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SQ Reduces Capacity To SFO And Other Changes  
User currently offlineAsianguy767 From Singapore, joined Oct 2003, 263 posts, RR: 0
Posted (5 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 15348 times:

Wef 12Jan09 SQ2 SIN-HKG-SFO will be 'downgraded' to a B777-300ER from the current B747-400, frequency remains as daily ops.

Wef 4Feb09 CPT will no longer be a nonstop service from SIN but go via JNB instead, frequency remains unchanged for both cities.

Possible changes to AUH & JED ops as well as KHI/LHE ops....

Some flights to BLR & MAA will be cut, affected flights are the low demand day departures from SIN.

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User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39884 posts, RR: 74
Reply 1, posted (5 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 15354 times:

Darn that sucks.  Sad
I like seeing their 747s here at SFO.
I hope they return their 747s or bring their A380s here at some point.



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User currently offlineJfk777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 8374 posts, RR: 7
Reply 2, posted (5 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 15116 times:
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Quoting Superfly (Reply 1):
Darn that sucks.
I like seeing their 747s here at SFO.
I hope they return their 747s or bring their A380s here at some point

SFO-HKG-SIN is supposed to be the next A380 route from Singapore Airlines.


User currently offlineKaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 12468 posts, RR: 37
Reply 3, posted (5 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 15110 times:



Quoting Asianguy767 (Thread starter):
Wef 12Jan09 SQ2 SIN-HKG-SFO will be 'downgraded' to a B777-300ER from the current B747-400, frequency remains as daily ops.

I know, in capacity terms, that's seen as a downgrade, but given that the passenger appeal of the 77W will be considerably higher than the 744, that will probably be a popular move.

Quoting Jfk777 (Reply 2):
SFO-HKG-SIN is supposed to be the next A380 route from Singapore Airlines.

Probably unlikely now, for the time being?


User currently offlineKELPkid From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 6385 posts, RR: 3
Reply 4, posted (5 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 15074 times:



Quoting Asianguy767 (Thread starter):
Wef 12Jan09 SQ2 SIN-HKG-SFO will be 'downgraded' to a B777-300ER from the current B747-400, frequency remains as daily ops.

Wow, didn't see that one coming. When I flew SQ1/SQ2, every seat in Y was filled between SFO and HKG both ways.

Quoting Kaitak (Reply 3):


I know, in capacity terms, that's seen as a downgrade, but given that the passenger appeal of the 77W will be considerably higher than the 744, that will probably be a popular move.

Huh? The 744 gives you the legendary big 747 windows...other than the 777 style overhead bins, if you're in economy, there's not much of a look and feel difference between the two types (can't vouch for higher classes  Smile ).

I thought (and someone please correct me if I'm wrong), that belly cargo was one of the biggest reasons that a 744 is used on the route...doesn't the 744 hold more than the 777-300?

Also, how will now having ETOPS considerations change the eastbound routing? While watching the in-flight map, it seemed that eastbound, we flew over a whole lot of nothing  Wink



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User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39884 posts, RR: 74
Reply 5, posted (5 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 14924 times:



Quoting Jfk777 (Reply 2):
SFO-HKG-SIN is supposed to be the next A380 route from Singapore Airlines.

When will that happen?



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User currently offlineKELPkid From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 6385 posts, RR: 3
Reply 6, posted (5 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 14831 times:



Quoting Superfly (Reply 5):
Quoting Jfk777 (Reply 2):
SFO-HKG-SIN is supposed to be the next A380 route from Singapore Airlines.

When will that happen?

The a.net rumor was that it was supposed to have already happened by now, but that SQ chose at the last minute to instead change the second daily LHR-SIN flight over to the A380. It will require at least two more A380's to be delivered for SQ to maintain A380 service frequency on all existing A380 routes plus start SFO-HKG-SIN on the A380.



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User currently offlineLambert747 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (5 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 14777 times:



Quoting Asianguy767 (Thread starter):
Wef 12Jan09 SQ2 SIN-HKG-SFO will be 'downgraded' to a B777-300ER from the current B747-400, frequency remains as daily ops.

