A city like HTS will likely see service shifted to ATL or DTW or both. DTW-HTS-ATL will also be a good way to filter S340s through the system.

 checkmark There are a number of options to bridge them. TRI, HTS, LWB, and ROA all come to mind; LEX might be an option too.



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25 MOBflyer : Unless the bigger hub and city will require more of a subsidy, yes. However it was usually just DL and NW that applied for these cities, so it will a
26 RL757PVD : I dont think it will be as much downgrades as it will be plucking off the smaller statiosn from MEM/CVG and connecting them to ATL and DTW. Places li
27 KcrwFlyer : I agree with you there. *gasp* LWB was mentioned as a bridge city, but their service is all subsidized. I dont believe they could support DTW, or any
28 EMBQA : Hey...at one time Delta Connection and the Saab 340 owned the northeast through Business Express. We were number one in BOS and LGA by over 2 x the ne
29 FlyPNS1 : Agreed, though I also think a few of the small, close-in ATL RJ markets could get downgraded...think VLD, ABY, CSG, DHN etc. These routes are very sh
30 FlyASAGuy2005 : Agreed! 9 times out of 10, a flight MCN-ATL-XXX is not that more expensive than ATL-XXX so who can blame the residents of Macon? Although, I always w
31 TN757Flyer : Of which I am aware. My argument is that the vast majority of EAS flights, including all those NW operates from MEM, are a waste of taxpayers money a
32 RL757PVD : I'll give you VLD but CSG and ABY are pretty good performers. CSG ia a large massively underserved market and is the leader of the pack when it comes
33 Cubsrule : No; I wasn't thinking downgrades. Those cities would likely get additional frequencies out of the deal (which isn't such a bad thing). Realistically,
34 RL757PVD : ROA has like 8x ATL RJs already and if anything should probably go to 5-6x with larger aircraft ( CR7) if thats infact what the demand is. Part of th
35 Post contains links FlyPNS1 : ROA-ATL is only 5x CRJ's right now, but I agree that ROA is unlikely to get downgraded. They could get an extra frequency though. Another market is F
36 TDubJFK : What's that got to do with ATL?
37 EMBQA : AAaaah just trying to say it is a great plane and has done well before for Delta Connection
38 Srbmod : This move definitely shows that retiring the E-120s several years back was not a smart idea. If they could get additional a/c, they really could servi
39 RL757PVD : Its 8x CRJ starting next month, coinciding with the CVG flights getting cut Also since HTS will be adversely affected the more destinations that get
40 Jetdeltamsy : ATR;s aren;t RJ's. They prop jets.
41 MSYtristar : I never suggested they were. I was suggesting some CRJ ultra short hauls could be replaced by the SF3's.
42 KcrwFlyer : ROA is going to 8 in the next schedule change. CVG has already been cut. How much faster is a Brasilia than a SF340?
43 Cubsrule : The 340B cruises something like 15 knots faster than a Brasilia.
44 HSVflier : the reason you see a lot of madison county plates at BNA is because of WN, other than that you would never see them there, 98% of the fares are cheape
45 Lexy : Nevermind you can get to a number of locations non-stop out of BNA that would require a stop or two out of HSV. That could also be a reason my friend
46 Cubsrule : ...except that it's an hour further to HSV and the drive is a pain, as it's mostly on surface roads rather than on 40.
47 Aviateur : Not to nitpick, but Delta does not have Saab 340s. We should be more specific when referring to regional affiliates that are neither owned nor adminis
48 EMBQA : After the merger won't Delta own Mesaba...?
49 DeltaL1011man : yes DL will own OH,Mesaba and Compass.
50 Cubsrule : Wait, so XJ is just moving aircraft to ATL because they feel like it...?
51 AVLAirlineFreq : Wasn't the original poster referring to Madison County, TN (Jackson/MKL) and not Madison County, AL (Huntsville/HSV)? Big difference, even if they ar
52 AVLAirlineFreq : This article states that "Delta is also interested in reintroducing turboprops on several short-haul routes from Atlanta such as Myrtle Beach that De
53 PSU.DTW.SCE : I suggested this might happen a few months ago. The writing was on the wall when DL started cutting a number of ATL routes that weren't suitable for a
54 EMBQA : MYR has never been a big mainline served airport. Most of the people that go there just drive
55 Dufo : Actually, it's vice-versa. At ISA, 340B cruises at around 285kts and Brasilion at 300 (and 340A at 270).
56 Cubsrule : Interesting... my impression had been that while the Brasilia is capable of 300, it generally cruises around 270. Thanks for the correction.
