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No More Removing Shoes At Airport In The Future?  
User currently offlineElite From Hong Kong, joined Jun 2006, 2844 posts, RR: 10
Posted (5 years 11 months 3 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 10705 times:

Israel now has a step on scanner that saves passengers the hassle of removing their shoes . . . wonder if this technology will ever come to the US and other countries. Personally I hate removing my shoes so it would be great if the US would follow suit.

http://news.zdnet.com/2424-9595_22-241003.html

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User currently offlineJohnClipper From Hong Kong, joined Aug 2005, 845 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (5 years 11 months 3 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 10664 times:

I remember something like that in JAX about 4-5 years ago. Just step on it and go. Out here in Asia, no one has to take their shoes off during security.

User currently offlineAA737-823 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 5843 posts, RR: 11
Reply 2, posted (5 years 11 months 3 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 10561 times:

No one does in Europe, either. Not even in the UK.

User currently offlineDTW757 From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 1567 posts, RR: 4
Reply 3, posted (5 years 11 months 3 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 10544 times:



Quoting AA737-823 (Reply 2):
No one does in Europe, either. Not even in the UK.

That's my question too. In Europe or Asia at the airports I have been to, no one removes their shoes. So we put people on a US registered airplane in a foreign country without removing their shoes but here in the US, everyone gets their shoes scanned? What is the point of this?



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User currently offline2175301 From United States of America, joined May 2007, 1072 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (5 years 11 months 3 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 10509 times:



Quoting DTW757 (Reply 3):
So we put people on a US registered airplane in a foreign country without removing their shoes but here in the US, everyone gets their shoes scanned?

What is the point of this?

Take your pick:

1) The US TSA agents like smelly toes and shoes, or nicely done toenails, or are looking for a guy with nicely done toenails (who would likely be a threat - at least to some).

2) It is also the highlight of some agents days on seeing passengers get frustrated and upset with the process.

3) It presents the image to a critical mass of uneducated folks that the TSA is doing something effective to improve airplane security. Don't you have any idea how effective a weapon a shoe can be... (ever get kicked where it counts...).

4) The TSA is in collusion with the US sock industry to promote the more rapid replacement of socks, figuring that people will more quickly replace socks that look somewhat worn or have holes in the toes if they have to fully display their old socks in public.


User currently offlineJFK787NYC From United States of America, joined Apr 2007, 812 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (5 years 11 months 3 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 10488 times:

even though in ASIA & Europe you do not need to take off your shoes, I am pretty positive with a price of $5000 each this will be a industry trend even for ASIA & Europe.

What is the difference either your airport invests around $1000000 per airport or it doesn't its another safety advancement.


User currently offlineHelvknight From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (5 years 11 months 3 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 10485 times:



Quoting AA737-823 (Reply 2):
No one does in Europe, either. Not even in the UK.

In ZRH and FRA you have to but only passing security checks to areas of the airport where flights to the US depart.


User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10901 posts, RR: 37
Reply 7, posted (5 years 11 months 3 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 10478 times:

I hate Shoe Carnival Airports.

I had to go through this circus several times at Washington Dulles. I was connecting to fly to Buenos Aires then on my way back I had to go out of the terminal to catch the Shuttle Bus to the Air and Space Museum.

I had to go through the Shoe Carnival to go back into the terminal to catch the flight to Munich.
They also had the Shoe Carnival in Frankfurt before we boarded the flight to Washington Dulles.

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User currently offlineMcmurdomech From Argentina, joined May 2008, 12 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (5 years 11 months 3 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 10405 times:

Two weeks ago in FCO before boarding AA235 for JFK we had to take our shoes off. By the way, boarding was a circle. Boarding passes taken upstairs , no line organization, and take a long esculator down to the jetway.

User currently offlineMcr From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2005, 128 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (5 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 10292 times:
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It's simply not true that nobody has to take their shoes off at the airport in Europe. It varies depending on the airport (or even which specific terminal), possibly where you're flying to, and certainly what sort of shoes you're wearing. It may even just come down to the personal whim of the security agent: I've flown the same route several times this year, almost always in my usual jeans and boots, and there is no definite pattern as to whether or not I have to remove them.

User currently offlinePetera380 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 350 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (5 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 10280 times:
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In the UK you don't have to take your laptop out either anymore!

User currently offlineRunway23 From US Minor Outlying Islands, joined Jan 2005, 2194 posts, RR: 35
Reply 11, posted (5 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 10218 times:



Quoting AA737-823 (Reply 2):
No one does in Europe, either. Not even in the UK.

Yes you do. LGW has a seperate queue for shoe screening. At CDG it depends on the mood of the agent by the machine.

Quoting Petera380 (Reply 11):
In the UK you don't have to take your laptop out either anymore!