CX is due to operate their newer 77W on HKG-SFO when enough frames are made available, this is an advanced move ahead of CX.


User currently offlineFrigatebird From Netherlands, joined Jun 2008, 1605 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (5 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 14618 times:



Quoting KELPkid (Reply 4):
I thought (and someone please correct me if I'm wrong), that belly cargo was one of the biggest reasons that a 744 is used on the route...doesn't the 744 hold more than the 777-300?

No, it actually is the other way around. And with the bigger range of the 77W, it can actually use its larger cargo hold on this route. So this may even be one of the reasons for the equipment change, although I don't rule out this change is seasonal. Talking about range, didn't the 744 need a fuel stop when the winds were unfavorably strong?



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User currently offlineCol From Malaysia, joined Nov 2003, 2116 posts, RR: 22
Reply 9, posted (5 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 14539 times:



Quoting KELPkid (Reply 4):
Huh? The 744 gives you the legendary big 747 windows...other than the 777 style overhead bins, if you're in economy, there's not much of a look and feel difference between the two types (can't vouch for higher classes ).

There is a big difference in economy, more leg room, much better IFE, better blankets/pillows, etc etc. The 77W/380 product in economy is the best out there. The 744 is badly showing its age.

I would guess that lack of 380 frames is a little to blame for this move, the 77W is the only thing available to beat the competition - exception being UA who have no competition in the dire criteria. Big grin


User currently offlineBlr2Syr From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 68 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (5 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 14381 times:



Quoting Asianguy767 (Thread starter):

Some flights to BLR & MAA will be cut, affected flights are the low demand day departures from SIN.

I hear BLR-SIN is a bloodbath with SQ,AI/IA, Tiger on this route


User currently offlineEx_SQer From United States of America, joined Apr 2002, 1436 posts, RR: 5
Reply 11, posted (5 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 14376 times:



Quoting Asianguy767 (Thread starter):
Wef 12Jan09 SQ2 SIN-HKG-SFO will be 'downgraded' to a B777-300ER from the current B747-400, frequency remains as daily ops.

They're gonna need 2-3 aircraft for this, and IIRC there is only one 77W delivery left (and even then the delivery date is in doubt due to the difficulties at Boeing). So, what 77W routes are going to be pulled?

Quoting KELPkid (Reply 4):
I thought (and someone please correct me if I'm wrong), that belly cargo was one of the biggest reasons that a 744 is used on the route...doesn't the 744 hold more than the 777-300

Nope. The 77W is a longer aircraft. Add the lower density pax configuration (=fewer bags) and you get more cargo capacity.


User currently offlineSingapore_Air From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2000, 13742 posts, RR: 19
Reply 12, posted (5 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 14330 times:



Quoting Ex_SQer (Reply 11):
So, what 77W routes are going to be pulled?

The daily 830 was to be B77W but that was just shelved so I suppose that's one B77W (though could it be related by SWT being stuck at PAE)?

A quick check shows that the 217 has changed to B744 but it seems only for the Chinese New Year peak.

The other B77Ws seem in place.



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User currently offlineNicholaschee From Australia, joined Oct 2005, 661 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (5 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 14280 times:

Good move by SQ upping the product offered on SIN-HKG-SFO.

User currently offlineJfk777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 8374 posts, RR: 7
Reply 14, posted (5 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 14171 times:
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Quoting Kaitak (Reply 3):
Quoting Jfk777 (Reply 2):
SFO-HKG-SIN is supposed to be the next A380 route from Singapore Airlines.

Probably unlikely now, for the time being?

The route was supposed to be A380 in April or May 2008, now who knows when.


User currently offlineReality From United States of America, joined Apr 2007, 490 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (5 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 14054 times:



Quoting Asianguy767 (Thread starter):
Wef 12Jan09 SQ2 SIN-HKG-SFO will be 'downgraded' to a B777-300ER from the current B747-400



Quoting Lambert747 (Reply 7):
CX is due to operate their newer 77W on HKG-SFO when enough frames are made available, this is an advanced move ahead of CX.



