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User currently offlineHiloboy1 From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 81 posts, RR: 1
Posted (5 years 9 months 8 hours ago) and read 7267 times:

Are we GO!ing?

New interisland airline service to debut
Mokulele Airlines and Republic Airways will begin offering flights on Nov. 19 on 70-seat Embraer jets

By Jennifer Sudick

POSTED: 01:03 p.m. HST, Oct 15, 2008

Mokulele AIrlines said today that beginning Nov. 19 it will offer 70-seat Embraer 170 jet service between Honolulu, Kona and Lihue. The service will be offered through a new airline agreement with Indianapolis-based Republic Airways.
Mokulele AIrlines said today that beginning Nov. 19 it will offer 70-seat Embraer 170 jet service between Honolulu, Kona and Lihue. The service will be offered through a new airline agreement with Indianapolis-based Republic Airways.

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User currently offlineFATFlyer From United States of America, joined May 2001, 5789 posts, RR: 15
Reply 1, posted (5 years 9 months 8 hours ago) and read 7250 times:

From another article
Key commercial terms of the agreement include:

**Mokulele will purchase all capacity at predetermined rates and will directly pre-pay or reimburse Republic for industry standard pass-through costs, including fuel.
**The first two aircraft are expected to be placed into service on November 19, with an additional two aircraft planned to enter revenue service during the spring of 2009.
**The agreement has a term of 10 years from the date of the first aircraft delivery.
**Republic will provide up to $8.0 million in direct financing to Mokulele in the form of a line of credit, which can be converted, at Republic’s option, up to 45% of the common stock of Mokulele

http://www.earthtimes.org/articles/s...ys-to-operate-embraer,581993.shtml



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User currently offlineJBo From Sweden, joined Jan 2005, 2310 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (5 years 9 months 7 hours ago) and read 7225 times:

It doesn't appear to be a Go! type venture ... Mokulele appears to be a separate company contracting with S5 for flights.


I'd take the awe of understanding over the awe of ignorance any day.
User currently offlineCsturdiv From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 1445 posts, RR: 3
Reply 3, posted (5 years 9 months 6 hours ago) and read 7141 times:

Didn't (doesn't) Mokulele operate the Go! Express flights with a C208? Are they still operating these? If so, I wonder how this new partnership is sitting the Mesa/Go!?


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User currently offlineFATFlyer From United States of America, joined May 2001, 5789 posts, RR: 15
Reply 4, posted (5 years 9 months 5 hours ago) and read 7114 times:

The Mokulele website has been updated with a picture of a jet in Mokulele livery.
http://www.mokuleleairlines.com/



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User currently offlineTDubJFK From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (5 years 9 months 5 hours ago) and read 7109 times:

Interesting development for sure ... but that name's GOTTA GO! Mukufukulolole- WHAT?

User currently offlineJetBlueGuy2006 From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 1647 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (5 years 9 months 5 hours ago) and read 7092 times:



Quoting TDubJFK (Reply 5):

The name is interesting, but the pic with the E-170 in the livery with the mountains and ocean in the background is awesome.



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User currently offlineHa763 From United States of America, joined Jan 2003, 3629 posts, RR: 5
Reply 7, posted (5 years 9 months 3 hours ago) and read 7003 times:
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Quoting TDubJFK (Reply 5):
but that name's GOTTA GO! Mukufukulolole- WHAT?

Why? Mokulele is the Hawaiian word for airplane or more literally, flying ship. This is a Hawaii-based airline with an appropriate Hawaiian name.


User currently offlineHiloboy1 From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 81 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (5 years 9 months 2 hours ago) and read 6969 times:

Yes, Mokulele still flies as Go! express (for now); we're wondering what is going to come of this, I'm sure ole JO is passing razor blades about now. But he can't fault Boyle, he's doing exactly what JO has been doing for years and that is getting the best deals even if it means biting the hand that feeds you. But according to JO, "we're in this for the long run" but hasn't produced a larger aircraft or added more to make up for the Mech. breakdowns. So we'll see.

