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UA Order For 787/A350 Soon?  
User currently offlineTranspac787 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 3216 posts, RR: 13
Posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 13839 times:

Hey all,

Well, with AA's major order for 42 plus 58 options on 787-9 today, it seems only one legacy remains to decide between 787 and A350: UA.

So, given orders from NW, CO, AA, US, and DL's merger with current 787 customer NWA, will UA feel the pressure to finally order a fleet replacement??

Given their all-Boeing longhaul fleet, I would imagine UA would most likely choose 787, but can we expect such an order any time in the near future, or am I just daydreaming?!

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User currently offlineSxf24 From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 1262 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 13693 times:

UA can't afford to buy any new planes.

User currently offlineOlympic472 From United States of America, joined Jun 2008, 471 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 13694 times:

IMO only, and to get this thread going.
In sequence of replacement, I think their 757 and 763 will eventually be replaced with the 787series.
Their 777 still have some legs on them. The timeline will probably be after the A350 is in service. If Airbus delivers it to specs the A350 may have a shot. Otherwise it may be more 787.
The 744 fits well with UA's fleet requirements, but in lesser numbers. So it will probably be 747-8 or even the 773ER.

Except for the 744 replacement, this scenario is similar to AA's 42 787-9 today and the 58 787 option.



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User currently onlineUnited1 From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 6086 posts, RR: 9
Reply 3, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 13684 times:



Quoting Sxf24 (Reply 1):
UA can't afford to buy any new planes.

Actually they can, whether they choose to or not at this point is another story. Take a look at the airline financials for next year ALL of the legacies are expected to post a profit in 2009.



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User currently offlineN104UA From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 921 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 13680 times:

UA will buy 788s to replace the 763, I have a source in UA WHQ, they know that they have about 10-15 years on the 763 so they are in no hurry to buy new ones. the same thing with the 748I their 744s are fine for about 10-15 more years so they are in no rush just give it time and we will eventually see an order


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User currently onlineUnited1 From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 6086 posts, RR: 9
Reply 5, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 13629 times:



Quoting N104UA (Reply 4):
UA will buy 788s to replace the 763, I have a source in UA WHQ, they know that they have about 10-15 years on the 763 so they are in no hurry to buy new ones

Sounds about right UA usually keeps a widebody for about 25 years before replacing it that means that the oldest 763 still has about 8 years of life left in it. What had been batted around was a smaller sized expansion order but UA has stated time and time again that they will not order new aircraft till they are back to profitability.



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User currently onlineUnited1 From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 6086 posts, RR: 9
Reply 6, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 13617 times:



Quoting N505FX (Reply 5):
Quoting Sxf24 (Reply 1):
UA can't afford to buy any new planes.

And AA can?

There is that, UA may be loosing money this year but AA actually is loosing more.



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User currently offlineHawkercamm From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2007, 405 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 13391 times:

The US majors have to purchase new equipment otherwise in 5-10 years time they will find themselves at a major disadvantage from non US competition on long haul flights.

User currently offlineZWZWUnited From United States of America, joined Jun 2008, 197 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 13334 times:



Quoting Hawkercamm (Reply 8):
The US majors have to purchase new equipment otherwise in 5-10 years time they will find themselves at a major disadvantage from non US competition on long haul flights.

I am not sure that this is entirely true. While the newer aircraft may have a bit of an edge economically speaking, I think that any aircraft can have a modern, comfortable cabin. It just depends on what the airline is willing to offer. Look at Northwest Airline's DC-9s. They are not as economically efficient as some of the newer Airbuses and Boeings that they may compete against, but they are certainly just as (if not more) comfortable. I don't know that using the words "major disadvantage" is quite correct.

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User currently offlineN505FX From United States of America, joined Aug 2008, 287 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 13133 times:



Quoting United1 (Reply 7):
There is that, UA may be loosing money this year but AA actually is loosing more.