Quoting Nicholaschee (Reply 13):
Good move by SQ upping the product offered on SIN-HKG-SFO.

So, is this a "downgrade," or an "upgrade?"

It goes from 375 passengers on the 747 to 278 passengers on the 777. Calling this an upgrade sound a little bit like spin to me.


User currently offlineKELPkid From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 6385 posts, RR: 3
Reply 16, posted (5 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 14010 times:



Quoting Reality (Reply 15):
So, is this a "downgrade," or an "upgrade?"

It goes from 375 passengers on the 747 to 278 passengers on the 777. Calling this an upgrade sound a little bit like spin to me.

It depends. It's a capacity downgrade for sure, but the cabin amenities in the newest 77W's are on par, apparently, with SQ's A380s (well, apart from the "Class above first" thing...)  spin 



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User currently offlineNicholaschee From Australia, joined Oct 2005, 661 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (5 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 14004 times:



Quoting Reality (Reply 15):

So, is this a "downgrade," or an "upgrade?"

It goes from 375 passengers on the 747 to 278 passengers on the 777. Calling this an upgrade sound a little bit like spin to me.

It's definitely a downgrade in capacity - 12/50/313 (744) to 8/42/228 (77W)

For passengers who cashed in F redemptions or bought F tickets hoping for R class on later dates, it will be a downgrade for them IMHO.

Look at it this way, currently the B744 on the route offers the SkySuite for F and SpaceBed for J; with the 77W, passengers will be getting the new F/J/Y product. This is definitely an upgrade.

[Edited 2008-10-13 16:49:17]

User currently offlineTreeHillRavens From Malaysia, joined Jun 2007, 398 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (5 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 13981 times:



Quoting Frigatebird (Reply 8):
No, it actually is the other way around. And with the bigger range of the 77W, it can actually use its larger cargo hold on this route. So this may even be one of the reasons for the equipment change, although I don't rule out this change is seasonal. Talking about range, didn't the 744 need a fuel stop when the winds were unfavorably strong?

Correct. And SQ is making a big fortune from cargo on this route. The A380 doesn't have a very big cargo hold while the 77W can haul a lot more cargo than 744 and 388, so 77W for this route seems like the perfect fit.

Quoting Reality (Reply 15):
It goes from 375 passengers on the 747 to 278 passengers on the 777. Calling this an upgrade sound a little bit like spin to me.

It definitely is a huge upgrade in terms of cabin comfort.


User currently offlineLambert747 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (5 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 13966 times:



Quoting Reality (Reply 15):
So, is this a "downgrade," or an "upgrade?"

It is a onboard product upgrade, it is a capacity downgrade.

Quoting Reality (Reply 15):
It goes from 375 passengers on the 747 to 278 passengers on the 777. Calling this an upgrade sound a little bit like spin to me.

It is a onboard product upgrade, it is a capacity downgrade.

744
12P 50J 313Y

77W
8P 42J 228Y

In reality this is a winning situation for SQ until the A380 can be flown on SQ1/2. As can be seen the less Y capacity is the better on such a long-haul as SFO-HKG. SQ1/2 is one of the most prolific performers in the SQ system. In addition the loss of only 4P seats and 8J seats is nothing to worry about. These are slim times for the USA. SQ is very smart to stump the amount of seats in the market. Remember also that SQ dumped the Y+ seating on the A345, and LAX-TPE-SIN has terminated. SQ is adjusting to the market changes and maintaining its competitive edge. The 77W is a much, much better product than the 744 for long-haul service. The next on the block, as the rumor mill goes to get the adjustment from the 744 to 77W is SQ 25/26.


User currently offlineSpeedbird0125 From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 184 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (5 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 13471 times:

what about SIN-ICN-SFO? Is it going to stay with 77W?

User currently offlineKaitak744 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 2377 posts, RR: 3
Reply 21, posted (5 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 13135 times:



Quoting Speedbird0125 (Reply 20):
what about SIN-ICN-SFO? Is it going to stay with 77W?

