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MH And Engine Choice For 747-400

WunalaYann From Australia, joined Mar 2005, 2839 posts, RR: 31
Posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 2449 times:

Hello all,

I am puzzled by the fact that Kalitta Air's 744 are said to be former MH birds but yet are GE-powered. MH's current 744 fleet seems to be all P&W.

Did MH switch engine manufacturer at some stage? If yes, then why? Or did they order both GE and P&W engines at the same time?

Thank you for any help. confused

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Viscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 21491 posts, RR: 24
Reply 1, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 2442 times:

Quoting WunalaYann (Thread starter):
Did MH switch engine manufacturer at some stage?

According to Boeing's orders and deliveries data on their website, MH took delivery of 19 747-400s. Only the first 2 had GE engines (one delivered in 1990 and one in 1991). Then they switched to P&W for their last 17 744s delivered between 1992 and 2002.

WunalaYann From Australia, joined Mar 2005, 2839 posts, RR: 31
Reply 2, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 2430 times:

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 1):

Thank you very much, my friend.

Would you have any reason for the switch? Are MH using the most powerful version of the P&W 4000 available on 744s?

Cheers.

Viscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 21491 posts, RR: 24
Reply 3, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 2367 times:

Quoting WunalaYann (Reply 2):
Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 1):

Thank you very much, my friend.

Would you have any reason for the switch? Are MH using the most powerful version of the P&W 4000 available on 744s?

Sorry, can't answer those questions. I also note that MH uses P&W engines on their A330s. I'm just guessing that they may have ordered those first 2 744s before the A330s and when they decided on P&W for those they may then have switched to P&W for future 744s for increased commonality and only having to deal with one parts supplier etc. Someone else may have more background.

B747forever From United States of America, joined May 2007, 16575 posts, RR: 11
Reply 4, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 2359 times:

A little bit off topic maybe, but which engine is the most power full for the 744, and which carriers use that engine.

Work Hard, Fly Right

Jfk777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 7348 posts, RR: 7
Reply 5, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 2346 times:

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MAS and Thai have ordered the same airplanes with engines from different manufacturers. THAI has A330 or A300 with both GE and P&W engines.

Nicholaschee From Australia, joined Oct 2005, 661 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 2340 times:

Quoting B747forever (Reply 4):
A little bit off topic maybe, but which engine is the most power full for the 744, and which carriers use that engine.

PW>GE>RR

63,300>62,100>59,500

Speedbird0125 From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 183 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 2333 times:

GE- JL, NH, LH, TG, AF, KL, GA, NZ
PW- UA, NW, KE, SQ, MH, FJ, AI
RR- BA, QF, CX, SA

[Edited 2008-10-14 18:27:15]

WunalaYann From Australia, joined Mar 2005, 2839 posts, RR: 31
Reply 8, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 2306 times:

I thank you all for your great input, it is very useful.

I see that TG is quite adept at switching manufacturers midway through the delivery of an aircraft type. And considering they have virtually every single widebody on their fleet, that makes for a bit of a patchwork. Smile

Quoting Speedbird0125 (Reply 7):

I assume your list is not exhaustive? Smile

QF744ER From Australia, joined Jun 2004, 276 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 2293 times:

MH actually had 4 GE powered B744's.

The 2 combi's 9M-MHL and -MHM which are the Kalitta ones and -MHN and -MHO which are now flying with QF as VH-OEC and -OED.

The 2 Combi's sat in the desert for many years.

AA737-823 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 5340 posts, RR: 11
Reply 10, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 2290 times:

Also note, original poster, that the ex-JAL 744s that Kalitta will be getting in the future will also be GE powered.

WunalaYann From Australia, joined Mar 2005, 2839 posts, RR: 31
Reply 11, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 2272 times:

Quoting QF744ER (Reply 9):
The 2 combi's 9M-MHL and -MHM which are the Kalitta ones and -MHN and -MHO which are now flying with QF as VH-OEC and -OED.

And believe it or not, I flew on VH-OED. But for some reason I thought these two planes were former OZ... I'm getting old (and confused).

Thank you for the info, though. Smile

Quoting AA737-823 (Reply 10):
Also note, original poster, that the ex-JAL 744s that Kalitta will be getting in the future will also be GE powered.

Cheers. I used Kalitta as a reference because it jumped at me that they were ex-MH birds with GE engines. Smile

B747forever From United States of America, joined May 2007, 16575 posts, RR: 11
Reply 12, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 2220 times:

Quoting Nicholaschee (Reply 6):

Quoting Speedbird0125 (Reply 7):

Wow thank you guys for the fast response.

Work Hard, Fly Right

PresRDC From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 628 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 2192 times:

Two few things I've learned during my time in the jet engine business:

1. Engine selection has very little to do with engineering/technical matters. It really is a financial decision and an engine sale contract is very much a financial document.

2. Mixed engine fleets matter much less than I thought as airlines can easily and cost-effectively outsource all or part of their engine maintenance program to the OEM or third party operations.

Baroque From Australia, joined Apr 2006, 15380 posts, RR: 60
Reply 14, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 2162 times:

Quoting Nicholaschee (Reply 6):
Quoting B747forever (Reply 4):
A little bit off topic maybe, but which engine is the most power full for the 744, and which carriers use that engine.

PW>GE>RR

63,300>62,100>59,500

RR lists
-524G/H-T 1998 60,600 lb (270kN)
Boeing 747-400 Boeing 747-400F
http://www.rolls-royce.com/civil_aer...ts/airlines/rb211524/technical.jsp

Viscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 21491 posts, RR: 24
Reply 15, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 1924 times:

Quoting QF744ER (Reply 9):
MH actually had 4 GE powered B744's.

Two must have been leased or acquired from a source other than Boeing. They only took delivery of 2 GE 744s from Boeing (or their orders and delivery data is wrong).

Viscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 21491 posts, RR: 24
Reply 16, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 1924 times:

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 15):
Quoting QF744ER (Reply 9):
MH actually had 4 GE powered B744's.

Two must have been leased or acquired from a source other than Boeing. They only took delivery of 2 GE 744s from Boeing (or their orders and delivery data is wrong).

Just correcting above after checking the Boeing website again. They actually did take delivery of 4 GE-powered 744s from Boeing. Two were 744-400M combis and I was only looking at the all-passenger listing.

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