That's only at Heathrow Terminal 5. All other terminals are supposed to require you to take the laptop out.


User currently offlinePanHAM From Germany, joined May 2005, 9435 posts, RR: 29
Reply 12, posted (5 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 10194 times:



Quoting Petera380 (Reply 11):

In the UK you don't have to take your laptop out either anymore!

Thats true, but as others have said, there is no "shoe pattern " in the UK.

Well, in a way there is, at T2 LHR the right hand lane you have to take the shoes off and the eft hand lane not. Observed over several months.

They may change that now.,.....



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User currently onlineAmricanShamrok From Ireland, joined May 2008, 2908 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (5 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 10176 times:



Quoting AA737-823 (Reply 2):
No one does in Europe, either. Not even in the UK.

Taking off shoes is normal procedure at Shannon (SNN), not sure about Dublin.



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User currently offlineKLMflyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 156 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (5 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 10161 times:

I do believe removing shoes and laptops is simply a psychological reason to provide passengers with the idea that by doing so they have the impression of a safety measure. period.
And since Americans in general do tend to follow rules more than Europeans do (at least in Southern Europe) very few complain and everyone comply with this rule.
Personally I find it a useless, time-consuming process with limited, real effect, except the long lines at security checkpoints.
Isn't it silly to remove shoes and laptops when technology can check whether or not a passenger is carrying dangerous items?
I always wonder why I do not have to remove shoes and laptops in Europe and in Asia but here in the US it remains the rule (!!!)
Isn't it stupid to insist in applying a method that it does not prove to be valid?
Also, when abroad, you can recognize the Americans at the security lines because they are the only passengers removing shoes and laptops, even when not required to do so, and that gives you the idea of how they made it here in the US to instill the idea that by doing so it is safe, or safer (!!!).


User currently offlineMcr From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2005, 128 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (5 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 10127 times:
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"In the UK you don't have to take your laptop out either anymore!"

Again... NOT true.

There are SOME terminals where you don't have to (eg LHR T5), but at most of them laptops still have to go through the machine in their own tray, out of your laptop bag (eg LCY, MAN, LGW, LHR T1, LHR T3...).


User currently offlineKnoxibus From France, joined Aug 2007, 260 posts, RR: 23
Reply 16, posted (5 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 10114 times:

Just did a TLS-CDG-YUL and return...

CDG is a real pain in the butt:

"take the shoes off, the DSLR out of the bag, the laptop out of the bag, the belt off, jacket, jumper"....and I just got off a plane you dumb****.

I really don't understand how they can not keep people transiting in a "secured zone"????



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User currently offlineKLMflyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 156 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (5 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 10073 times:

In Italy removing shoes and laptops is applied differently from airport to airport.

While at the 2 major airports in Milan (MXP and LIN) you're no longer required to remove shoes, laptops and liquids (yes, even liquids), at the 3rd airport in the area (BGY: Milan Bergamo-Orio al Serio) you're required to remove the laptop and even turning it on (!!!).

At Rome-FCO same as in Milan (no more removing shoes, laptops and liquids) with the exception of flights to the USA and Israel (so that passenger going to those 2 destinations are prepared well in advance on the security screening they will experience once they reach those destinations).


User currently offlineFXramper From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 7305 posts, RR: 85
Reply 18, posted (5 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 10050 times:
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I was at EWR a month or so ago for work and in line for TSA check and they made some lady take her strappy heels off. She ended up getting a run in her nylons and blamed it on TSA making her remove her heels. She was livid.

TSA needs to do away with the liquid ban too. Silly.  yes 


User currently offlineFlyb From Canada, joined Aug 2006, 686 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (5 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 10033 times:

Yeah, you don't need to take shoes off here unless you are going through US customs preclearance

User currently offlinePRFLYER From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 307 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (5 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 9946 times:



Quoting JohnClipper (Reply 1):
Out here in Asia, no one has to take their shoes off during security.

They still do in Manila. Plus an additional pat down and shoe removal for US flights at the boarding gate.


User currently offline777jaah From Colombia, joined Jan 2006, 1403 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (5 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 9935 times:

I had to take my shoes off just yestarday in MIA, and it was a bit more annoying thau usual, don't know why, but this time it just felt really depressing, I felt treated like a convicted. Later on, took a domestic flight in COlombia, and trust, security is tight here, and no shoes off at all.


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User currently offlineAndz From South Africa, joined Feb 2004, 8455 posts, RR: 10
Reply 22, posted (5 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 9905 times:
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Quoting 2175301 (Reply 4):
holes in the toes

I had that once at ZRH... how embarrassing!

Every time I fly through FRA I have to take my shoes off because they set the hand held scanner off due to a plate in the sole. Taking your shoes off is unheard of here although the laptop out is standard procedure now.



