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User currently offlineVC10er From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 2941 posts, RR: 10
Posted (6 years 1 week 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 7498 times:
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After the new, beautiful LH business class seats, did UA create a better business seat? Will German's finally stop complaining about UA's business class?


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User currently offlineLufthansa From Christmas Island, joined May 1999, 3217 posts, RR: 10
Reply 1, posted (6 years 1 week 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 7292 times:

Yes, they did in a nutshell.

But they didn't do it to stop Germans complaining. If anything it was more aimed at BA and the asian airlines then it was LH.

Tell you what though, as great as that new seat looks...do they have to serve pre-take of champas in plasic cups? I mean come on, how crap does that look.


User currently offlineSOBHI51 From Saudi Arabia, joined Jun 2003, 3504 posts, RR: 17
Reply 2, posted (6 years 1 week 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 7058 times:
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How many UA planes have those new J seats?And to what destinations are they flying?


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User currently offlineUAL777UK From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2005, 3356 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (6 years 1 week 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 7016 times:



Quoting SOBHI51 (Reply 2):
How many UA planes have those new J seats?And to what destinations are they flying?

Have a look at this thread, it will help on that front.

http://www.airliners.net/aviation-fo...eneral_aviation/read.main/4171186/

Quoting Lufthansa (Reply 1):
do they have to serve pre-take of champas in plasic cups? I mean come on, how crap does that look.

Agreed but economics, weight and all that are at the forefront of the likes of UA in this day and age. Give me the new seats over real glass anyday, I have been fortunate to travel in F & J in the new seats out of LHR and I am very impressed to say the least.

Quoting Lufthansa (Reply 1):
If anything it was more aimed at BA and the asian airlines then it was LH.

Agreed, UA is not competing against LH, far from it.


User currently offlineDCAjet From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 435 posts, RR: 4
Reply 4, posted (6 years 1 week 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 6697 times:



Quoting SOBHI51 (Reply 2):
How many UA planes have those new J seats?And to what destinations are they flying

As of October 2008:

Fleet

767: 9 of 21

747: 7 of 24

777: 0 of 46

Destinations

Buenos Aires EZE
Chicago ORD
Frankfurt
Hong Kong
London LHR
Saigon
San Francisco
Singapore
Washington IAD
Zurich



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User currently offlineGlbltrvlr From United States of America, joined Oct 2007, 744 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (6 years 1 week 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 6682 times:



Quoting SOBHI51 (Reply 2):
How many UA planes have those new J seats?And to what destinations are they flying?

http://suitedreams.united.com


User currently offlineOlympic472 From United States of America, joined Jun 2008, 470 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (6 years 1 week 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 6364 times:

Yes, based on flights I made, my vote is for UA's new business seats over LH's business seats. I just wish they speed up the conversion .  Yeah sure


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User currently offlineRB211TriStar From United States of America, joined May 2007, 185 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (6 years 1 week 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 6126 times:



Quoting Olympic472 (Reply 6):
I just wish they speed up the conversion . Yeah sure

No joke! I realize its expensive and there's a lot of logistics involved... but 2010 for the 777's? Hurry up!  hissyfit  hahah


User currently offlineDCAJet From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 435 posts, RR: 4
Reply 8, posted (6 years 1 week 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 5854 times:



Quoting RB211TriStar (Reply 7):
but 2010 for the 777's?

UA does not have any spare metal right now, so during the summer season, it really is hard for them to be down a couple of airframes while they are converted. You will see conversions speed up during the low demand season and then slow down during the 09 summer.

It is is a fairly complicated conversion, involving seats, wiring, IFE, removal of lavatories (one of the two First class lavatories on the 767 is gone to make room for the new layout - I think. Fact of the matter is that F is down to one lav only moving forward.



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User currently offlineZWZWUnited From United States of America, joined Jun 2008, 197 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (6 years 1 week 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 5752 times:



Quoting Lufthansa (Reply 1):
Yes, they did in a nutshell.

