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User currently offlineBrilondon From Canada, joined Aug 2005, 4226 posts, RR: 1
Posted (5 years 11 months 1 week 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 11195 times:

I was wondering if the current downturn economically speaking would impact the New Heathrow East and what is the currenyt status of that project.


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User currently offlineEDICHC From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (5 years 11 months 1 week 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 11162 times:

Very little change in plans I would think. Heathrow east was needed 10 years ago! T1 & 2 are creaking and crumbling. Heathrow east is a long term plan and is unlikely to be affected by currrent events in the markets I think.

User currently offlineNicholaschee From Australia, joined Oct 2005, 661 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (5 years 11 months 1 week 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 11147 times:

Regardless of the economic situation, Heathrow East will have to be built. Maybe at a slower pace of construction.

User currently offlineGlom From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2005, 2818 posts, RR: 10
Reply 3, posted (5 years 11 months 1 week 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 10996 times:

It's already under construction. There is a jungle gym now situated at the mouth of the K (?) cul-de-sac at T1, which has been closed since March. This is the first part. One of the piers I think.

Plans shouldn't be affected. Just like T5 was approved in the midst of the post 9/11 downturn, East will continue because by the time it's ready, things will been on the mend again.


User currently offlineDLPhoenix From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 419 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (5 years 11 months 1 week 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 10968 times:

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User currently offlineUAL777UK From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2005, 3356 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (5 years 11 months 1 week 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 10917 times:

Doesn't T2 need to be demolished first and is that not on the cards for happening fairly shortly?

User currently offlineGlom From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2005, 2818 posts, RR: 10
Reply 6, posted (5 years 11 months 1 week 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 10795 times:



Quoting UAL777UK (Reply 5):
Doesn't T2 need to be demolished first and is that not on the cards for happening fairly shortly?

For the building itself yes. But the terminal includes a giant sweeping pier that will extend across the old CTA. No cul de-sacs though, which is good. I think the Jungle Jim is part of that pier.


User currently offlineScouseflyer From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2006, 3390 posts, RR: 9
Reply 7, posted (5 years 11 months 1 week 4 days ago) and read 10602 times:



Quoting Glom (Reply 6):
For the building itself yes. But the terminal includes a giant sweeping pier that will extend across the old CTA

Isn't it going to extend so far out it crosses the old closed "cross-wind" runway?

On a related point, I wonder what they're going to call it as replacing terminals 1 and 2 with one larger one means that 3,4,5 then are wrongly named?


User currently offlineGlom From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2005, 2818 posts, RR: 10
Reply 8, posted (5 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 10555 times:



Quoting Scouseflyer (Reply 7):
Isn't it going to extend so far out it crosses the old closed "cross-wind" runway?

Yes. The crosswind runway is defunct and has been broken up over the last year as taxiways on the Eastern apron have been rearranged.

Quoting Scouseflyer (Reply 7):
On a related point, I wonder what they're going to call it as replacing terminals 1 and 2 with one larger one means that 3,4,5 then are wrongly named?

Yeah I was thinking that? I was thinking that perhaps The new one would be called Heathrow East, T5 would become Heathrow West, T4 would becomes Heathrow South, and T3 would become Heathrow Central. If the third runway did come, complete with a new terminal, that could be called Heathrow North.


User currently offlineCXfirst From Norway, joined Jan 2007, 3068 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (5 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 10498 times:



Quoting Glom (Reply 8):
Yeah I was thinking that? I was thinking that perhaps The new one would be called Heathrow East, T5 would become Heathrow West, T4 would becomes Heathrow South, and T3 would become Heathrow Central. If the third runway did come, complete with a new terminal, that could be called Heathrow North.

I completly agree. That would be a good system.

However,

1. How much confusement would there be for passengers, will they for example start calling T5, Heathrow Terminal 5/West so that they do not confuse passengers until most think of it as Heathrow West?

2. After the (maybe future) Heathrow North is built, how will they name new terminals, if they need them in the future, Terminal South-East, etc? Would think that they'd need to change the names again, which again would create confusement.