That is a good question. Their 777-300ER usage as of now is very tight. They may be downgrading another 777-300ER route in order to fly SIN-HKG-SFO with the 77W.

19 777-300ER
SIN-ICN-SFO (2 aircraft)
SIN-MEL (1 aircraft)
SIN-SYD (1 aircraft)
SIN-AKL (1 aircraft)
SIN-HKG (1 aircraft)
SIN-PEK (1 aircraft)
SIN-PVG (1 aircraft) (route to be flown when 19th aircraft is delivered)
SIN-BOM (1 aircraft)
SIN-DEL (1 aircraft)
SIN-ZRH (2 aircraft)
SIN-ZRH (2 aircraft)
SIN-FRA (2 aircraft)
SIN-CDG (2 aircraft)
SIN-CDG (3x weekly) (1 aircraft)
SIN-DME-IAH (4x weekly) (2 aircraft)

(Numbers do not add up to 19 aircraft. However, some routes like HKG, BOM, DEL can be done by the same aircraft in the same day)


User currently offlineLambert747 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (5 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 13045 times:



Quoting Kaitak744 (Reply 21):
That is a good question. Their 777-300ER usage as of now is very tight. They may be downgrading another 777-300ER route in order to fly SIN-HKG-SFO with the 77W.

19 777-300ER
SIN-ICN-SFO (2 aircraft)
SIN-MEL (1 aircraft)
SIN-SYD (1 aircraft)
SIN-AKL (1 aircraft)
SIN-HKG (1 aircraft)
SIN-PEK (1 aircraft)
SIN-PVG (1 aircraft) (route to be flown when 19th aircraft is delivered)
SIN-BOM (1 aircraft)
SIN-DEL (1 aircraft)
SIN-ZRH (2 aircraft)
SIN-ZRH (2 aircraft)
SIN-FRA (2 aircraft)
SIN-CDG (2 aircraft)
SIN-CDG (3x weekly) (1 aircraft)
SIN-DME-IAH (4x weekly) (2 aircraft)

Add:

SIN-MXP-BCN (2 aircraft) 77W Daily Service


User currently onlineRedChili From Norway, joined Jul 2005, 2284 posts, RR: 4
Reply 23, posted (5 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 12982 times:



Quoting Kaitak744 (Reply 21):
SIN-ZRH (2 aircraft)
SIN-ZRH (2 aircraft)

One of many problems with your scheme:

The double-daily SIN-ZRH can easily be flown by three airplanes, with time to spare:

SIN-ZRH 0105 - 0745
ZRH-SIN 1205 - 0610+1
SIN-ZRH 1355+1 - 2035+1
ZRH-SIN 2205+1 - 1610+2



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User currently offlineWingedMigrator From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 2213 posts, RR: 56
Reply 24, posted (5 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 12455 times:



Quoting Lambert747 (Reply 19):
It is a onboard product upgrade, it is a capacity downgrade.

To be more specific, it's a seating capacity downgrade but a payload upgrade. People tend to focus on size and number of seats, but the 77W can carry 5% more payload than the 744 over that stage length (including nearly double the cargo), and do it using about 25% less fuel per unit of payload (i.e. about 20% less trip fuel).

It is an onboard product upgrade
It is a seating capacity downgrade
It is a huge cargo capacity upgrade
It is a total payload capacity upgrade
It is a huge fuel efficiency upgrade

Overall I'd call it a significant upgrade. The 77W has been eating the 744's lunch with several operators lately, and for good reason. The 77W is an under-appreciated performer, even here on a.net where the substitution is often explained away as a "downgauge," thus missing the whole point.