True, lets not forget who (UA) had positive cash flow for all 4qtrs, the only U.S. major to do so.


User currently offlineBrilondon From Canada, joined Aug 2005, 4388 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 13032 times:



Quoting N505FX (Reply 5):
And AA can?

I believe that looking at the present financial state of all airlines right now AA or UA cannot afford not to invest in new aircraft. Eventually the present situation will improve and the airlines will want to be in a position where they can replace aging aircraft to benefit from the lower operating costs of a newer aircraft.

It will depend more on their time line whether they will order the A350 or the B787.

Quoting Hawkercamm (Reply 8):
The US majors have to purchase new equipment otherwise in 5-10 years time they will find themselves at a major disadvantage from non US competition on long haul flights.

They already have a captive market in the general public in the U.S., so what type of aircraft they are flying won't mean anything to them. A lot of Americans do not fly other airlines except for American carriers and they tend to put up with the crappy service of these said airlines now and that won't change in the future either.



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User currently offlineUAL777UK From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2005, 3356 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 12951 times:

I wonder is UA have secured slots on the 787 line?

No disrespect to other legacies but UA have always regarded AA as there main competitor, although of course the landscape is changing with the DL/NW marriage. However as a result of AA's order with the 787 I feel that it can only be a matter of time before UA and the Boys at Boeing meet up in Chicago and perhaps thrash out a deal.
I dont for one minute believe that UA will look at the A350 for longhaul, apart from the fact that UA is Boeing for longhaul, with there cosying up with CO, it makes sense to have a similar fleet to what CO has/is getting.
Time will tell.


User currently offlineMCIGuy From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 1936 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 12943 times:



Quoting Olympic472 (Reply 2):
In sequence of replacement, I think their 757 and 763 will eventually be replaced with the 787series.

I'm getting on a UA 752 in about an hour and a half. UA has a bunch of daily 757 flights out of MCI to DEN. It'd sure be nice to see MCI get the wide body traffic again. Maybe they could reduce frequency and replace the 757 with a 787.  cloudnine 



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User currently offlineSxf24 From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 1262 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 12674 times:



Quoting N505FX (Reply 10):
True, lets not forget who (UA) had positive cash flow for all 4qtrs, the only U.S. major to do so.

UA has NOT had positive cash flow for four quarters. They stood out among airlines in having negative cash flow in Q2.

They are also expected to be in default of loan covenants.

Traffic and revenue metrics have deteriorated at an alarming rate.

The outlook for UA is significantly grimmer than AA.


User currently offlineChrisNH From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 4149 posts, RR: 2
Reply 14, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 12661 times:



Quoting Sxf24 (Reply 1):
UA can't afford to buy any new planes.

Agreed. And why would an airline buy planes that get delivered years after it ceases to exist? Does anyone even remotely think United Airlines will be around when the first of these planes would be delivered? So why even bother ordering them?


User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 31240 posts, RR: 85
Reply 15, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 12598 times:
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I'm less of an opinion that UA can't buy planes, but that they don't want to buy them.

I still believe the goal for Tilton and Company is to merge UA with another carrier - most likely CO. As such, they want to keep UA as unencumbered by debt as they can to make it that much more attractive to either new investors or other carriers.


User currently offlineIloveboeing From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 798 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 12547 times:



Quoting Stitch (Reply 16):
they don't want to buy them

That is the sad truth. As long as UA is under the Tilton regime, with their "let's-screw-the-customers-and-employees-as-much-as-possible" and "let's-degrade-this-airline-into-a-shell-of-its-former-glory-because-all-we-care-about-is-our-bonuses-and-short-term-gain" mentalities, we probably won't see them buy new planes.

I hope that UA merges with CO, the Tilton gang steps down, the CO management takes over, they bring back Gordon Bethune, they buy a bunch of beautiful new 787s (in addition to CO's order), and they focus on providing an amazing, premium product to ALL customers!