User currently offlineWedgetail737 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5888 posts, RR: 6
Reply 9, posted (5 years 9 months 2 hours ago) and read 6956 times:
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Quoting Ha763 (Reply 7):
Mokulele is the Hawaiian word for airplane or more literally, flying ship. This is a Hawaii-based airline with an appropriate Hawaiian name.

I agree. The name is totally appropriate for the Hawaiian Islands. What other Hawaiian name would the airline be called otherwise?


User currently offlineT prop From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 1023 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (5 years 9 months 2 hours ago) and read 6915 times:



Quoting Hiloboy1 (Reply 8):
Yes, Mokulele still flies as Go! express (for now); we're wondering what is going to come of this, I'm sure ole JO is passing razor blades about now.

JO was on the channel 9 news, he wasn't happy. From KGMB:

go! CEO Jonathan Ornstein says he's disappointed in Mokulele and says he does not plan to continue a partnership with a competitor.

He said Mokulele is two months late paying its fuel bill and wishes they'd focus on their current issues rather than starting another airline.

"Jonathan kind of talks a lot but Jonathan should look at his own operation before talking to other people about past due bills. That's all I have to say," responded Boyer.


http://kgmb9.com/main/content/view/10511/40/

Bye bye go!


User currently offlineImapilotaz From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (5 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 6796 times:

Just look for a very large lawsuit on this. Mokulele would have had access, thru YV's SABRE partition, to very sensitive and confidential information on booking trends, average fare data, etc...

Anyone that is working for Mokulele that used to work for Mesa will likely face a lawsuit as well due to possible breach of the standard confidentiality agreement that is in place when you work for Mesa.


As for the actual venture, talk about the stupidest decision in the history of decisions. Bill never would have gotten anywhere without the go! deal, and no he's managed to con the good folks at Republic into spending their own money (nearly $150M according to the honoluluadvertiser Smile

Quote:

Republic Airways also will provide $150 million in financing, which will include a line of credit and spare engine parts for the new service.

I also love this quote:

Quote:

Mokulele said it won't offer the $29 and $19 fares that go! offered when it launched its interisland service in June 2006. But the carrier said its fares will be competitive with those offered by go! and Hawaiian Airlines, which doubled their lowest one-way fares to about $69 in the wake of soaring fuel prices and the March 31 shutdown of Aloha Airlines.

Anyone that is familiar with Mesa's initial proposal knows that they were planning on offering the $39 on select flights, for a handful of seats. The problem was, the traffic just didnt materialize, especially after the first summer, and go! was forced into doing sale after sale in order to fill their aircraft (and they were only 50 seaters, not 76 seaters). Mokulele/Republic will be starting this service in November, which might be the dumbest idea in the history of airlines. Not to mention they are starting the service in the middle of one of the worst financial crisises in nearly 80 years, which has lead to massive declines in tourism (which is what HI survives on). That combination will prove to be disastrous.

Mokulele will be forced to lower fares well below current prices to pry away HA and go! customers. Keep in mind, go! at this point likely has more than 100,000 frequent flyer members and has over 2 years of "loyalty" built up among its customers. A significant amount of the AQ customers have changed their loyalty to HA, so Im not real sure where Mokulele will get these customers without having to "Steal" them with lower fares at first.

It's a shame, up until now, I thought that Republic was probably the best run, shrewdest of the regional airlines. I think they have gotten the wool pulled over their eyes by Mokulele, and I fear that this may have very negative financial reprecussions for Mokulele and Republic.


User currently offlineImapilotaz From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (5 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 6698 times:

And how does this affect Mokulele/Republic? Leave your anti-Mesa (or anyone) bashing at the door. Even if Mesa goes under, HA has more than enough capacity with the 4 new 717s coming online to meet the needs of the interisland community during this economic downturn. The last thing that HA or go! or Island Air need is another carrier entering the market when there isnt enough demand to fill the capacity thats currently in the market.