25 Nimish : GDS schedules indicate that SQ is stopping it's day time SQ500/SQ501 SIN-BLR service in 2009. However the evening flight seems to be permanently a 773
26 Ikramerica : The 777 also has wider seats on SQ, 1.5" wider. Which is a big difference. SQ is retiring all their 744s in favor of A380s and 77Ws, so they have to
27 Astuteman : I think this has more to do with revenue vs. cost than capacity. When you look at the seating plans, by far the biggest reduction is in Y. So the rev
28 Olympic472 : Another reason for the switch is because United is now flying their new config 744 on SFO-HKG-SIN. In Business Class they are true flat 180 seats vs S
29 SQ452 : Passenger Capacity Downgrade, Passenger Comfort Upgrade for sure. I look forward to taking this flight, although I'm sure the demand on the route is g
30 Coal : Great news for SFO! Now I can upgrade on this route and sleep in the new Biz seats rather than on the old Spacebeds. A good move IMO. Cheers Coal
31 Stargold : Well, it works if you don't mind paying them the 2x mileage required to upgrade on a 77W cabin... Meanwhile, other people are perfectly happy with th
32 Yellowtail : Guess no news is good news on IAH.....guess they are going to stick it out until CO ascension into *A
33 Airbazar : SFO is a "downgrade" in passenger capacity only and most of this reduction is in the Y cabin. The 77W is SQ's premium flagship. It has the newest cabi
34 WingedMigrator : I beg your pardon?
35 OyKIE : But isn't the windows in the 777 larger than on the 747? IIRC one selling point for Boeing for their new 747-8i has been that they will have the larg
36 AznMadSci : I was thinking the same thing! Those 77Ws are a beautiful plane!
37 Olympic472 : In Business class SQ's 773ER is less 8 seats ~15% (42 seats on the 773 vs 50 on the 744). In First class SQ's 773ER is less 4 seats ~33% (8 seats on
38 Reality : To say nothing of 26% (97) fewer seats in economy. Exactly, that is the question. Was the main purpose of the switch from 747 to 777 because of overc
39 Doona : Question: Are all six aircraft deployed on the three routes currently served? Assuming that the SYD and NRT routes only require one aircraft each, do
40 Lambert747 : Back to reality.. UA at no, absolute no point drive this move. SQ has had a very loyal following in the SF market for decades, and that has absolutel
41 KELPkid : And Ironically, UA feeds much of the US domestic traffic connecting to/from SQ1/SQ2 If you call SQ's US reservations number and book a flight from a
42 LAXintl : As Lambert747 states United had nothing to do with this. The facts are that while both are in Star, each carrier very much go about running their own
43 Lambert747 : Porbably, because most of us that have flown SQ and that route in particular know the night and day difference between the UA TPac product and the SQ
44 Airbazar : Unless I missed something, the 744's still have the old product while the 77W's and A380 have the new product. Ok, the A380 could be considered SQ's
45 Lambert747 : The 77W product in classes is the exact same as the A380 with the exception of the P Suites on the A380. Remember in either case that the SQ product
46 Olympic472 : Yes, maybe I did not clarify. I refer only to UA's new seats. We all know the service level by the Singapore Girls are incomparable Yes, we also know
47 Nicholaschee : I worked it out on tables for the current SQ322/317 & SQ318/321 rotations. Unless I'm wrong it's possible to do the rotations with just 3 aircraft at
48 Norcal773 : This is perfect news for me. Now I don't have to always fly SQ15 just to go after the new J class and this also reduces my layover in SIN from 9 hours
49 Lambert747 : Because... As explained by myself and others in this topic the 77W is part of the SQ fleet renewal plan and SFO is so much a premium market that as a
50 Norcal773 : I am not sure what the big deal about this 180 degrees thing is. I've flown on SQ's Spacebeds a few times and I gotta tell you it is one of the most
51 Nicholaschee : There has been talk that the F/J loads on SQ2/1 have been pretty poor for the past 2 months. Overcapacity is more likely the case with the current ma
52 WingedMigrator : For possible reasons, read replies 24 and 27. The A388 is volume limited, so perhaps they couldn't use the full payload capacity. However, that can b
