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Any News Of PT-MUB (TAM's New 773)?  
User currently offlineJmbarros12 From Brazil, joined Nov 2007, 249 posts, RR: 0
Posted (5 years 11 months 6 days ago) and read 8620 times:

Can anyone give us an update about PT-MUB delivery status?

Sds,

João Marcelo


Go Boeing!
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User currently offlineRobffm2 From Germany, joined Dec 2006, 1117 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (5 years 11 months 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 8598 times:

On airfleets.net nothing interesting so far:
http://www.airfleets.net/ficheapp/plane-b777-37665.htm

And still no cabin pics of PT-MUA...  Confused


User currently offlineJmbarros12 From Brazil, joined Nov 2007, 249 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (5 years 11 months 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 8594 times:



Quoting Robffm2 (Reply 1):
On airfleets.net nothing interesting so far:

Tks. I´ve searched on google but found nothing.

Airfleets shows that PT-MUN was delivered on October 4th. Is that correct?

Quoting Robffm2 (Reply 1):
And still no cabin pics of PT-MUA...

Indeed. I found a video on youtube of PT-MUA landing at FRA. Has the B77W to FRA begun?
What about SCL?



Go Boeing!
User currently offlineRobffm2 From Germany, joined Dec 2006, 1117 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (5 years 11 months 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 8566 times:



Quoting Jmbarros12 (Reply 2):
Has the B77W to FRA begun?

Not on a daily basis. I believe these were some test flights. Does anybody know when the 777 will do the GRU-FRA route on a regular basis.

btw, here is the youtube video:


User currently offlineLipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11438 posts, RR: 58
Reply 4, posted (5 years 11 months 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 8521 times:
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Quoting Robffm2 (Reply 1):
And still no cabin pics of PT-MUA...

Yes !


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Quoting Jmbarros12 (Reply 2):
Has the B77W to FRA begun?

Yes and effective Oct 20, FRA become daily 77W both ways.

Quoting Jmbarros12 (Reply 2):
What about SCL?

Daily service with 77W.

Quoting Jmbarros12 (Thread starter):
Can anyone give us an update about PT-MUB delivery status?

Already in São Paulo, flying to REC and SCL, will begin service to FRA by Oct 20/21
(MUA is already on FRA route)



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User currently offlineRobK From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2004, 3947 posts, RR: 18
Reply 5, posted (5 years 11 months 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 8461 times:

PT-MUB delivery flight -

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/TAM9395

R


User currently offlineRobffm2 From Germany, joined Dec 2006, 1117 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (5 years 11 months 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 8397 times:



Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 4):

Already in São Paulo, flying to REC and SCL, will begin service to FRA by Oct 20/21
(MUA is already on FRA route)

Hm, the last days of October, the first week of November I see on TAM's schedule only one 777 flight. The rest is, according to their own timetable, the A345.

Rob


User currently offlineLipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11438 posts, RR: 58
Reply 7, posted (5 years 11 months 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 8305 times:
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Quoting Robffm2 (Reply 6):
Hm, the last days of October, the first week of November I see on TAM's schedule only one 777 flight. The rest is, according to their own timetable, the A345.

Trust me, will be uploaded to full 77W soon.



New York + Rio de Janeiro = One of the best combinations !
User currently offlineDougbr2006 From Brazil, joined Oct 2006, 392 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (5 years 11 months 5 days ago) and read 8248 times:

PT-MUB's last photo showing it on the flight line at Paine was 27th September. See link

http://paineairport.com/images/kpae4142.jpg

She is the bird to the right almost nose on PT-MUC is 1st aircraft on left.

Her last photo in flight was September 18th. See link.

http://paineairport.com/kpae1229.htm

After this date its seems to have disappeared from the flight line. PT-MUC is still sitting as in the above pic.

PT-MUD went to the paint shop. 12th October. See Link

http://paineairport.com/kpae1315.htm

Since 27th September no pics and no noticeable flights. Apparently she was waiting some internal finishing, seating, galley equipment etc.


User currently offlineRobK From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2004, 3947 posts, RR: 18
Reply 9, posted (5 years 11 months 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 8231 times:



Quoting Dougbr2006 (Reply 8):
PT-MUB's last photo showing it on the flight line at Paine was 27th September. See link

http://paineairport.com/images/kpae4142.jpg

She is the bird to the right almost nose on PT-MUC is 1st aircraft on left.