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User currently offlineIliriBDL From Germany, joined May 2007, 1205 posts, RR: 14
Reply 23, posted (5 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 9866 times:



Quoting Helvknight (Reply 6):
In ZRH and FRA you have to but only passing security checks to areas of the airport where flights to the US depart.

Not in FRA, I've been there twice for the past 4 weeks, and I didn't have to remove the shoes, only the jacket.



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User currently offlinePanHAM From Germany, joined May 2005, 9435 posts, RR: 29
Reply 24, posted (5 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 9829 times:



Quoting IliriBDL (Reply 25):
Not in FRA, I've been there twice for the past 4 weeks, and I didn't have to remove the shoes, only the jacket.

you have to, if your bag is checked after running through the x-ray. They run your shoes through the x-ray then as well. That is for the first as well as for the second screening, where applicable.



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25 Post contains links ShyFlyer : Everyone at LHR's Terminal 3 did when I was there a couple of weeks ago. I left mine in my bag when I cleared security. As far as I could tell, every
26 Burnsie28 : When i was in Frankfurt a while back I didn't have to and I was flying NW 51. Which is funny since I flew PR from YVR-LAS you didn't have to, of cour
27 XJETFlyer : Removing the shoes is a joke. My wife has her favorite confy flying shoes she calls them. Slip on and slip off. She hates the cold floor at the airpor
28 Ajd1992 : At Liverpool Airport they made me take off FLIP FLOPS. I had shorts and a t-shirt on and I was the only one in that area that had a pat down. Because
29 IliriBDL : Well I didn't, I was flying LH, the first time was from JFK to FRA and back, and the second time from BOS to FRA and back. Both times I didn't have t
30 Post contains images Srbmod : Exactly, it's all a dog and pony show intended to give folks a false sense of security. I swear that my last trip out of town, the TSA folks here @ A
31 Access-Air : Guys and Gals, I actually think thats how they want it......If you have ever noticed, Not one single airport has the same rules across the board. Even
32 ManuCH : When flying back home from JFK a few years ago, when everyone in here was talking about the "take off your shoes" hype, I didn't have to. I thought it
33 Teva : They know you are coming from a plane. But you are connecting from a domestic to an international flight. As a result, you have to go through the pol
34 RussianJet : Where do you people get this stuff from? As stated by many others here it is simply not true. As recently as TODAY I observed people being asked to r
35 CrimsonNL : Everytime I go to the US I have to have a talk with a security guy at AMS, questions like how I got to the airport, where the car is parked, who the s
36 Brilondon : They did not as of this past summer in Dublin for a flight to London. On another note the only time I had to remove my shoes at LHR was when I was at
37 747438 : Due to new X-ray machines, you can leave your lap tops in the bags at all terminals at LHR. I should know, I work there. Now, if passengers can't rea
38 A340600 : Not LHR T5. I pass through every week and I quite happily pass through with my laptop in my bag.
39 Mcr : 747438, are these new x-ray machines quite recent then? It's six weeks since I last went through LHR and the last time I travelled through there with
40 747438 : Since January this year.
41 Post contains links Aviateur : I'm not sure who is crazier when it comes to airport security, the US or the UK. They are amoung only a few countries that enforce the ridiculous shoe
42 BrianDromey : At ORK laptops and liquids need to be out of your bag and any sleeve, belts and jewelery should also be removed. You may or may not be asked to remov
43 CODCAIAH : Never have to remove shoes in Latin America ... not in TGU, SAP, SAL, ASU, EZE etc. etc.
44 BAViscount : When I last passed through LCY in April, and was asked to remove my laptop from my bag, I asked why I had to do so when it wasn't required at LHR. I
45 Crewchief : We should all be glad Richard Reid used his shoe and not his crotch....
46 AlexA340B777 : I left a couple of times out of SAP, always had to take my shoes off... Alex
47 Ckfred : The problem is that the U.S. likes to do things fast and on the cheap. After the Lockerbie tragedy, the U.K. government took a lot of time, and spent
48 Post contains links AlexA340B777 : Anybody heard about the European Union plans to introduce new X-ray machines at the airports? Probably you also you won´t have to take your shoes off
49 Robsawatsky : I've been through LHR T3 4 times this year starting in January. There are signs stating "Leave laptops in bag" or something similar and the only thin
50 747438 : The shoe screening through this separate machine is done on a random basis, as per instructions from DfT.
51 2175301 : That is not exactly true. If you are wearing certain kinds of material (light cotton, etc)- the IR scanners can see through it fairly well; but other
52 Post contains links LHR777 : From www.heathrowairport.com - You no longer need to remove your laptop from your bag at Heathrow Airport. Which goes for all terminals, not just Term
53 Babybus : Completely untrue! At LHR and LGW you do have to take your shoes off and at several other European airports. LHR last Sunday we took off our shoes, a
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