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IT To Start BLR-LHR-SFO ; 9W To Cooperate  
User currently offlineOjas From India, joined Mar 2008, 2963 posts, RR: 24
Posted (5 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 8500 times:

According to a post here and also some news channels

http://airlinersindia.s4.bizhat.com/...=52489&mforum=airlinersindia#52489

IT will extend BLR-LHR-SFO ; and 9W will feed passengers from BOM,DEL.

Amazing!


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User currently offlineLAXDESI From United States of America, joined May 2005, 5086 posts, RR: 48
Reply 1, posted (5 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 8413 times:

IT and 9W collectively should set up LHR as a hub, given the potential for India-LHR O&D.

User currently offlineLambert747 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (5 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 8389 times:



Quoting Ojas (Thread starter):
IT will extend BLR-LHR-SFO ; and 9W will feed passengers from BOM,DEL

What a profoundly better decision that BLR-SFO nonstop or BOM-PVG-SFO. This is an excellent turn of events, if indeed it is deemed true. Very, very, happy with this decision!

I think this move may even move UA to operate both the SFO-LHR flights with the newer P and J products as well.


User currently offlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17361 posts, RR: 46
Reply 3, posted (5 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 8340 times:

I give it eight months.


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User currently offlineLambert747 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (5 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 8342 times:



Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 3):
I give it eight months.

I give it a chance to survive much longer for the following reasons:

1/ India-Heathrow is very high demand
2/ Heathrow-California is very high demand
3/ India-Bay Area is very high demand
4/ Bay Area & London are very high ex-pat markets for Indians
5/ Kingfisher/Jet Airways service and high quality onboard products


User currently offlineHawaijahaz From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 352 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (5 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 8265 times:

I really hope this works out well for IT/9W. I want to see continued presence of an Indian carrier at SFO! Any idea why IT decided to continue their LHR flight rather than have 9W continue one of their own flights. Also anybody know where the extra LHR slots will come from?

User currently offlineB742 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2005, 3767 posts, RR: 19
Reply 6, posted (5 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 8230 times:



Quoting Hawaijahaz (Reply 5):
Also anybody know where the extra LHR slots will come from?

They (9W) are discontinuing the ATQ-LHR route in place of these new flights from IT.

I think a terminal change would have to come in for these flights to work in cooperation; IIRC correctly isnt 9W moving to T4 in 2009 anyway?

Rob!  wave 


User currently offlineHumberside From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2005, 4917 posts, RR: 4
Reply 7, posted (5 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 8144 times:



Quoting B742 (Reply 6):
They (9W) are discontinuing the ATQ-LHR route in place of these new flights from IT.

Arent AI starting ATQ-LHR as a replacement for their BHX service?

I assume there will be 5th freedoms on LHR-SFO?



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User currently offlineOjas From India, joined Mar 2008, 2963 posts, RR: 24
Reply 8, posted (5 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 8128 times:



Quoting Humberside (Reply 7):
Arent AI starting ATQ-LHR as a replacement for their BHX service?

Yes, three weekly ATQ-LHR-YYZ services.

Quoting Humberside (Reply 7):
I assume there will be 5th freedoms on LHR-SFO?

Yes.



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User currently offlineAtmx2000 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 4576 posts, RR: 38
Reply 9, posted (5 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 7819 times:



Quoting Lambert747 (Reply 4):
1/ India-Heathrow is very high demand
2/ Heathrow-California is very high demand
3/ India-Bay Area is very high demand
4/ Bay Area & London are very high ex-pat markets for Indians
5/ Kingfisher/Jet Airways service and high quality onboard products

The problem with #3 is that adds 15% to 20% more distance to the route going via London.



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User currently offlineBCA2005 From India, joined Sep 2005, 247 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (5 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 7788 times:

I don't understand how they are going to time this flight, if they are using the current ATQ slots - an early evening arrival and late night departure. Also, IT will need to retime their BLR flights, as they are not suitable timings to continue onto SFO, which comes back to the slot issue. I highly doubt they will be able to connect the LHR-SFO-LHR to the current 9W DEL flight, as the timings would just be too uncompetitive and undesirable.

User currently offlineWedgetail737 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5890 posts, RR: 6
Reply 11, posted (5 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 7736 times:
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Excuse me for being ignorant. What airline is IT? 9W is Jet, correct?

User currently offlineMIgAiR54 From Spain, joined Jun 2007, 1667 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (5 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 7710 times:



Quoting Wedgetail737 (Reply 11):
Excuse me for being ignorant. What airline is IT? 9W is Jet, correct?

Kingfisher airlines.

Quoting Humberside (Reply 7):
I assume there will be 5th freedoms on LHR-SFO?

Open skies?? or this is only for USA and Eurpe airlines.


IMO much better than actually BOM-PVG-SFO


User currently offlineApollo13 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (5 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 7655 times:

When will this service start? And will it be daily or 4-5x weekly?

User currently onlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32620 posts, RR: 72
Reply 14, posted (5 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 7642 times:



Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 3):
I give it eight months.

You're too kind. I give it six.



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User currently offlineWedgetail737 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5890 posts, RR: 6
Reply 15, posted (5 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 7475 times:
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Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 14):
You're too kind. I give it six.

I don't think the Jet Airways service lasted that long.


User currently offlineMHTripple7 From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 1105 posts, RR: 8
Reply 16, posted (5 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 7381 times:

I could see this flights working as long as the fares are competitive. I think the cooperation between IT and 9W is very smart as well.