Her last photo in flight was September 18th. See link.

http://paineairport.com/kpae1229.htm

After this date its seems to have disappeared from the flight line. PT-MUC is still sitting as in the above pic.

PT-MUD went to the paint shop. 12th October. See Link

http://paineairport.com/kpae1315.htm

Since 27th September no pics and no noticeable flights. Apparently she was waiting some internal finishing, seating, galley equipment etc.

Umm... I take it you never bothered to read the thread before posting, otherwise you would have seen reply 5.

R


User currently offlineDougbr2006 From Brazil, joined Oct 2006, 392 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (5 years 11 months 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 8104 times:



Quoting RobK (Reply 9):
Umm... I take it you never bothered to read the thread before posting, otherwise you would have seen reply 5

Yes, I do and if you check the flightaware link, the flight is incomplete and has no reg to back it up. In any case a photo has now appeared on airliners,net

http://www.airliners.net/photo/TAM/Boeing-777-32W-ER/1412074/L/

Was added after my post .....

Problem solved !


User currently offlineRobffm2 From Germany, joined Dec 2006, 1117 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (5 years 11 months 9 hours ago) and read 7950 times:

Just two more pics of TAM's PT-MUA in Frankfurt from a Frankfurt spotter site:

First flight on 20-September with water fountain

A few days later on 22-September

[Edited 2008-10-23 02:08:08]

User currently offlineRobffm2 From Germany, joined Dec 2006, 1117 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (5 years 10 months 3 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 7745 times:

http://picasaweb.google.de/lh/photo/HTSE1TXWMbTMgMsDNl_tQw

http://picasaweb.google.de/lh/photo/TlBlM8m7aRrTLxxOOl1grA

http://picasaweb.google.de/lh/photo/GwClpG-0Rrqm_grAccOpvA

Yesterday my bf arrived with PT-MUB from GRU.
Sorry for the links, somehow i don't get the direct image links to work.

[Edited 2008-11-01 04:40:38]

User currently offlineHardiwv From Brazil, joined Oct 2004, 8780 posts, RR: 49
Reply 13, posted (5 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 7676 times:



Quoting Robffm2 (Reply 12):
http://picasaweb.google.de/lh/photo/HTSE1TXWMbTMgMsDNl_tQw

http://picasaweb.google.de/lh/photo/TlBlM8m7aRrTLxxOOl1grA

http://picasaweb.google.de/lh/photo/GwClpG-0Rrqm_grAccOpvA

Yesterday my bf arrived with SA)">PT-MUB from GRU.
Sorry for the links, somehow i don't get the direct image links to work.

Thanks for the links, interesting. I would be nice to see the seats in the fully reclined position. But in general it just looks like the typical business products nowayds used by airlines such as AF, KL, AM. It does not equal the product of SA and LA which provide seats with full, 180 degress recline.

It is a shame TAM did not decide to go a notch above the competition introducing 180 degrees seats.

Rgs,


User currently offlineRobffm2 From Germany, joined Dec 2006, 1117 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (5 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 7651 times:



Quoting Hardiwv (Reply 13):
Thanks for the links, interesting. I would be nice to see the seats in the fully reclined position. But in general it just looks like the typical business products nowayds used by airlines such as AF, KL, AM. It does not equal the product of SA and LA which provide seats with full, 180 degress recline.

It is a shame TAM did not decide to go a notch above the competition introducing 180 degrees seats.

My friends says it reclines completly (180 degrees). Even though it's not horizontial.


User currently offlineHardiwv From Brazil, joined Oct 2004, 8780 posts, RR: 49
Reply 15, posted (5 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 7567 times:



Quoting Robffm2 (Reply 14):
My friends says it reclines completly (180 degrees). Even though it's not horizontial.

Well, that' s the difference, it reclines about 170 degress (= "slippery slope") the same as KL, AF, AM, etc. In the meanwhile, LAN and SA, and AC and DL (new), for example, recline 180 degrees = completely horizontal.

Rgs.


User currently offlineLipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11438 posts, RR: 58
Reply 16, posted (5 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 7548 times:
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Quoting Robffm2 (Reply 14):
My friends says it reclines completly (180 degrees). Even though it's not horizontial.