User currently onlineUnited1 From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 6086 posts, RR: 9
Reply 17, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 12435 times:



Quoting Sxf24 (Reply 14):
The outlook for UA is significantly grimmer than AA.

Not at this point it ain't, US and AA are both expected to post worse results this year then UA is. Its a moot point anyway, all of the legacies are expected by the analyst community to make it through this downturn at this stage of the game.

Quoting ChrisNH (Reply 15):
Does anyone even remotely think United Airlines will be around when the first of these planes would be delivered?

Even Jamie Baker believes UA will be one of the survivors.....

Quoting Sxf24 (Reply 14):
Traffic and revenue metrics have deteriorated at an alarming rate

UAs revenue is expected to be UP this year even with a significant drop in capacity.

Quoting Sxf24 (Reply 14):
They are also expected to be in default of loan covenants.

Old information, UA padded their cash position over the last couple of quarters they are not expected to default on whats left of their exit financing.

Quoting Stitch (Reply 16):
I'm less of an opinion that UA can't buy planes, but that they don't want to buy them.

Think you hit the nail on the head.



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User currently offlineBobnwa From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 6515 posts, RR: 9
Reply 18, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 12395 times:



Quoting United1 (Reply 6):
Sounds about right UA usually keeps a widebody for about 25 years before replacing it that means that the oldest 763 still has about 8 years of life left in it.

What widebodies has UA usually replaced after 25 years? DC-10 no, 747 no, 767, 777 not yet 25 years.


User currently offlineSlider From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 6912 posts, RR: 34
Reply 19, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 12364 times:



Quoting Hawkercamm (Reply 8):
The US majors have to purchase new equipment otherwise in 5-10 years time they will find themselves at a major disadvantage from non US competition on long haul flights.

UA is at a disadvantage thanks to the albatross of Glenn Tilton. They are truly damned if they do, damned if they don't at this juncture.


User currently onlineUnited1 From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 6086 posts, RR: 9
Reply 20, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 12302 times:



Quoting Bobnwa (Reply 19):
Quoting United1 (Reply 6):
Sounds about right UA usually keeps a widebody for about 25 years before replacing it that means that the oldest 763 still has about 8 years of life left in it.

What widebodies has UA usually replaced after 25 years? DC-10 no, 747 no, 767, 777 not yet 25 years.

I'm not sure what you mean, UA does typically replaces a widebody aircraft after about 25 years of service.....

UA took delivery of its first DC-10 in 1971 and retired it in 1997 26 years later.
Not counting the first 5 741s which were traded to PA after about 15 years of service UA operated its 741s for about 22/26 years on average before retiring them.

Care to clarify what point you were trying to make?



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User currently onlineUnited1 From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 6086 posts, RR: 9
Reply 21, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 12270 times:



Quoting United1 (Reply 21):
Not counting the first 5 741s which were traded to PA after about 15 years of service UA operated its 741s for about 22/26 years on average before retiring them.

I ment to type 25/26 years not 22 years, the site wont let me edit today is anyone else having the same problem?



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User currently offlineJacobin777 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 14968 posts, RR: 59
Reply 22, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 12182 times:



Quoting Slider (Reply 20):

UA is at a disadvantage thanks to the albatross of Glenn Tilton.



Quoting Iloveboeing (Reply 17):
That is the sad truth. As long as UA is under the Tilton regime, with their "let's-screw-the-customers-and-employees-as-much-as-possible" and "let's-degrade-this-airline-into-a-shell-of-its-former-glory-because-all-we-care-about-is-our-bonuses-and-short-term-gain" mentalities, we probably won't see them buy new planes.

Care to explain who took UA out of Chapter 11, possibly Chapter 7?



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User currently offlineIloveboeing From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 798 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 12123 times:



Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 23):
Care to explain who took UA out of Chapter 11, possibly Chapter 7?