57 AVLAirlineFreq : Well, I never meant to imply it was a mainline served airport. It's just that DL flies ATL-MYR 6x daily right now--3x AT7, 2x CRJ, 1x CR7. That's a f
58 Cubsrule : I think the assumed that the SF3 will show up on all the old AT7 routes, but outside of HHH that may or may not be a good assumption. At more than 30
59 PSU.DTW.SCE : With the increased FAA mandated passenger & bag weights, the Saab can rarely go out with more than 31 pax, and anything over 29 becomes purely a numb
60 Lexy : Indeed!!! It just occured to me as well. LOL!! None the less, people from both Madison's travel to BNA due to fares and to a lesser extent, destinati
61 FlyDeltaJets87 : As a former MCN resident (well, Warner Robins) speaking here, I seriously doubt anyone flew MCN-ATL without connecting onward in ATL. However, it is
62 HSVflier : did'nt even think about madison county TN, and no i actually like BNA it is one of the nicer airports in the US.
63 Sacamojus : That is good to know. Everytime I fly out of ROA on DL, the flights are always full and the tickets are very expensive when compared to nearby cities
64 TN757Flyer : Yes, I was. I was not even aware the county name for HSV was Madison until now. Tennessee plates list the county names on them, not sure about 'Bama.
65 Burnsie28 : Right, but the economic impact that air service has to those towns is often worth more than what the government spends. So true, up until recently NW
66 EMBQA : When I was going to A&P School and lived in Conway ( just east of MYR ) I was shocked at how little served Myrtle Beach was....and still is... even t
67 AVLAirlineFreq : Alabama plates have a numerical prefix identifier on them which corresponds to each county. Madison County (Huntsville) is 47. (Yeah, I know...way to
68 M404 : Remember only six Saabs transit MEM on a push/wave now compared to up to 40 CRjs and 28 mainline so IF (big if) they came out of MEM it would not be a
69 DiscoverCSG : Groome (notice the "e") does handsome business on routes such as Columbus-Atlanta. I live in the city of Columbus, Georgia, less than ten minutes by
70 Flyf15 : Seems to me like this would only be the beginning. The close in regional feed is the most hub specific flying each hub does. If that gets transitione
71 EMBQA : D'ooooh... LOL... I ment MYR was east of Conway..!!
72 Azjubilee : There are more than 6 saabs in MEM during a push. For the December 1-16 schedule: AM push - 8 in, 10 out, 2 originating. Mid - 9 in and 9 out. PM - 10
73 ATWZW170 : I think until the details are released we are going to sit and guess about what is going to happen. I can see 3 or 4 SAABs being pulled out of each ma
74 Srbmod : Delta could always pick up the leases or outright buy the a/c and assign them to a DL Connection carrier. If this were to happen, they would more tha
75 ATWZW170 : I have heard that DL can not have the Q400 in ATL because of space issues -- but maybe the Dash 8 200 could work in ATL. I don't think the Dash produc
76 Azjubilee : Mesaba has not made it clear they want to get rid of the saabs. The leases were renegotiated in Ch11... that's it. IF DL wanted the Q400 in its ATL op
77 Azjubilee : Bump and update. Word has it from a Flight Ops manager that the saabs for the ATL saab operation will be taken from primarily DTW and maybe a few from