User currently offlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17361 posts, RR: 46
Reply 17, posted (5 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 7290 times:



Quoting MHTripple7 (Reply 16):
I could see this flights working as long as the fares are competitive

That's the only thing they can compete on, since they'll be an unknown quantity for US point of sale and the connectivity on the BLR end is thin and dubious in LHR.

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 14):
I don't think the Jet Airways service lasted that long.

It lasted about 8 months no?



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User currently offlineBlr2Syr From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 68 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (5 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 7249 times:

How does the fleet work out for IT ? They would have the 332 as extras if they 345's play BLR-LHR-SFO route.

Would they go to 9w for use in the Gulf and SIN sector ? I am sure they(IT) could launch BLR-DXB. or BLR-SIN ?


User currently offlineLambert747 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (5 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 7108 times:



Quoting Atmx2000 (Reply 9):
The problem with #3 is that adds 15% to 20% more distance to the route going via London

There is no available nonstop on BLR-SFO, so in the interim this is going to be the one single plane service in the market. The next closest option is the LH "Bangalore Express", SFO-FRA-BLR.


User currently onlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 24901 posts, RR: 22
Reply 20, posted (5 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 7001 times:



Quoting MIgAiR54 (Reply 12):
Quoting Humberside (Reply 7):
I assume there will be 5th freedoms on LHR-SFO?

Open skies?? or this is only for USA and Europe airlines.

USA-India has been Open Skies since 2005, nothing to do with the US-Europe agreement. 5th freedoms LHR-SFO would also have to be permitted under the India-UK bilateral which was liberalized in 2005 but is not yet Open Skies. AI operated LHR-JFK with 5th freedoms for decades but I don't know whether unlimited 5th freedom rights are permitted for Indian carriers between LHR and any US cities.

The problem with 5th freedom services is that they usually are lower yield than than the national carriers operating the same routes. And, regardless of their service standards, I doubt many regular passengers between SFO and LHR have ever heard of either IT or 9W. And for business traffic, frequent flyer programs are important.


User currently offlineDc10s2hnl From New Zealand, joined Aug 2006, 161 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (5 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 6878 times:

Using the A332s on the route sounds like it would be the prudent thing to do, especially at the beginning to gauge demand. Would the A345s be financially viable on a route like this if it ended up with marginal loads and higher fuel prices?

User currently offlineBehramjee From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 4755 posts, RR: 43
Reply 22, posted (5 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days ago) and read 6709 times:



Quoting Lambert747 (Reply 19):

There is no available nonstop on BLR-SFO, so in the interim this is going to be the one single plane service in the market. The next closest option is the LH "Bangalore Express", SFO-FRA-BLR.

True but any product conscious passenger would realize that KF's premium and economy class product is far superior to LH's any day of the week!

Now how can KF fly BLR-LHR-SFO daily with 2 A 332s which it has currently in its fleet...its not that easy at all...u need 3 A 332s minimum.

Use the current BLR-LHR slot:

IT 001 Dep BLR 1130 Arr LHR 1640
IT 001 Dep LHR 1820 Arr SFO 2130

IT 002 Dep SFO 2310 Arr LHR 1745+1
IT 002 Dep LHR 1915 Arr BLR 1035+1


User currently offlineMHTripple7 From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 1105 posts, RR: 8
Reply 23, posted (5 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 6651 times:



Quoting Behramjee (Reply 22):
Now how can KF fly BLR-LHR-SFO daily with 2 A 332s which it has currently in its fleet...its not that easy at all...u need 3 A 332s minimum.

I'm pretty sure IT can fly BLR-LHR-SFO-LHR-BLR with two A330's.


User currently offlinePanAm747 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 4242 posts, RR: 8
Reply 24, posted (5 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 6424 times:



Quote:
IT and 9W collectively should set up LHR as a hub, given the potential for India-LHR O&D.

Good luck in getting the slots!!

Quote:
1/ India-Heathrow is very high demand
2/ Heathrow-California is very high demand
3/ India-Bay Area is very high demand

All reasons that I agree it has a good chance of success; however, BA (x2), VA (x1), and UA (x2), already fly SFO-LHR - that's five wide-bodies per day. Now IT wants to be number six? What's going to pull those frequent flyers - and businesses that purchase more expensive tickets - off their other airline and get them to try IT?



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25 OA412 : The only traffic that IT is likely to get on the SFO-LHR leg is low-yielding traffic that the other players on the route will be all too happy to see
26 UAL777UK : This is one of UA's strongest routes, has been for years and will be for years IMHO, its no coincidence that its double daily with T7's and one of th
27 SPR773 : Thats a surprising annoucement from King-Jet...(a new name for the alliance of foes ) ... anyway what I feel is that with all the crisis happening on
28 Legacyins : Indian carriers are in worst shape than the US carriers. IT,9W and AI have announced major reductions in thier work force. Aircraft are being sold of
29 Post contains links Behramjee : http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/B..._cut_costs/articleshow/3625242.cms Jet Airways will withdraw the Amritsar-London flight and not launch operatio
30 Gojetset : any word on when the services are expected to begin?
31 Boeing747_600 : you yourself are being way too kind, if you meant months. I give it six weeks.
32 Lightsaber : As already noted, LHR slots are precious. But a LHR scissor hub? This is a more thought out plan than previous expansions by either airline. So now t
33 Aviationbuff : Good move should prove beneficial to both the airlines.
34 Post contains links Aviationbuff : IT plan for San-Francisco has been put on hold. http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/B...ce_flights/articleshow/3629090.cms
35 COGlobeTrotter : Their nonstop has been put on hold. The article didn' t mention anything on the proposed BLR-LHR-SFO.
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