This isnt last year or 2 years ago. The HI tourism board is saying that the problems in HI wont be resolved for at least 2 years. This is going to get much uglier before it gets better, and relying on tourism isnt very smart.


User currently offlineExpressJet_ERJ From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 833 posts, RR: 4
Reply 13, posted (5 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 6662 times:

Republic isnt at risk in this deal unlike Mesa in Go!. Republic and Mokulele is a capacity purchase agreement, just like ALL of Republics codeshares. Its fixed income, the only problem is if Mokulele goes under then we have 4 planes without a home.


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User currently offlineTOLtommy From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 3286 posts, RR: 4
Reply 14, posted (5 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 6649 times:

What about a codeshare partner? Is there a mainland carrier who could use an inter-island connection partner, or do they all have one? What about US? Republic does a lot of flying for them now, they would know the product....

User currently offlineImapilotaz From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (5 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 6640 times:



Quoting TOLtommy (Reply 14):
What about a codeshare partner? Is there a mainland carrier who could use an inter-island connection partner, or do they all have one? What about US? Republic does a lot of flying for them now, they would know the product....

AS is the only one without a partner. Boyer is a former AS baggage handler, so one surmizes he probably has some friends with AS, but then again, AS' 2-3 flights a day on a lowly 737 isnt going to make or break this deal. Everyone else domestically is signed up with HA.


User currently offlineHNL-Jack From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 817 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (5 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 6611 times:



Quoting TOLtommy (Reply 14):
What about a codeshare partner? Is there a mainland carrier who could use an inter-island connection partner, or do they all have one? What about US? Republic does a lot of flying for them now, they would know the product....

If Mokulele continues to be successful at establishing itself with the local community as a "local" airline, they may just have a chance. Go! may have established a 100,000+ frequent fliers, but I doubt that many are "loyal." In Hawaii go! is seen as an outsider and predator by many of us that must fly them from time to time.

UA may be the target of a code share relationship. Should Mokulele successfully grow and add additional aircraft I wouldn't be surprised to see UA drop HA. UA only came to HA when they had no choice and as the #1 and #2 carriers between the mainland and HI, it isn't exactly a marriage made in heaven.



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User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 24724 posts, RR: 46
Reply 17, posted (5 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 6594 times:

Well here is Mokulele's planned initial E170 schedule.

MW102 HNL-KOA 0615-0658 X7
MW116 HNL-KOA 0833-0916 Daily
MW894 HNL-KOA 1529-1612 Daily
MW896 HNL-KOA 1832-1915 Daily

MW110 KOA-HNL 0723-0803 X7
MW891 KOA-HNL 0936-1016 Daily
MW895 KOA-HNL 1635-1715 Daily
MW158 KOA-HNL 1935-2025 Daily

MW201 HNL-LIH 0520-0557 X7
MW209 HNL-LIH 0719-0756 Daily
MW891 HNL-LIH 1046-1123 Daily
MW893 HNL-LIH 1332-1409 Daily
MW247 HNL-LIH 1626-1713 Daily
MW895 HNL-LIH 1745-1822 Daily

MW206 LIH-HNL 0620-0649 X7
MW214 LIH-HNL 0820-0849 Daily
MW228 LIH-HNL 1145-1214 Daily
MW894 LIH-HNL 1430-1459 Daily
MW896 LIH-HNL 1733-1802 Daily
MW256 LIH-HNL 1850-1919 Daily

Surprised to see no Maui service eventough Mokulele does offer a few Cessna Caravan HNL-Kapalua Maui flights.