53 Olympic472 : Nicholaschee, thank you. This was the response I was seeking. What started as a question has now gotten all the rabid SQ fans all excited. This is no
54 123 : Thank you, will see you in C on 24OCT BCN/MXP/SIN !
55 Astuteman : It isn't quite false either. On this particular mission, which is comfortably outside the 77W's maximum payload range (5 500Nm) the 77W will take a f
56 DocLightning : Woah woah woah, I'm confused. The 773 was designed to carry about as many pax as a 742. In fact, Boeing advertises 365 seats in the 77W. Now, I know
57 Norcal773 : Thanks guys, that makes sense actually. Yeah, the 77W's F and J classes are on a 1-2-1 lay-out compared to the 744's 2-3-2.
58 DocLightning : So much more of the plane is F/J class than on the 744. OK. That makes sense. Because most carriers are deciding that since the 744 and the 77W are w
59 Norcal773 : Exactly. J class on SQ's 77W extends to more than half the length of the aircraft. A good example is AF and KLM. Their 77W are packed with economy se
60 Yellowtail : So does anyone have info on the IAH flight...since the retiming have loads improved?
61 Maxisno1 : Nice move by SQ! The 777 is a favorite of mine, and they are very popular here - NZ, EK, SQ, KE, MH & TG are using them - all of which I've flown! The
62 FlyDreamliner : I have serious doubts that we'll see SQ downgrade SIN-ICN-SFO after downgrading the SFO flight through HKG. If anything, the ICN flight will see a li
63 Lambert747 : SQ wipes the floor clean in the SFO-ICN market in P and J. KE, and OZ have a very hard time competing to get a foot hold in the paid P and J cabins b
64 Norcal773 : You're right it wouldn't make sense after downgrading capacity-wise on SQ1/2. They also do quite well with the 77W on SQ 15/16 via ICN which they've
65 Airbazar : Makes sense. IIRC, all 744's are supposed to be gone by the end of 2009, hence why their cabins are not getting upgraded.
66 Norcal773 : The 744's are supposed to stick around until 2011 or 2012 according to SQ. They still have about 17-18 left.
67 Lambert747 : That may make even more sense since SQ dropped SIN-TPE-LAX and is now down to only SIN-LAX with the A345 and the SIN-NRT-LAX flight, which is another
68 Post contains links Olympic472 : This news from The Business Times may shed some light to this thread. They sometimes require a log-in to access: http://www.businesstimes.com.sg/sub/.
69 Lambert747 : Neither figure would be enough to have SQ downgrade at a moments notice. Again it has nothing to do with UA, as some would like to believe. Nor does
70 Viscount724 : Many airlines interline with and can check-in and print boarding passes on connecting carriers other than alliance or codeshare partners.
71 Nicholaschee : 2011. Only 14 744s left at the moment. 9V-SPB was removed from the operational fleet last month. Going to LY.
72 Ex_SQer : With a rotation of 42 hours and 6 hours at base (as per current schedule for SQ1/2), you can certainly run the route with 2 aircraft running back and
73 Norcal773 : Haha well said sir.
74 Norcal773 : I was in SFO last night around 10PM and I saw an SQ 747 parked at the gate. Have they not switched to the 77W like the thread starter stated?
75 Norcal773 : LOL... I guess I need to wake up. I could have sworn I read on this thread that the change had already been done.
76 Post contains links Lightsaber : Considering how the SFO market lives and dies off venture capital, I'm not surprised this credit crunch has finally caught up to the bay area. Califo
77 Astuteman : By my calcs, the 80m frame should have about the same cargo space as the 773... Of course, your dream-machine would blow that away..... Rgds
78 EPA001 : That would be the 85+ meter A380-1000?
79 Astuteman : 87m+, I presume..... Mr. Lightsaber doesn't do half measures (Although that might change now he's a dad.... ) Rgds
80 Post contains links Thomasphoto60 : According to a report at IAH Spotters, Sept's numbers were horrid, somewhere in the 305 range. Most were of the opinion that this was due in part to
81 Thomasphoto60 : That should read, 30% range. Thomas
82 Lightsaber : Daddyhood doesn't impact A380 economics. When I look at the A380, its capabilities and the market... Udvar-Hazy's 85m is the starting point. Due to a
83 Astuteman : I can guarantee it will impact yours..... Be interesting to see if the MTOW limits get "pussed".. Your 87m+ machine would definitely encourage that,
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