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User currently offlineAndman From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (15 years 4 months 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 667 times:

What do you think about the FAA's idea to extend ETOPS range to 240 minutes? I think it sounds slightly risky, but I also realize that ETOPS has a great safety record.

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User currently offlineMirage From Portugal, joined May 1999, 3125 posts, RR: 14
Reply 1, posted (15 years 4 months 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 622 times:

I think that´s to protect the 777 against the A340 on the routes over the Pacific. That will permit the 777 users to reroute these crossings saving money.

Luis, Faro, Portugal


User currently offlineCX747 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 4467 posts, RR: 5
Reply 2, posted (15 years 4 months 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 623 times:

Then maybe the Airbus should have never made a twin and started ETOPS.


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User currently offlineGoA340 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (15 years 4 months 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 618 times:

I think they only want to extend it to 207 minutes. That will be enough for 777 operators using the pacific routes...It is a drawback for the A340 but again the decision to go for the 777 or the 340 is not only based on two or four engines. After all the rules are going to apply to the A330 as well, and it is up to airbus to extend the jet's range if it wants to compete more efficiently...

User currently offlineJZ From United States of America, joined May 1999, 252 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (15 years 4 months 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 613 times:

With the track record of 180-minute ETOPS, I think 240-minute ETOPS will be fine. But I wonder what routes can this be applied. On the Atlantic, 180-minutes is more than enough. On the Pacific, I think 210-minutes ETOPS can cover the majority of the routes.

User currently offlineCedarjet From United Kingdom, joined May 1999, 8198 posts, RR: 54
Reply 5, posted (15 years 4 months 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 611 times:

240 minutes (at least) is needed for some routes across the South Pacific, ie Argentina to Sydney, also Perth to Harare and Joburg.

CX747, never missing a chance to deliberately misinterpret a remark and kick off that Airbus vs Boeing thing. Airbus may have pioneered heavy twins, but the 767 was the first ETOPS twin by a mile. A300 Classics have never been used on ETOPS routes, only the -600R. So sorry to deprive you of your moral high horse, Boeing started it. And please refrain from reading things into posts that aren't in fact meant (as is usually obvious).



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User currently offlineWingman From Seychelles, joined May 1999, 2344 posts, RR: 5
Reply 6, posted (15 years 4 months 2 days ago) and read 602 times:

A commercial jet hasn't gone down on twin engine failure EVER. So isn't it time to extend the limits for the 777? The argument is very simple. Boeing needs it, Airbus fears it.

User currently offlineBryanG From United States of America, joined May 1999, 436 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (15 years 4 months 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 591 times:

Last year I remember reading in AW&ST magazine that the fraction of flights that have engine trouble over an ETOPS area is absurdly low: 1 in 60,000 if I remember correctly. The technology in engines is incredible today; the engines of today are much more dependable than even the engines of a decade and a half ago, when twin ETOPS operations started.

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