And how did Tilton do it? By cutting, cutting and cutting. Cost cutting is not the only (or best) solution to save a company. By doing all of this "cost cutting," UA management has degraded the airline to the point where (sadly) flying United is nothing special anymore. The name "United Airlines" is now associated with "greedy, corrupt management," "lousy, substandard service," "cheap," and "nickel-and-dimed-to-death."

UA should be trying to be competitive, service-wise, in all classes, on all flights. Instead of cutting, they should be upgrading, across the board.

UA had the chance to be one of the first customers for the 787 and they blew it. It appears that management would rather think of themselves, rather than making UA a great airline.


User currently offlineCommavia From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 11819 posts, RR: 62
Reply 24, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 12095 times:



Quoting N505FX (Reply 10):
True, lets not forget who (UA) had positive cash flow for all 4qtrs, the only U.S. major to do so.

Well, I'm not sure which 4 quarters and which other "U.S. majors" you're referring to, but speaking specifically about AMR: AMR has been cashflow positive for every one of the last 4 quarters, both operationally and overall.

Not sure yet about this quarter - the 10Q hasn't been released yet.

So again - not sure where you're getting your numbers from, but United is hardly the only major U.S. airline to be cashflow positive thus far this year, or for the last four quarters.

AMR has been generating mountains of cash - mostly from operations - for the last 18 months.