-CXfirst



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User currently offlineBrilondon From Canada, joined Aug 2005, 4226 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (5 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 10480 times:



Quoting Scouseflyer (Reply 7):
On a related point, I wonder what they're going to call it as replacing terminals 1 and 2 with one larger one means that 3,4,5 then are wrongly named?

In Toronto they solved that problem by not doing anything. There are three terminals now T-1, T-3, and the midfield terminal which is not actually used for anything except for servicing aircraft that are on a turnaround.



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User currently onlineVV701 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2005, 7533 posts, RR: 17
Reply 11, posted (5 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 10415 times:

What confusion would arise if we had T3, T4, T5 and Heathrow East and no T1 and T2?

If you renumber the terminals many passengersa are certain to be confused, go to the wrong terminal and some will miss their flights.

If you rename all the terminals without using numbers a few passengers will get confused and some of them miss their flights.

If you keep the current 'names' and call Heathrow East . . . Well, how about "Heathrow East", very few would be confused and very few if any would miss their flights.

Alternatively if you insist on numbers you could call Heathrow East "T1" (which is what it is today), have no T2 and call T3 "T3", T4 "T4", T5 "T5" and, hopefully, T6 "T6". Those who know the airport would know there was no T2. Those who are not so familiar with the airport would not be directed to T2 and would not know that T2 did not exist. But would that really matter?


User currently offlineGlom From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2005, 2818 posts, RR: 10
Reply 12, posted (5 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 10339 times:



Quoting CXfirst (Reply 9):
1. How much confusement would there be for passengers, will they for example start calling T5, Heathrow Terminal 5/West so that they do not confuse passengers until most think of it as Heathrow West?

I'm sure it wouldn't be the first time an airport has renamed its terminals. Hell, T2 used to be called the Europa building and T3 used to be called the Oceanic Terminal. I agree there would be a management of change issue. An advanced rollout would be necessary. Those adverts of the Picadilly line trains for example about knowing your terminal at LHR, they could be changed out with adverts notifying the public of this change many months in advance.

Quoting VV701 (Reply 11):
What confusion would arise if we had T3, T4, T5 and Heathrow East and no T1 and T2?

I agree that is perfectly serviceable. But it does look a bit hodge podge. From a branding standpoint, making things look integrated is important. BAA are trying to claim that the work they are doing (and I do think it is good work despite the occasional embarassing cock up) is about making "a new airport for London". Hodge podge describes the old Heathrow.


User currently offlineHeathrow From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2005, 979 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (5 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 10318 times:



Quoting Scouseflyer (Reply 7):

On a related point, I wonder what they're going to call it as replacing terminals 1 and 2 with one larger one means that 3,4,5 then are wrongly named?

We at YYZ when they demolished T2 and put in a new T1, they didn't rename T3, so we have T1 and T3 with not plans of building a new T2. You guys may just be out of luck!


User currently offlineSKAirbus From Norway, joined Oct 2007, 1737 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (5 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 10153 times:

Well at ARN they only have T2-3-4-5 ... No Terminal 1, hehe


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User currently offline8herveg From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2006, 1197 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (5 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 10012 times:



Quoting CXfirst (Reply 9):
After the (maybe future) Heathrow North is built, how will they name new terminals, if they need them in the future, Terminal South-East, etc? Would think that they'd need to change the names again, which again would create confusement.

I think you are looking far too into the future. If a sixth terminal is built, it's not going to be for about another 20 years once it is complete, by which time, they could revert Heathrow East, West, Central etc, back to T1, T2, T3, T4....even if the numbers do not go back to what they used to be numbered.


User currently offlineGlom From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2005, 2818 posts, RR: 10
Reply 16, posted (5 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 9738 times:



Quoting SKAirbus (Reply 14):
If a sixth terminal is built, it's not going to be for about another 20 years once it is complete, by which time, they could revert Heathrow East, West, Central etc, back to T1, T2, T3, T4....even if the numbers do not go back to what they used to be numbered.

A good point. A sixth terminal as Heathrow North will do fine for a while. By the time a seventh comes along, monkeys will have overtaken the Earth.