YAY! UA did something right! Srsly though, these new beds look INCREDIBLY comfortable and modern. Big grin

Quoting DCAJet (Reply 8):
Fact of the matter is that F is down to one lav only moving forward.

Yikes, does this mean UA will have to start giving out complimentary bed-pans for the lie-flat beds in F?

~Tim  Smile



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User currently offlineUnited1 From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 6005 posts, RR: 9
Reply 10, posted (6 years 1 week 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 5692 times:



Quoting ZWZWUnited (Reply 9):
Quoting DCAJet (Reply 8):
Fact of the matter is that F is down to one lav only moving forward.

Yikes, does this mean UA will have to start giving out complimentary bed-pans for the lie-flat beds in F?

 Smile no, 1 lav shared by 6 F class passengers on the new configuration vs 2 shared by 10 on the old setup, its not that big of a change in ratio.



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User currently offlineDCAjet From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 435 posts, RR: 4
Reply 11, posted (6 years 1 week 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 5492 times:



Quoting United1 (Reply 10):
no, 1 lav shared by 6 F class passengers on the new configuration vs 2 shared by 10 on the old setup, its not that big of a change in ratio

Correct - and also why keep a not really needed lavatory, possibly being a potential source of corrosion? Business remains with two lavs on the 767 on a brand new cabin, and the coach cabin remains as it was since delivered new - down to that nasty floral-pattern wallpaper in the lavs. Which is really interesting, seeing F and C with new bins, seats, and coach with the old 767 interiors. Like 2 completely different planes from an interior furnishing perspective.

Rds,



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User currently offlineLambert747 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (6 years 1 week 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 5479 times:



Quoting Lufthansa (Reply 1):
But they didn't do it to stop Germans complaining. If anything it was more aimed at BA and the asian airlines then it was LH

While the new UA J seat has been shown and flown on, it has yet to overturn the comfort and the class that SQ, EK, CX, NH, DL, NZ, VS, AC, and QF in their respective new J suites as well. I would strongly argue that while everyone is so quick to say that the new UA seat is some profound new thing, it is not. The design is very similar to other airlines seats as well.

Quoting Lufthansa (Reply 1):

Tell you what though, as great as that new seat looks...do they have to serve pre-take of champas in plasic cups? I mean come on, how crap does that look.

UA can add all of the new seats that it wants. Without a severe attitude adjustment for the F/A base, and sincere attention to detail by management systemwide these new seats will do nothing for the airline. People are flocking away from UA in a time that they need to be flocking to. How many times have we heard of terrible service in-flight, or how many times have we heard of terrible service on the ground with UA.

The fundamentals at UA have to change to make the new suit a success. As it is now the new J seats on UA are nothing more than window dressing to a much larger problem.

Quoting Olympic472 (Reply 6):
Yes, based on flights I made, my vote is for UA's new business seats over LH's business seats. I just wish they speed up the conversion .

Remember to make the decision based on the on-board service and soft product as well. The seat is only half of the equation when it comes down to decision time for most people. Any airline can have the seat. It is the service behind the seat that sells the product.

Quoting United1 (Reply 10):
no, 1 lav shared by 6 F class passengers on the new configuration vs 2 shared by 10 on the old setup, its not that big of a change in ratio

You never know, just that one could be the problem passenger..  Wink


User currently offlineUAL777UK From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2005, 3356 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (6 years 1 week 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 5330 times:



Quoting Lambert747 (Reply 12):
While the new UA J seat has been shown and flown on, it has yet to overturn the comfort and the class that SQ, EK, CX, NH, DL, NZ, VS, AC, and QF in their respective new J suites as well. I would strongly argue that while everyone is so quick to say that the new UA seat is some profound new thing, it is not. The design is very similar to other airlines seats as well.

I love the way you sneak DL in there, very funny.