25 EddieDude : I believe the events of the past three weeks may entirely change this. Demand for air travel will drop sharply as disposable income diminishes, corpo
26 Slider : LOL! Yeah, after the LONGEST stint in BK EVER in history, and then emerged with NO business plan, no model for change, for adjusting to higher fuel c
27 United1 : The 2009 profit projection numbers came out this week, even though there will be a drop in air travel in 2009 remember that the airlines already pull
28 Sxf24 : Are you talking about the A.net analyst community? Wall Street doesn't hold this view... Yes, unit revenue is up. I should have clarified that cost g
29 Texan : Not quite. AA's traffic was down over 11% while capacity was reduced by around 9%, according to a NYTimes article last week. Since many people have n
30 Post contains links United1 : No wall street belives the worst is over.... http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1224...1135847.html?mod=yahoo_hs&ru=yahoo UAs loan covenants dont kick b
31 United1 : Yup but revenue still increased more then enough to make up that 2% spread....loads were all at historical highs a small drop in loads is not a bad t
32 Burnsie28 : They also said that for this year. No, wait too long and it will be far to long for aircraft unless they have secured slots. Well if no one else orde
33 United1 : Was this prior to the run up of oil?
34 SSTsomeday : That's what I thought. Even though the 767s may have some life left in them, and commercial A/C have historically had very long, active lives, it see
35 United1 : Agreed, my own projection for UA is that they will put in a smaller order at some point for the 787 (with probably the same engine type as CO as, eve
36 DC8FanJet : You can be very certain that if United wanted to order today, the order would & could happen. All the major carriers are postioned to order and finan
37 Olympic472 : Yes, well put. Unless UA is getting out of the airline business altogether, they have to get in line at some point in time. Furthermore purchase cont
38 Par13del : This is not intended to be a flame or anything but we have recent history to relate this line of thinking and to a large degree it does not stand up,
39 Rampart : Because they do hope to be around, and want to plan as if they will be around? If they do fail, they would not be the first airline to order planes t
40 Beaucaire : On a more positive remark- United shares currently up + 25%...
41 Beaucaire : Correction - + 28% !!!!
42 Beaucaire : record increase in United shares today-+ 38% !!
43 DL767captain : While i would obviously like UA to order new planes the fact is if they are able to keep their interiors up to date and add things like winglets to im
44 YULWinterSkies : Whoops! Amazing for all the folks who constantly bash UA's 744s for being worn out! I've never been on board any of these so i can't judge, but by kn
45 UA772IAD : How so? Sales in VIP and cargo in particular are coming in... as long as this bird sells as a freighter, and LH is happy with their initial order, I
46 MAH4546 : AA sure can. And starting in a few months (not sure how the Boeing strike is affecting this), a brand-new 737-800 will be delivered to AA approximate
47 Boston92 : For the people who don't think UA will survive, can you all just tell me one thing: Where are you getting your information from? Tell me what makes yo
48 777fan : Hmmm, has anyone considered the fact that they may lease? Just throwing it out there... 777fan
49 DocLightning : Why does it worry you? CK hasn't bought the A380. They're still flying their 744's. So is QF, A380 or not. So is SQ. So is everyone else. The 744 is
50 Boston92 : I meant NOT survive!
51 Lightsaber : Well said. I've been enjoying reading your posts. I was about to put you on my respected user list... but I have a rule... I first check who's on you
52 BAalltheway : IMHO - UA can't afford NOT to buy new planes. Their fleet is aging, and their upkeep and maintenance costs will only get worse as the fleet ages. Not
53 WunalaYann : I think you are right on the mark. I personally would choose a nicely refitted AC 763ER, no matter how old the airframe is, over a cramped spanking n
54 United1 : True maintinance always goes up as plaes get older but UAs widebody fleet is not actualy that old. The 744s were delivered between 1989-2000 and are
55 Sxf24 : Who would lease to UA?
56 United1 : Pretty much anyone UAs credit rating is just as high as the rest of the legiacies they can borrow money or enter into leases just as easily as any ot
57 Jacobin777 : Last I recall, UA has upgraded their "hard product"......while I'm basically a OneWorld flyer, from what I've seen in the photos, I probably wouldn't
58 WunalaYann : I agree with you 100%. Although I think your argument may need to be measured against a significant jump in technology when the 787 and the 350 come
59 Bobnwa : I don't think most carriers lease their new planes. The buy them by financing them. A case in point would be NWA which owns all 32 of its new deliver
60 Sxf24 : Umm, your info is not current. Moodys cut UAL's rating in July to Caa-1, which is non-investment grade and is normally viewed as poor quality. The ou
61 Jacobin777 : Thanks mate.. ....that's certainly true, however, its a very large capital cost. Given the current economic climate (especially for USofA carriers),
62 Post contains links United1 : I took my ratings off S&Ps website last night..... http://www2.standardandpoors.com/por...0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0.html Check it yourself its co
63 Beaucaire : How come United outperforms the US airline stock-market since yesterday ???? AN incredible 100 % increase for the last five trading days !!!! MUst be
