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Hermes Heir *really* Misbehaves On AF Flight  
User currently offlinePROSA From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 5644 posts, RR: 4
Posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 9558 times:

Surprised this hasn't been posted yet ...

Hermes heir Mathias Guerrand-Hermes is facing federal charges for assaulting the captain of a CDG-JFK flight on AF earlier this week. He's charged with grabbing the captain in ... let's just say a senstive part of the captain's body.

http://gothamist.com/2008/10/16/herm...s_heir_handcuffed_after_grabbi.php

[On a serious note: why would the captain leave the cockpit to deal with a disruptive passenger? I thought that was strictly prohibited.]

[Edited 2008-10-16 07:28:51]


"Let me think about it" = the coward's way of saying "no"
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User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21562 posts, RR: 59
Reply 1, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 9449 times:



Quoting PROSA (Thread starter):
[On a serious note: why would the captain leave the cockpit to deal with a disruptive passenger? I thought that was strictly prohibited.]

My guess is that there are 3 flight crew on this flight, and he was on his break period?



Of all the things to worry about... the Wookie has no pants.
User currently offlineBabybus From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 9170 times:

or he fancied meeting the Hermes heir. Something to tell the kids about when he gets home.

 Wink


User currently offlineLambert747 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 9100 times:



Quoting PROSA (Thread starter):
[On a serious note: why would the captain leave the cockpit to deal with a disruptive passenger? I thought that was strictly prohibited.]

It happens from time to time. Sometimes the passengers, or a passenger for that matter become much to much for even the cabin crew to handle. However, the Captain, ultimately is the last resource you should use.

Quoting PROSA (Thread starter):
Hermes heir Mathias Guerrand-Hermes is facing federal charges for assaulting the captain of a CDG-JFK flight on AF earlier this week. He's charged with grabbing the captain in ... let's just say a senstive part of the captain's body.

Sad to say, people like Mathias, always seems to get off.. Money pays..


User currently offlineMir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 21801 posts, RR: 55
Reply 4, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 9057 times:



Quoting PROSA (Thread starter):
[On a serious note: why would the captain leave the cockpit to deal with a disruptive passenger? I thought that was strictly prohibited.]

Foreign carriers don't necessarily comply with US rules. I'd guess that AF's security policy says that the captain can leave the flight deck as long as some other conditions are met.

-Mir



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User currently offlineLHR777 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 9057 times:



Quoting PROSA (Thread starter):
He's charged with grabbing the captain in ...

... the cockpit?  Wink


User currently offlineLowrider From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 3220 posts, RR: 10
Reply 6, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 9039 times:



Quoting PROSA (Thread starter):
I thought that was strictly prohibited.]

I believe the French are more liberal on this policy than US carriers.



Proud OOTSK member
User currently offline777jaah From Colombia, joined Jan 2006, 1403 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 8967 times:

And according to the pic this happened in AFs 380?? Again, journalists.....



JAAH



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User currently offlineBramble From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 8940 times:



Quoting Mir (Reply 4):
Foreign carriers don't necessarily comply with US rules.

Strangely enough the French have their own aviation authority.


User currently offlineLuv2cattlecall From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 1650 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 6977 times:
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Quoting 777jaah (Reply 7):
And according to the pic this happened in AFs 380?? Again, journalists.....

It's not even like they grabbed a stock shot...they found a rendering of an AF whalejet and took the time to superimpose the guys face on it.... Maybe they should spend more time fact checking than they do on using Msft. Paint?




When you have to breaststroke to your connecting flight...it's a crash!
User currently offline777jaah From Colombia, joined Jan 2006, 1403 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 6762 times:



Quoting Luv2cattlecall (Reply 10):
.... Maybe they should spend more time fact checking than they do on using Msft. Paint?

Probably they couldn't find a pic of a clean AF jet.......  duck 

jaah



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User currently offlineJoemugg From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 61 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 6633 times:

It's an unfortunate circumstance but fortunately for the thug-heir, he's on his own turf. My guess is that some phone calls ($$$$$) will be exchanged in Paris, and this matter will disappear. The spoiled party will in turn attend some sobriety program in Martinique and that shall be the end of it.

User currently offlineMasseyBrown From United States of America, joined Dec 2002, 5562 posts, RR: 7
Reply 12, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 6007 times:

The next Hermes catalog will offer aviation style crotch-grabbing gloves in several colors at 795 euros a pair.


I love long German words like 'Freundschaftsbezeigungen'.
User currently offlineMaxisno1 From New Zealand, joined Jul 2007, 213 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 5797 times:

Sounds like Mathias was looking to join the mile-high club! Silly girl should have accepted the offer and scored herself a free Birkin!  duck 

User currently offlineOldeuropean From Germany, joined May 2005, 2091 posts, RR: 4
Reply 14, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 5116 times:



Quoting Lowrider (Reply 6):
I believe the French are more liberal on this policy than US carriers.

