LAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 22028 posts, RR: 51 Reply 1, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 1980 times:
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Atlanta From United States of America, joined Jun 2008, 473 posts, RR: 1 Reply 2, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 1960 times:
AA777223 From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 1112 posts, RR: 7 Reply 3, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 1948 times:
I thought these were GE, since AA took them. Unless they didn't keep them, because all of AAs 767s are GE.
Treebeard787 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 501 posts, RR: 1 Reply 4, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 1890 times:
I'm pretty sure most of TW's 762ER's were PW powered, Although there might have been a few GE powered 763ERs flown.
Quoting AA777223 (Reply 3): I thought these were GE, since AA took them. Unless they didn't keep them, because all of AAs 767s are GE.
PC12Fan From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 2236 posts, RR: 5 Reply 6, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 1834 times:
All of "TW'bs" 767's wre Pratt powered IIRC. When they merged, AA dumped TWA 76's but I don't know if they were ever replaced. I know that the plan was for AA to order GE powered 767's one for one, not sure if that ever materialized.
Just when I think you've said the stupidest thing ever, you keep talkin'!
DeltaGuy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 7, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 1746 times:
AA didn't take any of TWA's 767's. Hell, they dumped the 717's, DC-9's, many of the MD-80's, and then all of their 757's are mostly at DL now. Not to mention many of their employees are not on property anymore.
777STL From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 3033 posts, RR: 3 Reply 8, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 1735 times:
Quoting AA777223 (Reply 3): I thought these were GE, since AA took them. Unless they didn't keep them, because all of AAs 767s are GE.
I'm not sure if TW's 767s ever actually flew for AA, they were dumped almost immediately and AA put a new order in for more 763s(10?)
Quoting DeltaGuy (Reply 7): Not to mention many of their employees are not on property anymore.
There are a few pilots and F/As still running around.
Quoting DeltaGuy (Reply 7): What gain did they really get, other than slots?
At face value, not much. But no one could have predicted 9/11, and I do believe more of what was TW would still be around had 9/11 not happened.
BDL2STL2PVG From China, joined Jun 2006, 149 posts, RR: 0 Reply 9, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 1726 times:
Quoting 777STL (Reply 8): not sure if TW's 767s ever actually flew for AA, they were dumped almost immediately and AA put a new order in for more 763s(10?)
AA did fly the TWA 763s. They kept them in the TWA colors and did not create the transitional paintjob. The TWA logo and Trans World name remained. In mid 02 it was announced that "all planes were repainted" but this did not include the 763s which were being phased out. I fly one in early October 2002 as a sub for a 757 on the STL-DEN route. The a/c was painted in the earlier paint scheme - red on white - vs. the final TW scheme.
AA737-823 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 5338 posts, RR: 11 Reply 10, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 1662 times:
Just for every one's information, you can tell that the engine in question is a Pratt product because the precooler outflow vanes are on the LEFT side of the engine. On a GE CF-6, they're located on the RIGHT.
On a Rolls-Royce, they're located... well we're not sure where we put them, we're British. Hence ours spin backwards.
In case anyone isn't sure what I'm referring to, I'm talking about the four vertical vanes in the core cowl, forward of the exhaust cone.
ElmoTheHobo From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 1515 posts, RR: 1 Reply 11, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 1654 times:
Quoting 777STL (Reply 8): I'm not sure if TW's 767s ever actually flew for AA, they were dumped almost immediately and AA put a new order in for more 763s(10?)
AA ordered 9 763s + 2 777s to replace TWA 767-300s and move the A300s off of transatlantic routes. The goal at the time was to only fly 767-300s and 777s across the Atlantic, move A300s to the Caribbean and Florida, and eliminate the sub fleet of Pratt powered ex-TW 767s.
These 11 aircraft were the last widebodies received by American, as Boeing didn't let them defer them.
IIRC the last TW 763 left service just before the St. Louis hub was closed in November 2003.
Malaysia From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 3183 posts, RR: 0 Reply 12, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 1598 times:
I usually go by the visual of the exhaust nacelle being more curvy on a PW and straighter on a GE
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TristarSteve From Sweden, joined Nov 2005, 3690 posts, RR: 34 Reply 13, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 1 day ago) and read 1570 times:
Quoting AA737-823 (Reply 10): On a Rolls-Royce, they're located... well we're not sure where we put them, we're British. Hence ours spin backwards
On the RB211 they are in the pylon. The HPSOV is in the interservices fairing (the strut inside the engine) and the rest is in the pylon. RB211s are just different, the core engine is bare, the C ducts do not open (except on the B757), the accessories are all on the fan case.
AA737-823 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 5338 posts, RR: 11 Reply 14, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 23 hours ago) and read 1565 times:
TristarSteve From Sweden, joined Nov 2005, 3690 posts, RR: 34 Reply 15, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 22 hours ago) and read 1541 times:
Quoting AA737-823 (Reply 14): It was a joke. Nonetheless, I learned from what you wrote, so thank you.
I realised that, but have to defend the RB211. It may turn backwards, but compared to a JT9 it was so easy to work on, with 90pc of the components under the fan cowl. No opening of C ducts for us!
AA777223 From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 1112 posts, RR: 7 Reply 16, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 18 hours ago) and read 1470 times:
Quoting ElmoTheHobo (Reply 11): These 11 aircraft were the last widebodies received by American, as Boeing didn't let them defer them
Not to split hairs, but I believe AA received 2 new 772s last year for the China routes.
ElmoTheHobo From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 1515 posts, RR: 1 Reply 17, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 13 hours ago) and read 1392 times:
Quoting AA777223 (Reply 16): Not to split hairs, but I believe AA received 2 new 772s last year for the China routes.
Completely forgot those, delivered 2006, the 767s and 777s from the order place in mid 2001 were delivered 2002-2003.
Jfk777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 7343 posts, RR: 7 Reply 18, posted (4 years 7 months 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 1235 times:
The 767-200ER fleet had P&W JT9D-7R4D engines. They started on the domestic side but went to Europe when TWA pioneered 767 flights with 60 minute ETOPS.
AWACSooner From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 1415 posts, RR: 1 Reply 19, posted (4 years 7 months 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 1159 times:
413X3 From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 1983 posts, RR: 0 Reply 20, posted (4 years 7 months 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 1149 times:
Didn't AA just basically dissolve TWA to get rid of one more competitor? I don't think even in any good economic times that they would have merged the employees. Maybe the airplanes if anything but they really had it out to screw over the employees, especially the pilots.
777STL From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 3033 posts, RR: 3 Reply 21, posted (4 years 7 months 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 1073 times:
Quoting 413X3 (Reply 20): Didn't AA just basically dissolve TWA to get rid of one more competitor? I don't think even in any good economic times that they would have merged the employees. Maybe the airplanes if anything but they really had it out to screw over the employees, especially the pilots.
American itself couldn't have cared less about screwing over the TW employees. It was AA's existing unions that took care of that.
KC135TopBoom From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 11708 posts, RR: 52 Reply 22, posted (4 years 7 months 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 1024 times:
Quoting 413X3 (Reply 20): Didn't AA just basically dissolve TWA to get rid of one more competitor?
Quoting 777STL (Reply 21): American itself couldn't have cared less about screwing over the TW employees. It was AA's existing unions that took care of that.
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