MUA/MUB seats are the same used on MVB/MVD and i flew MVD with this very same seat. Two comments, it's not fully flat, and F class seats were not delivered, however, TAM is selling F and passengers are flying with C seat (at least up to last week)



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User currently offlineHardiwv From Brazil, joined Oct 2004, 8780 posts, RR: 49
Reply 17, posted (5 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 7482 times:



Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 16):
MUA/MUB seats are the same used on MVB/MVD and i flew MVD with this very same seat. Two comments, it's not fully flat, and F class seats were not delivered, however, TAM is selling F and passengers are flying with C seat (at least up to last week)

I would say this is complete lack of consideration for the customer. You pay for F service and product, which is supposed to include a better seat than C, but you end up with the same seat as C.

Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 16):
it's not fully flat,

Provided TAM offers and outstanding onboard service it could still make the airline very good. But I am disappointed TAM decided not to go for the full flat (180 degrees) seat. By the way, introduction of the new seat is so slow that the day they finish the work the product will be outdated. LAN already completed installation of its new seats in the strong-B767 fleet.

Rgs,


User currently offlineJava6673 From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 76 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (5 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 7444 times:
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Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 16):
MUA/MUB seats are the same used on MVB/MVD and i flew MVD with this very same seat. Two comments, it's not fully flat, and F class seats were not delivered, however, TAM is selling F and passengers are flying with C seat (at least up to last week)

LipeGIG,

There is a big discussion with the seat manufacture (Weber) regarding this 180 degrees issue, will be a few retrofit to those seats, first the cushion will be replaced to try to help this problem after that will be some mod on the frame of this seat  worried 


User currently offlineLipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11438 posts, RR: 58
Reply 19, posted (5 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 7330 times:
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Quoting Java6673 (Reply 18):
There is a big discussion with the seat manufacture (Weber) regarding this 180 degrees issue, will be a few retrofit to those seats, first the cushion will be replaced to try to help this problem after that will be some mod on the frame of this seat

Hope it works. Even F/A staff says that the majority of it's customers are complaining a lot about the seats. Thanks for the info.

Quoting Hardiwv (Reply 17):
I would say this is complete lack of consideration for the customer. You pay for F service and product, which is supposed to include a better seat than C, but you end up with the same seat as C.

Agree

Quoting Hardiwv (Reply 17):
Provided TAM offers and outstanding onboard service it could still make the airline very good. But I am disappointed TAM decided not to go for the full flat (180 degrees) seat. By the way, introduction of the new seat is so slow that the day they finish the work the product will be outdated. LAN already completed installation of its new seats in the strong-B767 fleet.

Use to be a outstanting onboard service Hardi, but now isn't so good as use to be. TAM big mistake was not to try to talk to it's customers BEFORE introduce the new seats. They could do some demo sessions for their Premium Customers (even on their lounge or in business events) to make sure they will offer the right product.



New York + Rio de Janeiro = One of the best combinations !
User currently offlineTonytifao From Brazil, joined Mar 2005, 1022 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (5 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 7322 times:

And those are some ugly COACH seats! horrible colors in my opinion.

So is F class empty with no seats or do they have Biz seats filling up the area?


User currently offlineJmbarros12 From Brazil, joined Nov 2007, 249 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (5 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 7316 times:



Quoting Tonytifao (Reply 20):
And those are some ugly COACH seats! horrible colors in my opinion.

I totally agree. Looks like Air India´s coach seats.

They should have used some blue on it. It would look much nicer...



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User currently offlineLipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11438 posts, RR: 58
Reply 22, posted (5 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 7306 times:
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Quoting Tonytifao (Reply 20):
So is F class empty with no seats or do they have Biz seats filling up the area?

They placed C seats instead while they do not have the F available.

Quoting Jmbarros12 (Reply 21):
I totally agree. Looks like Air India´s coach seats.

They should have used some blue on it. It would look much nicer...

And many complains that it's not so comfortable as the previous one.
A case where the focus on revenue increase would kill the brand.



New York + Rio de Janeiro = One of the best combinations !
User currently offlineJmbarros12 From Brazil, joined Nov 2007, 249 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (5 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 7223 times:



Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 22):
A case where the focus on revenue increase would kill the brand.

Indeed.