User currently offlineBwaflyer From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2004, 689 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (5 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 9355 times:

Currently there is a gantry extending from T1 round the front of T2 about 20-30 ft in the air which I guess will have some sort of wall attached to it once the demolition work starts on T2. Queen's Building is pretty much empty apart from the bmi and Virgin crew centres. Don't know Virgin's plans, but bmi's new crew centre is under construction in T1 and we'll be moving in the next couple of months. The area between Europier and the T1 'international' pier is under construction, and T1's check in area remodelling is nearing completion. I think T2 starts to get knocked down next year.

User currently offlineNed Kelly From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2001, 410 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (5 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 8953 times:

The East, West, South & Central names do seem to be the most sensible from the suggestions above. However, being a cynic and with BAA's past policy of maximising revenue via advertising, I wouldn't be at all suprised to see the terminals having a sponsor and renamed for example the "Rebok Terminal", "HSBC Terminal" or the "McDonalds Terminal" etc. SImilar to the way Fottball grounds in the UK have been renamed after the sponsor. Anyone else got any name suggestions?

User currently offlineBrilondon From Canada, joined Aug 2005, 4226 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (5 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 8919 times:



Quoting Ned Kelly (Reply 18):
The East, West, South & Central names do seem to be the most sensible from the suggestions above. However, being a cynic and with BAA's past policy of maximising revenue via advertising, I wouldn't be at all suprised to see the terminals having a sponsor and renamed for example the "Rebok Terminal", "HSBC Terminal" or the "McDonalds Terminal" etc. SImilar to the way Fottball grounds in the UK have been renamed after the sponsor. Anyone else got any name suggestions?

The names should go to Reebok, Nike, Adidas's, and Converse since you will have to run to catch your connecting flight. Big grin



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User currently onlineVV701 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2005, 7533 posts, RR: 17
Reply 20, posted (5 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 8736 times:



Quoting Ned Kelly (Reply 18):
The East, West, South & Central names do seem to be the most sensible from the suggestions above.

Except, of coiurse, that both "East" and "Central" will be located in what is today Heathrow Central.


User currently offlineGilesdavies From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2003, 3024 posts, RR: 2
Reply 21, posted (5 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 8605 times:

I don't have the magazine to hand, but in Airliner World a month or two ago it stated how Heathrow East was suffering from delays was supposed to be complete for the 2012 Olympics and this is now highly unlikely...

Dates that are being banded about for completion, are 2013-2015!


User currently offlineLeezyjet From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2001, 4042 posts, RR: 53
Reply 22, posted (5 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 8593 times:

I heard that HE now won't be ready in time for the 2012 Olympics due to the T5 delays earlier in the year (and the fact this is being built in Britain with 9-5 M-F builders and 2 hours off for lunch, and several tea breaks per hour)

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User currently offlineSuperhub From Hong Kong, joined Jan 2006, 478 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (5 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 8504 times:

Perhaps they could do it like JFK. Name the combined terminals as, say, T1-2. Like what has happened / will happen to T8-9 and T5-6 at JFK.

User currently offlineSKAirbus From Norway, joined Oct 2007, 1737 posts, RR: 1
Reply 24, posted (5 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 8359 times:



Quoting Leezyjet (Reply 22):
I heard that HE now won't be ready in time for the 2012 Olympics due to the T5 delays earlier in the year (and the fact this is being built in Britain with 9-5 M-F builders and 2 hours off for lunch, and several tea breaks per hour)

Despite initial teething problems after opening, Terminal 5 was built to budget and on time...  Smile We forget about this achievement because of all the crap that occured after opening...

So it can be done!