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User currently offlineHiloboy1 From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 81 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (5 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 6501 times:

Imapilotaz,

The only Mesa employees here in Hawaii are the Pilots and FA's; everything else is handled by Swiss Port or United Airlines(Kona), so I don't think there will be any suits. As is stands now, a lot of Go! folks are looking to jump ship as they say they see the writing on the wall. To add to this Swiss Port(their employer) isn't know for taking care of its employees or being loyal to them either, so thats why the some of the Agents are looking to leave within the next couple of months. For my 2 cent prediction, I see Mesa either selling off its Go! to Mokulele or just closing up within the next 6 months as they have enough problems in the mainland to deal with and can't afford another fare war.

I hate to see this happening again as I had a lot of Aloha friends and now it may to happen to all the Swiss Port folks too.

I do applaud Boyer though, he's a smoozer and seems to be able to say the right things. Best quote was about JO minding his own operations before he minds Mokulele's.


User currently offlineTOLtommy From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 3286 posts, RR: 4
Reply 19, posted (5 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 6480 times:



Quoting HNL-Jack (Reply 16):
UA may be the target of a code share relationship.

UA also has a relationship with Republic and the E170. Shuttle America flies in UA colors.


User currently offlineImapilotaz From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (5 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 6473 times:



Quoting Hiloboy1 (Reply 18):
For my 2 cent prediction, I see Mesa either selling off its Go! to Mokulele or just closing up within the next 6 months as they have enough problems in the mainland to deal with and can't afford another fare war.

JO would sooner sell to HA just to spite Bill than to ever sell anything to Bill. Bill just bit the hand that fed him and gave him his chance. Neither HA nor AQ would even talk with him before he became go!Express. Good luck to him, but I'll be shocked if no suits are filed.


User currently offlineEgcarter From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 159 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (5 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 6423 times:

In January, Mokulele will add service to OGG and ITO as two more jets join the fleet.

User currently offlineSearpqx From Netherlands, joined Jun 2000, 4343 posts, RR: 10
Reply 22, posted (5 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 6413 times:



Quoting Imapilotaz (Reply 11):
Just look for a very large lawsuit on this. Mokulele would have had access, thru YV's SABRE partition, to very sensitive and confidential information on booking trends, average fare data, etc...

Anyone else see the extreme irony in this. . . .  Wink

Gotta admit I'm surprised, traffic to Hawaii is WAY down, the interisland ferry is picking up (though admittedly, its to Maui and these flights are to KOA & LIH) and HA is adding 4 717s, I just don't see the demand.



"The two most common elements in the universe are Hydrogen and stupidity"
User currently offlineImapilotaz From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (5 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 6380 times:



Quoting Searpqx (Reply 22):
Anyone else see the extreme irony in this. . . .

Gotta admit I'm surprised, traffic to Hawaii is WAY down, the interisland ferry is picking up (though admittedly, its to Maui and these flights are to KOA & LIH) and HA is adding 4 717s, I just don't see the demand.

Yes i think the irony is quite funny.

I completely agree with you. I just dont see where the demand is going to come from unless they do some serious discounting. With fuel back down to the 60s, perhaps they can afford some sales, but its not like Mokulele has deep pockets to support massive losses. Hell, Im just confused on how they will be able to pay a bill for 2 E170s flying around at likely $1.5M each in expenses per month. Where are they going to get that kind of cash upfront? Especially starting all this flying during a horrific economic crisis and a normally slow time of year anyway.


User currently offlineHiloboy1 From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 81 posts, RR: 1
Reply 24, posted (5 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 6314 times:

Hey Imapilotaz,

Do you think this is Republics way of getting rid of the Mesa competition in the Mainland? As you stated, this is a very expensive move and the traffic just isn't there. But you're probably right about JO not selling to Moku. This will be a wait and see time for all.


