Lambert747 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 2, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 2 hours ago) and read 7231 times:
Quoting Ojas (Thread starter): IT will extend BLR-LHR-SFO ; and 9W will feed passengers from BOM,DEL
What a profoundly better decision that BLR-SFO nonstop or BOM-PVG-SFO. This is an excellent turn of events, if indeed it is deemed true. Very, very, happy with this decision!
I think this move may even move UA to operate both the SFO-LHR flights with the newer P and J products as well.
MaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 15720 posts, RR: 48 Reply 3, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 2 hours ago) and read 7182 times:
I give it a chance to survive much longer for the following reasons:
1/ India-Heathrow is very high demand
2/ Heathrow-California is very high demand
3/ India-Bay Area is very high demand
4/ Bay Area & London are very high ex-pat markets for Indians
5/ Kingfisher/Jet Airways service and high quality onboard products
Hawaijahaz From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 352 posts, RR: 0 Reply 5, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 1 hour ago) and read 7107 times:
I really hope this works out well for IT/9W. I want to see continued presence of an Indian carrier at SFO! Any idea why IT decided to continue their LHR flight rather than have 9W continue one of their own flights. Also anybody know where the extra LHR slots will come from?
Atmx2000 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 4576 posts, RR: 39 Reply 9, posted (4 years 7 months 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 6661 times:
Quoting Lambert747 (Reply 4): 1/ India-Heathrow is very high demand
2/ Heathrow-California is very high demand
3/ India-Bay Area is very high demand
4/ Bay Area & London are very high ex-pat markets for Indians
5/ Kingfisher/Jet Airways service and high quality onboard products
The problem with #3 is that adds 15% to 20% more distance to the route going via London.
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BCA2005 From India, joined Sep 2005, 246 posts, RR: 0 Reply 10, posted (4 years 7 months 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 6630 times:
I don't understand how they are going to time this flight, if they are using the current ATQ slots - an early evening arrival and late night departure. Also, IT will need to retime their BLR flights, as they are not suitable timings to continue onto SFO, which comes back to the slot issue. I highly doubt they will be able to connect the LHR-SFO-LHR to the current 9W DEL flight, as the timings would just be too uncompetitive and undesirable.
Wedgetail737 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5524 posts, RR: 5 Reply 11, posted (4 years 7 months 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 6578 times:
Excuse me for being ignorant. What airline is IT? 9W is Jet, correct?
Wedgetail737 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5524 posts, RR: 5 Reply 15, posted (4 years 7 months 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 6317 times:
MHTripple7 From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 1050 posts, RR: 5 Reply 16, posted (4 years 7 months 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 6223 times:
I could see this flights working as long as the fares are competitive. I think the cooperation between IT and 9W is very smart as well.
MaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 15720 posts, RR: 48 Reply 17, posted (4 years 7 months 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 6132 times:
Quoting MHTripple7 (Reply 16): I could see this flights working as long as the fares are competitive
That's the only thing they can compete on, since they'll be an unknown quantity for US point of sale and the connectivity on the BLR end is thin and dubious in LHR.
Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 14): I don't think the Jet Airways service lasted that long.
Lambert747 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 19, posted (4 years 7 months 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 5950 times:
Quoting Atmx2000 (Reply 9): The problem with #3 is that adds 15% to 20% more distance to the route going via London
There is no available nonstop on BLR-SFO, so in the interim this is going to be the one single plane service in the market. The next closest option is the LH "Bangalore Express", SFO-FRA-BLR.
Viscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 21460 posts, RR: 24 Reply 20, posted (4 years 7 months 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 5843 times:
Quoting MIgAiR54 (Reply 12): Quoting Humberside (Reply 7):
I assume there will be 5th freedoms on LHR-SFO?
Open skies?? or this is only for USA and Europe airlines.
USA-India has been Open Skies since 2005, nothing to do with the US-Europe agreement. 5th freedoms LHR-SFO would also have to be permitted under the India-UK bilateral which was liberalized in 2005 but is not yet Open Skies. AI operated LHR-JFK with 5th freedoms for decades but I don't know whether unlimited 5th freedom rights are permitted for Indian carriers between LHR and any US cities.