64 United1 : Not according to Moodys they have not.... Long Term Rating: B2, Apr 6 2007 , LT Corporate Family Ratings - Dom Curr ST Most Recent Rating: SGL-2, Apr
65 Kappel : IMHO UA is a prime candidate for the 787/a350 combo. somewhere down the line. As mentioned before, the 777's don't need to be replaced that soon, but
66 DocLightning : I've tried! I think it's broken! Never make the mistake of thinking that short-term changes in stock price have anything to do with long-term viabili
67 Transpac787 : Not really... They have leases on 100% of their CRJ's, almost every 744, a large majority of the 757-200 fleet, and quite a few A320's. Only recently
68 Brilondon : I believe that UA will survive in spite of Tilton. I would like to know that myself. Exactly. Look at NW and their DC-9s. They are in good shape and
69 Sxf24 : I was providing a Moody's - not an S&P - rating. However, Delta was removed from the S&P watch list on 08/28/08. The differences between Moody's and
70 United1 : UAs seems to be right in there with the rest of the legacies, UAs Moodys score is equal to AAs and as for the S&P score they are exactly the same as
71 United1 : Disregard, I see you were using S&P instead of Moody's as your metric, your right S&P did remove DL from credit watch but Moody's still has DL on cre
72 Sxf24 : Absolutely false. The termination of contracts with Airbus demonstrates that UA's business plan and performance does not support the acquisition of a
73 United1 : Um hate to break it to you but UA has NOT terminated its contracts with Airbus, they wrote the value off of their deposits becasue they don't forsee
74 777fan : Given the condition of the short to medium term economy, I think it's easy to see how the leasing option may become that much more attractive for bot
75 EXAAUADL : LOL!!!!! Unemployment in the USA will be approaching 9% in 2009. So what if fuel is sub $50. When Asia had a financial meltdown in 1997-98 traffic fe
76 United1 : Anything possible but these are the current projections...
77 Sxf24 : The deposit will be forfeited and future delivery commitments cancelled. No future aircraft deliveries from Airbus are planned.
78 United1 : Do you have a source for that or is that just speculation? AFAIK UA and Airbus are still negotiating what to do with the deposit, one option as you m
79 Sxf24 : The deposits were completely written off, which is really required when they will be forfeited or not used because the contract is cancelled. If ther
80 United1 : No GAAP rules required them to write the value of the assets down. As is is highly unlikely that they will take delivery of the A319/A320s they are r
81 Sxf24 : The deposits are not necessarily attached to a specific contract. If it was going to be reapplied to spares, it would not have been written off.
82 United1 : The deposits are attached to the purchase of 42 A320/A319 aircraft. The value of the asset was "impaired" therefore it had to be written down, when/i
83 United Airline : Around 30 I would say
84 Olympic472 : Good number. My take is less at 22, max 25.
85 United1 : I have 20 748/773ERs stuck in my head for whatever reason, combined with some 772LRs to replace the 744s on routes where UA is using the 744 for its
86 Olympic472 : For the VLA quads (748) the 22 number is based on frequency, loads, etops, and hub and spoke city pairs. The 777 family is additional as they will st
87 United1 : Sounds like a plan to me
88 Beaucaire : Any stock making more than 125% within ten days is interesting - if not as LT at least as a ST purchase-sell operation... If that is an airline paper
89 Brilondon : Ive read the same information and I believe it was in either in Airliner World or on the ATP website but not sure of either one of them.
90 Bmacleod : UA is more concerned about a potential merger with CO right now than looking at new aircraft orders. And no they won't be ordering A350s....at least a
91 United1 : The only thing that has officially come out that I know of was in UAs 10Q, basically UA does not have a need for the Airbuses and is negotiating with
92 BAalltheway : I think you missed my point. Something else you need to realize (and a lot of the folks who are over-extended these days) when you finance something,
93 HNL-Jack : I agree. As I believe UA has stated, they won't be taking new aircraft until about 2014. And, unless they have slots pre-reserved in an arrangement w
94 N505FX : Remember back at 787 announcement, everyone was belly aching that UA and AA had secured delivery positions and would never get access to the 787 and
95 BAW716 : Where is UA going to get the money to buy these planes? I agree, the 787 would be a great airplane for them; however, they have HUGE fleet issues that
96 United1 : No but even the oldest widebody wont be 25 years old till 2014, UA has some time to decide on a replacement aircraft. You mentioned that UAs fleet is
97 BAW716 : My question was rhetorical. I know it's been discussed to death...but UA has much bigger fish to fry than what aircraft they are going to purchase. b
98 United1 : I agree, thanks for clarifying what you ment
99 Bobnwa : No I got your point, You said most carriers lease their aircraft and I replied that most carriers buy their aircraft by financing them, I never used
100 Jfk777 : IF AA can get 2012 787-9 delivery slots United can too. UA better place an order for 15-20 787 and option another 60-75 airplanes.
101 AirNZ : May I ask on what basis/knowledge you are making such a definitive statement?
102 Bmacleod : My earlier post clearly says UA won't be replacing the 767 with A350s as they are too big to replace the 767s but not the 777-200s. The A350s is a go
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Avianca/ocean Air Will Order A350 Soon! posted Mon Mar 10 2008 14:36:51 by Danimarroquin
AF-KLM : RFP In 2008 For 100 A350 Or 787 posted Thu Nov 22 2007 10:16:31 by FCKC