25 Penguinflies : I think a good portion of the $150 million is republic's startup costs. Having a spare engine sit in Hawaii for a quick change is a huge expense, plus
26 Pohakuloa : I think this is true because especially with local traffic, go! is seen by most as a last resort. Many would think long and hard about riding a cessn
27 Kunta67 : I wonder if they're going to operate out of gates 49 & 50 in the interisland terminal.
28 Post contains links FATFlyer : Looks like it "A month from now, gates 49-52 at Honolulu Airport will be home to Mokulele Airlines, under a new partnership announced yesterday with
29 Wedgetail737 : If Mokulele becomes popular amongst the interisland services, is it possible that given the lowering fuel prices, they would consider the Hawaii-Mainl
30 HNL-Jack : I would never say never, but I would think that Bill and his team at Mokulele have their hands full building a strategy to be successful locally. I'v
31 Wedgetail737 : I would imagine that he is trying to give Go! the boot out of Hawaii, based on comments made earlier in this thread and other threads. More power to
32 JetJeanes : Heck when go was checking into going to hawaii it recieved info from aq somehow and was sued for 53 million dollars and had to pay it,,, now i heard H
33 HAL : A couple of thoughts; If I'm not mistaken, Mokulele is buying the services of Republic on a 'fee for departure' basis. Even if the plane goes out empt
34 Pohakuloa : Again I agree with HAL. 737 service to Hawaii though once a niche will likely never see a profit (unless of course we see fuel drop by half twice more
35 Wedgetail737 : Understood, but can't ever rule out something like this. If has been done, someone is bound try it irregardless of lack of profitability in the past.
36 Imapilotaz : That's exactly what I am saying. From personal experience, starting anytype of new service is gut wrenching to get the traffic numbers up. Starting s
37 AJMIA : The name may be very appropriate for a Hawaii based airline and I personally like it, but I imagine most non Hawaiian tourists will have trouble reme
38 Hiloboy1 : HAL, as always your right on point!! AJMIA, Its not just picking a hawaiian word for an airline; for one you have to know the meaning behind the word
39 HNL-Jack : Mokulele's initial target has to be to establish a strong local following, which accounts for well over 50% of all inter-island traffic. The two mark
40 LAXintl : Umm, first two markets for the E170s are KOA and LIH. Not Hilo.
41 AJMIA : True But wouldn't Pele Air be cool. They could use a stylized logo of the goddess on the tail. Likewise Air Kamehameha with the king in a classic hea
42 Hiloboy1 : AJMIA, Go! was rumored to mean "go to hell" after JO was told to pack sand from both HA and AQ. BTW Kahuna means priest, so thats not a good name; nor
43 Imapilotaz : Actually Mesa considered lots of local terms and words, but decided they wanted to have a more "sterile" name that could be moved anywhere in the cou
44 HNL-Jack : Thanks...you are correct.
45 Post contains links Oswegobag : http://www.starbulletin.com/business...sa_Air_sues_Mokulele_Airlines.html Here is the news we have all been expecting.............
46 Apodino : Johnny O is retaliating. And he says he may even pull 1900's from the desert if they lose the Mokulele agreement. Why didn't mesa do anything about fu
47 Umfolozi : At first I thought this was some new African airline! The name also sounds very African.
48 Post contains images Je89_w : My, this is whole issue is turning pretty ugly. Ever since the arrival of go!, the interisland market has been in quite a turmoil. Who knows what inte
49 Post contains links Oswegobag : Here is the newest.................. Republic is loaning money to Mokulele... $8 million line of credit. http://www.flightglobal.com/articles...08/10/
50 FATFlyer : That's not new information, I posted that way up in the first reply as part of the agreement terms. " target=_blank>http://www.earthtimes.org/article
51 Oswegobag : Missed that... my bad Sorry
52 Post contains links Oswegobag : Ding Ding Ding Round 2 of the Hawaii Saga.... http://www.starbulletin.com/business...081105_Mokulele_sues_Mesa_Air.html In the right corner we have Mo
53 Ridgid727 : this is interesting, & correct me if I'm wrong, but I was under the impression that while Mokulele was operating as a go! express carrier, they still
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