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25 Theginge : I somehow don't think BA will want to re name Terminal 5 to anything else.
26 UAL777UK : Your probably right but I like the name " Speedbird Terminal"......never going to happen I know.
27 Afriwing : Has anyone seen plans for the apron areas? How will AC taxi between north and south runways If HE occupies what is now the connecting taxiways? will
28 Glom : Yes they're all on AIS. There is quite a sizeable amount of room on the Eastern apron. Remember the crosswind runway used to be there. Mobility aroun
29 Glom : See I was wondering if they might want to given events. Unfair as it may be in the eyes of people who see T5 is working well now, the national humili
30 Speedbird2155 : As someone who works in T5, it was anything but on time and on budget as BAA likes to project. Numerous lifts not working at the start....and for mon
31 Fcogafa : That 'little alley' consists of dual taxiways, at least one of which is A380 sized. As for Heathrow East, new taxiways are being built and aircraft w
32 CXfirst : I guess so, think I was starting to get too exited on the prospect of new terminals at LHR! -CXfirst
33 Afriwing : Yeah true, but for an airport the size of LHR with a take off and landing every 1 minute these taxiways are surely not enough to serve traffic to and
34 ManchesterMAN : I always believed "Heathrow East" to be a working title and once opened it would be called Terminal 1. When the next terminal is built in 50 years tha
35 Airrail : can you tell me where the 2hr tea breaks are , i have worked at lhr for the past 8 years on t5 ,t5c and now south east taxiway,which by the way we ar
36 Post contains links Theginge : I have seen plans and there will still be taxiways east, that run North to South, similar to how they are layed out in T5. Have a look at http://www.
37 Glom : That rendering always looks a little weird. BAA are anticipated for a start that only An-225s will be use at LHR.
38 Afriwing : Many thanks. I see, it's the terminal's satellite that overlaps the crosswind runway not the whole building. Looks quite tidy Now T3 looks like a dum
39 Madairdrie : The things you list are fairly minor and standard in a new building of this size! It was one time as the doors opened the day they said they would, p
40 UAL777UK : What are the plans for T3 and the gate areas? I am so glad UA is now in T1, at least you have some facilities near the gates to buy a drink etc. You
41 Brilondon : Huh!? I was there two weeks ago and found they had vending machines just like T-1 and way better then T-2. Anyways why are you leaving the shopping m
42 Post contains links Kaitak744 : Answer: Heathrow is designed in a way such that all passengers stay in a common waiting area before flight. Answer: the outer pier (which is adjacent
43 Glom : Thanks Kaitak for the picture. It can't quite make out the detail. I'm looking to the former taxiway K (?) where I know there is a new jungle gym.
44 Kaitak744 : I am sorry, but what do you mean by that?
45 Rivet42 : I find the whole 'Heathrow East' concept highly frustrating. It seems that BAA are addicted to a strategy of disparate development, the result of whic
46 LHR27C : Errr, no satellites or any such thing are being built presently, they are just realigning taxiways and introducing some new north/south stands. Heath
47 Kaitak744 : Well, I found a more current picture, on jetphotos.net, which does in fact show the construction of a new concourse. For now, that concourse (only a
48 Glom : Someone doesn't like modern architecture? I think they're done realigned taxiways for the time being. There used to be an AIP supplement informing pi
49 Afriwing : Agree that AMS is a great concept. But trying to copy that model at LHR will be too costly and disruptive. The new Heathrow East and T3 are close eno
50 Fcogafa : There will be a LOT of taxiway changes around the 27L threshold in the next few years, of which the current work is only the first part. All they have
51 Glom : Aren't there plans to extend the underground train system into the CTA for connections?
52 Theginge : I guess you mean the Track Transit system that runs from T5A to T5B and eventually to T5C?? I would imagine they might but it might not be the same o
53 Glom : Okay, it is does look like BAA are as lame as we feared. I found a BAA document produced recently that keeps referring to Heathrow East as "New Termin
54 SKAirbus : With regards to terminal 3... now when you leave the departure lounge you can return again wihtout having to go through security once more.. this is b
55 CYatUK : The baggage transit system will be extended to T5C and also to ALL other terminals. This information comes from a detailed inteview of a BAA Manager
56 Post contains links Glom : Hang on. http://www.heathrowairport.com/asset...Static%20Files/LHR_new_airport.pdf The project there suggests the new concourse will have nothing to d
57 Theginge : I have seen plans for a baggage system that will go across T5C and then on to T3 and the other terminals in the central area. The passenger track tra
58 Kaitak744 : New photo of Heathrow East pier progress: (unfortunately on jetphotos.net) Photographer: BluemoonUK Photo: London Heathrow Int'l - EGLL Type: Airport
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