[quote=Lambert747,reply=12]The fundamentals at UA have to change to make the new suit a success. As it is now the new J seats on UA are nothing more than window dressing to a much larger problem.[/quote

We all know you have a chip on your shoulder about something that happened between you and UA previously, goodness only knows what it was but was it really that bad? Let me tell you something and please take this onboard........I have flown on UA's new config 767's on numerous occasions now out of LHR, F & J I can tell looking around the cabins that the passengers around me really enjoy the product and onboard service and you know what, you can tell such a difference in one basic way as well. On the new config, Passengers just chill out, enjoy the IFE, eat, sleep and basically dont bother with the FA's as opposed to on thr old configs where itas noticiable that passengers dont relax as much, maybe utilise the FA more and so on.
I have seen first hand therefore as a passenger the advances that UA have made so please dont come on here and tell me they are not making advances onboard and so on as your far from the truth.

You really confuse me as you slate UA and yet claim you flew a new config 767 to Brazil at the end of 2007 and when pushed for the tail number you could not provide it........I wonder why? Why did you fly UA in the first instance if you cannot stand them, this makes no sence to me. You make trip reports on UA/X so again I am confused.

UA as like any American carrier is going to struggle against the Asian carriers with onboard service......its one thing to have a good hard product, but the cultures are so at opposite ends of the spectrum you just cannot compare.

Happy flying


User currently offlineUnited1 From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 6005 posts, RR: 9
Reply 14, posted (6 years 1 week 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 5310 times:



Quoting DCAjet (Reply 11):
Like 2 completely different planes from an interior furnishing perspective.

Seats and bulkheads did get recovered in Y on the 767s and 747s but untill they decide what to do about international Y class they are probably not going to throw much money at it. I know the 777s were delayed due to issues with the new IFE systems in Y. Apparently the new screens can't fit in the old Y class sets so a new seat had to be designed/ordered by UA, the current rumor is that after the 777s have the new F/J/Y seats installed the 763s and possibly 744s (depending on how much longer they will be in UAs fleet) will be brought back in to have the Y seats replaced with the next generation of seats/IFE.

Quoting Lambert747 (Reply 12):
The design is very similar to other airlines seats as well.

About the only thing similar between the airlines that you mentioned J class and UAs new seat is that they are lie-flat, the seat itself was designed specifically for UA and is unique to United. It was not an off the shelf semi-customised solution like the lie flats on AC, DL, LX ect are/will be.



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User currently offlineOa260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 27110 posts, RR: 60
Reply 15, posted (6 years 1 week 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 5283 times:

UA's new J class certainly beats LH's, Like another poster I just wish they would speed up the installation. There is a way to tell if your flight will have it though by looking at the seat map.

User currently offlineLambert747 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (6 years 1 week 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 5239 times:



Quoting UAL777UK (Reply 13):

You really confuse me as you slate UA and yet claim you flew a new config 767 to Brazil at the end of 2007 and when pushed for the tail number you could not provide it........I wonder why? Why did you fly UA in the first instance if you cannot stand them, this makes no sence to me. You make trip reports on UA/X so again I am confused.

Honestly, how many people write down the tail number of their flight. Even more so when you leave GRU late at night, who has the ability to look out the window and get a clear view of the tail number?

Not that I have to, but I am going to bite on this one. The day that I flew UX SMF-LAX-PSP was because the QX flight leaves earlier in the morning and even though I was ticketed on that flight I ended up buying a UA/UX ticket at the last minute.

Quoting UAL777UK (Reply 13):
We all know you have a chip on your shoulder about something that happened between you and UA previously, goodness only knows what it was but was it really that bad? Let me tell you something and please take this onboard........I have flown on UA's new config 767's on numerous occasions now out of LHR, F & J I can tell looking around the cabins that the passengers around me really enjoy the product and onboard service and you know what, you can tell such a difference in one basic way as well.

There is no chip on my shoulder. Look back over my posts and see what I have written. I was loyal to UA for years and years. Then it became problem after problem with UA. I cannot help it if I feel this way about UA. As you can see I am certainly not the only person in this forum to have discussed the service problems with UA. I have said, as you can see earlier in this post that indeed it was good that UA finally for a replacement for the most recent J seat they offered. However I stand by my replies that without a solid attitude adjustment and employee morale boost all of this is nothing more than window dressing.