78 EXAAUADL : I agree, this is an indication MEM Will be closed.
79 PSU.DTW.SCE : I'm sure they could find a way to squeeze out 5-7 Saabs out of DTW / MSP. There are a few Saab routes/frequencies that probably could be upgauged to a
80 DeltaL1011man : DL is looking at both the Q400 and ATR-72-600. (read the PR and you will see they ATR) read above plus I think BBC is going to stop making all the Da
81 EXAAUADL : PAH-ATL will work just fine. Why wouldnt that be doable? ASA use to fly EM2s ATL-EVV
82 FWAERJ : Right now, only two of the five daily FWA-DTW frequencies are on Mesaba SAABs anyway (sometimes, only 1 of the frequencies is on a SAAB). The rest, p
83 TN757Flyer : I'm sorry, but in the case of MKL, I seriously doubt putting an 18% load factor into a couple of Jetstreams a day makes much of an economic impact on
84 Cubsrule : It's not a terribly long flight, and I think it could likely work, but adding 200 miles to the flight does make it quite a bit more expensive to oper
85 TN757Flyer : The husband of a woman I work with often flies in/out of Paducah to MEM. He's told me on several occasions there have been five or fewer pax on a fli
86 Suisjes : When I was going to A&P School and lived in Conway ( just east of MYR ) I was shocked at how little served Myrtle Beach was....and still is... even t
87 Cubsrule : My wife and I do that drive quite a bit (her family lives in Nashville). It's only a couple of hours, and the only part of it that is even remotely d
88 DeltAirlines : Part of the reason for MYR getting not a ton of traffic is simply it's location - it's smack dab in the middle of the Atlantic Seaboard, which means y
89 Suisjes : I am just wondering how it gets exactly that a lotta traffic 8x , however, this is not a matter how much info you or I know or the fact there is'nt a
90 KaiGywer : I've actually sent quite a few (or at least had a max 33 limit) on several flights in the last couple of weeks. Nice weather here lately, so most Saa
91 Bobnwa : Please read reply #77. He is usually right about Mesaba!!!
92 PSU.DTW.SCE : Yep, nice weather makes the difference. Probably the best time now when there aren't the summer t-storm or winter snow/ice to deal with. Went out wit
93 JBirdAV8r : AFAIK TRI still gets a DTW flight with the Slaab...probably works out to be an additional 15 miles "as the crow flies" than ROA-DTW. TRI-MEM ends up
94 JCS17 : I've flown MEM-TRI, and the flight, with about 20 aboard, ended up being around 2:30 as we had to fly around some thunderstorms. I haven't sat in a S
95 FlyASAGuy2005 : I can say i've been living in Atlanta all my life and I don't think i've ever parked in the giant uncovered parking lot. Always parked next to the te
96 KaiGywer : And that's on a good day
97 EMBQA : Well... I just hope they pick a company that knows how to paint the SAAB's. They're a tricky plane to paint as they use a process called Bonded Primer
98 Azjubilee : XJ also had the same corrosion problem in the very beginning with the very first saab to get painted in the new NWA paint scheme. It was an A model th
99 EMBQA : The SB and AD are only for planes that have been re-painted AFTER leaving the factory. As far as I know, 407 is the only B+ to have been re-painted s
100 PSU.DTW.SCE : The Saab, in some instances actually has more room than the CRJ - Row 1, 6 and any of the A seats all are arguably more spacious than anything on the
101 KcrwFlyer : Thats true, but its also considerably louder and usually a rougher ride. I dont know too many fans of the vibrations n such. Turbopropaphobia still e
102 Jetjeanes : I cant imagine the confusion in atlanta with all those saabs especially when they are all parked at one time or at night, I could not even count the n
103 PSU.DTW.SCE : Oh it does. Right now I'm on a Saab at least twice a week and every single flight I hear comments from people. However they often appear to be the "J
104 TN757Flyer :
105 Cubsrule : That would make me incredibly happy... hey, a guy can dream, right?
106 EMBQA : That area is like a runway... wide open and straight. They LOVE to sit under the over pass near the Grand ol Opry
107 KaiGywer : Rudolph still looks amazingly good, other than the nose of course
108 Brandonfs88 : But CMX can? and INL? and ABR? But those stations can at least get the courtesy of getting one of there Saab flights upgraded to a CRJ2 for some reas
109 KaiGywer : All those destinations are Saabs only during most of the year, but does get a CRJ during heavy seasons, such as fishing in INL, hunting in ABR, and C
110 Brandonfs88 : I understand that, Just like SBN getting DC9s during game weekends, but there are quite a few skiing competitions that happen in the UP along with ho
111 DaufuskieGuy : I thought DL was getting rid of their existing ATR fleet - that is the reason they gave for cancelling HHH service. Regardless, we would love to see
112 NWAESC : I may be way off, but I seem to remember there being some sort of financial incentive from the city to make one of the CMX trips a CRJ...
113 KingAir200 : CMX can run pretty full in the fall and early spring due to traffic from Michigan Tech University, which might be part of it.
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