Not only the French.

The whole rest of the world!



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User currently offlineFlySSC From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 7422 posts, RR: 57
Reply 15, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 4789 times:



Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 1):
My guess is that there are 3 flight crew on this flight, and he was on his break period?

 no  only 2 flight crew on a CDG-JFK.

Quoting PROSA (Thread starter):
why would the captain leave the cockpit to deal with a disruptive passenger? I thought that was strictly prohibited

This guy is a famous "V.I.P", not terrorist, and he was obviously completely drunk ! sometimes, the intervention of the Captain, as the authority of the flight is the enough to calm down a situation.


User currently offlineDingDong From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 661 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 4758 times:



Quoting 777jaah (Reply 11):
Probably they couldn't find a pic of a clean AF jet....... duck

I don't know about AF, but 200 hours of suctioning out toilet waste holding tanks on the ground should sufficiently cure him of any desire to get carried away inflight. Big grin



DingDong, honey, please answer the doorbell!
User currently offlineRdwootty From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2005, 905 posts, RR: 2
Reply 17, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 3073 times:

I got all excited when I saw the word Hermes. Thought you meant the aircraft ( silly me thinking this was an aircraft website!!!) Only joking but it would be amazing as the Hermes operated by BOAC flew to africa etc and , to the best of my knowledge, did not fly transatlantic. I did once go on one but did not fly.

User currently offlineLTBEWR From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 13170 posts, RR: 15
Reply 18, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 3024 times:

Another drunken fool gets stupid on an airflight. He must have been really stupid to hit on some guys wife. I do hope he gets charged with a crime, he pleads guilty, goes to some real jail then gets rehab. Then I hope he is banned from flying for a few years unless under very strict standards including being totally sober and no drinking before or during the flight.

Perhaps we just get more attention of such problems more often in the post-9/11 world as on a airplane, but still too many disruptions and bad behaviors by drunks or druggies on flights are happening. All airlines need to sue and recover the additional costs from such events especially if they have to divert and make sure such fools pay for their abusive behaviors.


User currently offlineMir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 21801 posts, RR: 55
Reply 19, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 2977 times:



Quoting Bramble (Reply 8):
Strangely enough the French have their own aviation authority.

Yup. DGAC, if memory serves.

-Mir



7 billion, one nation, imagination...it's a beautiful day
User currently offlineAF1624 From France, joined Jul 2006, 665 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 2806 times:



Quoting Mir (Reply 19):
Yup. DGAC, if memory serves.

Exactly. Direction Generale de l'Aviation Civile


I wonder where this guy will be tried ? In the US, or in France ?

Because the offense was committed on a french airplane over international waters. But it landed in the US. So who has jurisdiction ?



Cheers
User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10925 posts, RR: 37
Reply 21, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 2795 times:



Quoting Oldeuropean (Reply 14):
Quoting Lowrider (Reply 6):
I believe the French are more liberal on this policy than US carriers.

Not only the French.

The whole rest of the world!

Not Singapore Airlines. They are really strict about a lot of things on board their aircrafts including drunken behaviour.

As to the Hermes heir they should give him the same punishment they gave to the fashion supermodel (I forgot her name) when she harrassed a cabin crew member on the British Airways flight.

For people like him with a lot of money, fines mean nothing. Make him do some work for the community. Get him out of his super-wealthy environment so he gets to see what the real world is like.

How about having him cleaning Air France aircrafts on the ground for a whole year?



There was a better way to fly it was called Concorde
User currently offlineYULWinterSkies From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 2184 posts, RR: 5
Reply 22, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 2693 times:



Quoting AF1624 (Reply 20):
I wonder where this guy will be tried ? In the US, or in France ?

Answer in quote below.

Quoting PROSA (Thread starter):
Hermes heir Mathias Guerrand-Hermes is facing federal charges for assaulting the captain of a CDG-JFK flight on AF earlier this week.



Quoting AF1624 (Reply 20):
Because the offense was committed on a french airplane over international waters. But it landed in the US. So who has jurisdiction ?

The US has juridiction since the flight was US-bound. Am i correct?
I think the shoe-bomb story was also on board a foreign aircraft (BA? VS?, or was it actually AA?)



When I doubt... go running!
User currently offline777jaah From Colombia, joined Jan 2006, 1403 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 2683 times:



Quoting YULWinterSkies (Reply 22):
actually AA?)

AA. CDG-MIA iirc. I know for sure it was headed to MIA bc I was there at the time it was suppose to land, waiting for a friend.

JAAH



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User currently offlineGayStudPilot From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 457 posts, RR: 7
Reply 24, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 2662 times:

Was the pilot hot?  Smile

I've had a few pax I wouldn't have minded grabbing me, in private of course.  Smile


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