Quoting UAL777UK (Reply 13):
I love the way you sneak DL in there, very funny

DL was for reference only..

There is way, way, Way to much reading into my replies. People on this forum seem to draw lines and no one seems to every accept the fact that people can be loyal to airline A, and Airline C, and at the same time fly airline B. There is a notion on this forum more so than on other forums that once you say something negative about an airline you are against that airline, or you hold a grudge, or you hate that airline. For myself it is none of that. As I have explained time and time again I have flown UA for most of my life. In the last year a decision was made by the company that I work for to concentrate our travel on other airlines because to many of our "top brass" ended up delayed on UA, or UA was unable to deliver on the product that we purchased.

Again, dont take my words as venom or anything of that sort. I am very glad that you enjoy UA. You seem much like me a few years ago. Perhaps UA will change, however right now I have a very hard time believing in UA as a reliable and consistent product. Will UA change in the future, I hope so. At the same time I hope the best for everyone at UA. They are for the most part a very good group of people. It is the bad people, and all airlines have them, that have marred my experiences as well as others with UA to the point that UA has gone from being the first choice to the last choice.


User currently offlineZBBYLW From Canada, joined Nov 2006, 1986 posts, RR: 6
Reply 17, posted (6 years 1 week 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 4909 times:

Looking at these new seats I think AC should have REALLY gone for a style like this. I MUCH prefer the old J class seats on the 343/333s to the "cocoon" of the new ones. I am 6'5'' and having been on the new seats a dozen times or so I can truly say if the food and perks were the same I would like to fly in a bulkhead row.


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User currently offlineKSMOGeNe From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 51 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (6 years 1 week 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 4885 times:

Having just gotten off an old UA 763 from CDG-ORD, I can tell you that I'm excited for any upgrade to the interior in F and J.

Seems to me there isn't a huge difference between F and J seats in the old cabin. But I haven't used the F seat, so I'm just judging by sight.

And hopefully UA will pull through and be able to upgrade the Y IFE to on-demand. That would make my day.

And to answer the thread question, yes, I think they did. But I'm sure LH will come out with something over the next few years that will equal or trump the new UA J seats.


User currently offlineDCAjet From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 435 posts, RR: 4
Reply 19, posted (6 years 1 week 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 4877 times:



Quoting Lambert747 (Reply 12):
UA can add all of the new seats that it wants. Without a severe attitude adjustment for the F/A base, and sincere attention to detail by management systemwide these new seats will do nothing for the airline

A lot of United bashing goes on these boards, but, IMHO, as a Global Services MP member, I am yet to encounter that supposed horrible attitude of UA's staff. Gimme a break, it is exactly the same on AA or DL for that matter (I don't fly CO, US or NW so I'll pass on judging them and their staff). I have been always treated with courtesy and respect, and when those inevitables snaffus happen, UA has, for the most part, gone above and beyond to make me feel like they cared about me. Maybe it is the GS status, but the fact is that UA is no worse than any US-based airline. And their new interions and IFE blow all US airlines out of the water... yes, including Delta's new herring bone config.



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User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 25741 posts, RR: 50
Reply 20, posted (6 years 1 week 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 4800 times:



Quoting Lambert747 (Reply 12):
UA can add all of the new seats that it wants. Without a severe attitude adjustment for the F/A base, and sincere attention to detail by management systemwide these new seats will do nothing for the airline.

While maybe not impressing you - the IPTE aircraft have been prime contributors to increasing customer satisfaction. The regular online customer surveys all flyers can participate in ( www.ualsurvey.com ) has show that customer satisfaction has doubled on flights with the new product! -- significicantly beyond expectations.

Quote:
People are flocking away from UA in a time that they need to be flocking to

Retention rates based on FF'er frequency of booking continue to climb this year as it has the last couple years.
Again, United most loyal (and profitable) customers are making use of the airline at ever incrasing rates. Positives including IPTE cabins, p.s, E+, UGS, growing Star network have all contributed to these folks choosing to give ever more business to the airline.