The problem with 5th freedom services is that they usually are lower yield than than the national carriers operating the same routes. And, regardless of their service standards, I doubt many regular passengers between SFO and LHR have ever heard of either IT or 9W. And for business traffic, frequent flyer programs are important.
Dc10s2hnl From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 154 posts, RR: 0 Reply 21, posted (4 years 7 months 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 5720 times:
Using the A332s on the route sounds like it would be the prudent thing to do, especially at the beginning to gauge demand. Would the A345s be financially viable on a route like this if it ended up with marginal loads and higher fuel prices?
Behramjee From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 4438 posts, RR: 43 Reply 22, posted (4 years 7 months 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 5551 times:
Quoting Lambert747 (Reply 19):
There is no available nonstop on BLR-SFO, so in the interim this is going to be the one single plane service in the market. The next closest option is the LH "Bangalore Express", SFO-FRA-BLR.
True but any product conscious passenger would realize that KF's premium and economy class product is far superior to LH's any day of the week!
Now how can KF fly BLR-LHR-SFO daily with 2 A 332s which it has currently in its fleet...its not that easy at all...u need 3 A 332s minimum.
Use the current BLR-LHR slot:
IT 001 Dep BLR 1130 Arr LHR 1640
IT 001 Dep LHR 1820 Arr SFO 2130
IT 002 Dep SFO 2310 Arr LHR 1745+1
IT 002 Dep LHR 1915 Arr BLR 1035+1
MHTripple7 From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 1050 posts, RR: 5 Reply 23, posted (4 years 7 months 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 5493 times:
Quoting Behramjee (Reply 22): Now how can KF fly BLR-LHR-SFO daily with 2 A 332s which it has currently in its fleet...its not that easy at all...u need 3 A 332s minimum.
I'm pretty sure IT can fly BLR-LHR-SFO-LHR-BLR with two A330's.
PanAm747 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 4242 posts, RR: 10 Reply 24, posted (4 years 7 months 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 5266 times:
Quote: IT and 9W collectively should set up LHR as a hub, given the potential for India-LHR O&D.
Good luck in getting the slots!!
Quote: 1/ India-Heathrow is very high demand
2/ Heathrow-California is very high demand
3/ India-Bay Area is very high demand
All reasons that I agree it has a good chance of success; however, BA (x2), VA (x1), and UA (x2), already fly SFO-LHR - that's five wide-bodies per day. Now IT wants to be number six? What's going to pull those frequent flyers - and businesses that purchase more expensive tickets - off their other airline and get them to try IT?
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25 OA412: The only traffic that IT is likely to get on the SFO-LHR leg is low-yielding traffic that the other players on the route will be all too happy to see
26 UAL777UK: This is one of UA's strongest routes, has been for years and will be for years IMHO, its no coincidence that its double daily with T7's and one of th
27 SPR773: Thats a surprising annoucement from King-Jet...(a new name for the alliance of foes ) ... anyway what I feel is that with all the crisis happening on
28 Legacyins: Indian carriers are in worst shape than the US carriers. IT,9W and AI have announced major reductions in thier work force. Aircraft are being sold of
29 Behramjee: http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/B..._cut_costs/articleshow/3625242.cms Jet Airways will withdraw the Amritsar-London flight and not launch operatio
30 Gojetset: any word on when the services are expected to begin?
31 Boeing747_600: you yourself are being way too kind, if you meant months. I give it six weeks.
32 Lightsaber: As already noted, LHR slots are precious. But a LHR scissor hub? This is a more thought out plan than previous expansions by either airline. So now t
33 Aviationbuff: Good move should prove beneficial to both the airlines.
34 Aviationbuff: IT plan for San-Francisco has been put on hold. http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/B...ce_flights/articleshow/3629090.cms
35 COGlobeTrotter: Their nonstop has been put on hold. The article didn' t mention anything on the proposed BLR-LHR-SFO.
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