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User currently offlineUAL777UK From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2005, 3356 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (6 years 1 week 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 4738 times:



Quoting Lambert747 (Reply 16):
Honestly, how many people write down the tail number of their flight. Even more so when you leave GRU late at night, who has the ability to look out the window and get a clear view of the tail number?

With respect, it was not just the tail number by another A.netter that you were asked for to clarify the flight you were on.

Quoting Lambert747 (Reply 16):
Then it became problem after problem with UA.

Thats really unfortunate, UA have been my airline of choice over the pond since 1995 and I can count on one hand the problems I have had with them, yes, some have been a right royal pain but they have been resolved in way or another, as opposed to the American airline I used to use who in the end lost a lot of business when the best answer I could get out of them after a major issue in JFK was "sorry, not interested sir, go tell somebody else, I am off duty in ten!".

I would just like to add there are some bad apples out there in all work groups, you will never get away from that. UA are making a number of changes, at upper level as well and I am sure its just a matter of time before Tilton closes the door one last time at his office in down town Chicago.


User currently offlineDaron4000 From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 712 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (6 years 1 week 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 4579 times:



Quoting Lambert747 (Reply 12):
Remember to make the decision based on the on-board service and soft product as well. The seat is only half of the equation when it comes down to decision time for most people. Any airline can have the seat. It is the service behind the seat that sells the product.

To clarify, on board service is not half of the equation in choosing the airline you travel on. One, on international flights, many are night flights where the priority in premium cabins is to get sleep so that you are not jet lagged the days after you arrive. And there is no doubt that flat bed seats are more comfortable than angled lie-flat seats- if this were the case, then all major premium airlines would have angled lie-flat seats in First Class as well, but none of them do. So in this case, people on overnight flights would be much more likely to choose UA C than LH C, especially considered that their ground products are essentially the same (Star Alliance).

Quoting Lambert747 (Reply 16):
Honestly, how many people write down the tail number of their flight. Even more so when you leave GRU late at night, who has the ability to look out the window and get a clear view of the tail number?

Not that I have to, but I am going to bite on this one. The day that I flew UX SMF-LAX-PSP was because the QX flight leaves earlier in the morning and even though I was ticketed on that flight I ended up buying a UA/UX ticket at the last minute.

As UA777UK stated above, a poster also asked you for the date that you flew, easily obtainable from credit card statements, itineraries, mileage statements etc. and you failed to reply. He would have and could have looked up the tail number of the plane that flew that night to prove if it was indeed a new config plane, which was only necessary because there was lots of doubt to the truth of your original post. The post, which I replied to, was later deleted by the mods and I don't know what happened but it was not just the tail number you failed to provide.


User currently offlineQantas744ER From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 1288 posts, RR: 4
Reply 23, posted (6 years 1 week 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 4568 times:



Quoting DCAjet (Reply 4):
As of October 2008:

Fleet

767: 9 of 21

747: 7 of 24

777: 0 of 46

Destinations

Buenos Aires EZE
Chicago ORD
Frankfurt
Hong Kong
London LHR
Saigon
San Francisco
Singapore
Washington IAD
Zurich

N174UA a 744 is currently in for conversion.

leo



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User currently offlineN104UA From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 917 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (6 years 1 week 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 4167 times:



Quoting Lufthansa (Reply 1):
Tell you what though, as great as that new seat looks...do they have to serve pre-take of champas in plasic cups? I mean come on, how crap does that look.

I heard that the FAA requires all pre flight drinks to be in plastic.



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25 Lambert747 : Interestingly odd requirement..
26 ZWZWUnited : Since when? I flew F class on NW less than a year ago MSP-MSN and the preflight and inflight drinks were all in proper glasses. ~Tim
27 777fan : In fairness, two totally different fare strata, too. Seems UA put its money where the money is. I'm not sure UA's number would support your "flocking
28 Transpac787 : We all already know the answer why This is A.net afterall, I'm sure a large majority of us do. Ask the crew, I always do. Even so, it's great the rec
29 Post contains links LAXintl : Its alluded to in this cabin safety document. See page 4. www.flightsafety.org/ccs/ccs_sept-oct01.pdf The issue is that glassware is a safety hazard w
30 United1 : Its not so much a FAA requirement per say that all drinks have to be served in plastic glasses on the ground as it is a FAA requirement that the gall
31 Lambert747 : Does this pertain to foreign airlines as well. I cannot remember being served plastic at anytime prior to departure on a foreign airline in the US wh
32 ZWZWUnited : Fair enough. It seems to make a lot of sense. I just find it a tad unfortunate/tacky. ~Tim
33 United1 : I would say it falls into a grey area, as foreign airlines are governed by their own regulatory agencies they have to meet that agencies standards, h
34 Post contains links and images Atlanta : What is wrong with DL's product? It is on par, with other world class carriers and with the cozy suites in coach DL will be ahead of the game, and I
35 United1 : There is nothing wrong with DLs J class nor did UAL777UK say that there was.
36 Js : Could we just settle this argument over the new UA lie-flat seat once and for all. First off, United is configuring their 747's and 777's EIGHT SEATS
37 Post contains links LAXintl : So does BA and their very well received Club World product. http://www.seatguru.com/airlines/Bri...itish_Airways_Boeing_747-400_B.php Franky having 8
38 United1 : So the seats are angled in such a way as to not feel cramped like you imply with 8 abreast. Have you every flown a flight on the new seats? The peopl
39 CastropRauxel : That's it? 6 seats in F? no, really...? that's seems awfully low. Oh, obviously you've never been served on LH long haul flight in C by an F/A who ju
40 Post contains links United1 : 6 on the 763s, the 777s will have 8 and the 744s have 12. There simply isn't the demand that there used to be for F class rather then eliminate it en
41 United1 : I can testify to that my mother is German....wow its truly indescribable but I will tell you this you have never known fear till you have crossed a G
42 Olympic472 : Daron4000, thank you. I cannot state it better.
43 Olympic472 : You obviously have not flown on them. There is no "unfounded and misinformed praise" here. On airlines with 4 across, these seats are severely angled
44 Post contains links Js : Sorry bud. Looks like you got some wrong information along the way. No "severely angled" seats here. And before questioning if I've flown the new UA
45 Olympic472 : In plan, the seats are angled at almost a 45 degrees vs straight cabin lengthwise. Without drawing it out, just go to seatguru.com. The plans show th
46 UAL777UK : Thank you United1, I do not come on here and slate competitiors products especially when I have not flown them unlike some others we could mention. D
47 MadameConcorde : I had one of these seats on the way to Buenos Aires from Washington Dulles. On the way back we had the old configured aircraft. My first reaction when
48 United1 : Again BA, EK, EY...all have 8 abreast. And? It stands for United 1K something I earned several years ago, I'm only a lowly P1 now but why change the
49 DCAjet : Sorry guy, but that kind of statement, imo, takes away any objectivity you could have brought to the discussion. Don't want to fly United? Just don't
50 Viscount724 : What EK and EY aircraft are 8 abreast in business class? I 'm not aware of any.
51 Daron4000 : EK's A380 and all of EY's Pearl Business Class seats are essentially 2-4-2 across, albeit at a staggered angle so that they seem 1-2-1. Nevertheless,
52 United1 : If you look at the seats form above there are 8 people lying in parallel.
53 Viscount724 : You can't really consider those as 8-abreast. That's a much more spacious layout than the standard 2-4-2 configuration. And seat width is not a signi
54 United1 : There are 8 rows of people lying across the cabin, you gain shoulder/hip room in EK/EYs configurations however you loose most of that space at the fo
55 Post contains links United1 : http://www.airliners.net/aviation-fo...aviation/read.main/3523615#menu126 post 139 (thanks Keeje) has the picture I'm talking about, the aisles are an
56 Js : So can someone confirm, is it possible to get to the aisle from one of the middle seats without having to climb over or ask the person on the aisle to
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