IMHO, big mistake made by TAM knowing that it would join *A... JJ has to offer the same quality service as its partners. But what matters is "how many" and not "how good" in the main routes that demand F and C products.



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User currently offlineLipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11438 posts, RR: 58
Reply 24, posted (5 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 7215 times:
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Quoting Jmbarros12 (Reply 23):
IMHO, big mistake made by TAM knowing that it would join *A... JJ has to offer the same quality service as its partners. But what matters is "how many" and not "how good" in the main routes that demand F and C products.

They could for example introduce a Premium Economy on their brand new 777's. I believe they can sustain closer to 30% Premium seats on this route (LH is even more) so 4 rows of 9 seats replacing 5 rows of 10 would allow them to charge a 50% premium on such seats, considering the huge difference between Y and C for mostly long haul routes to Brazil.



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25 Jmbarros12 : Makes totally sense. The gap price between Y and C, as you said, is outrageous. If they introduced a fourth fare type, I'm sure they could improve th
26 LVZXV : Quick diversion of the topic (though still related to the 777s): Will PT-MSH be retired tomorrow 04-11-08? And any semi-firm delivery date for PT-MUC?
27 LipeGIG : I ask my self all days why JJ insist in sell 300+ Y seats knowing that demand for premium seats is enough to pay at least for 15% of them a good prem
28 LVZXV : Obrigado Felipe! Still praying that PT-MSJ can fly me to SP on 13/12... What will A345s be doing once both are flying again? Saludos, ZXV
29 LipeGIG : TAM will use them on MXP route.
30 LipeGIG : Probably tomorrow will fly ferry GRU-VCE as JJ9394.
31 LVZXV : Confirmed?
32 LipeGIG : Yes ! Bye Bye MSH !
33 Post contains links Jmbarros12 : http://www.airliners.net/photo/TAM/Airbus-A330-223/1419434/L/ No doubts about that. Just horrible.
34 C010T3 : If you haven't been to TAM's lounges, you haven't seen anything.
35 LipeGIG : The big issue is that they are far from being comfortable for a long flight. Could be a good seat for 1 hour trip on short domestic routes.
36 LVZXV : If those are the new TAM seats, I think I'll go back to flying AR, UX and AF as of next year. They give me a stiff neck just by looking at them! Salud
37 Jmbarros12 : Yes, never entered a TAM´s lounge. Is it that bad?
38 Post contains links C010T3 : LipeGIG took some pictures of TAM's lounge at GIG right after inauguration. I'm sure he won't mind that I have dug them up: http://i193.photobucket.c
39 LipeGIG : Yes, i have some friends and colleagues that are trying to avoid Tam because of such seats. C and Y.
40 Robffm2 : I did Tuesday evening FRA-GRU on PT-MUB in C and Thursday GRU-MAO on PT-MVO in Y. And I must tell you that I do not share the critisicsm of the seats.
41 Jmbarros12 : Tks for the pictures. The plane seats sure look fine now! Sds, Joao Barros
42 SBGLexpat : 10 abrest (3 4 3) in Y... Is there enough demand all year around for all those seats? Applies to Y as well... Regards.
43 LipeGIG : In which seat you travel on MVO ? I travel recently on MVD (which has the same seats of the 77W fleet) and let me tell you, compared to the old ones,
44 Post contains links and images Robffm2 : On PT-MVO I was in Y. As far as I can say MVO has the same seats as MUB (both in C and Y) Here are some pics: The plane in GRU: http://picasaweb.goog
45 LipeGIG : Thanks, it's interesting to see the power ports on Y ! About the seat, my experiences with such seat (Y) on domestic flights, compared to the previou
46 Hardiwv : Anything related to outstanding in TAM is well hidden in the past...As you said, TAM should have tried the product before implementation. " target=_b
47 C010T3 : TAM can't help it. It's how T2 was designed.
48 Juventus : When can we expect to see a TAM 777 at Los Angeles??? or at least an A330?? ps (I'd rather see a 777.....) saludos
49 LipeGIG : You know my opinion about TAM product development, which is closer to yours. They need to learn how to be not only the leader (they are), but the bes
50 Post contains links Jmbarros12 : Cool video of PT-MUB's delivery flight, with Mr. David Barioni Neto as captain. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YUFsFmmqvMY Cheers, Joao Barros
51 Robffm2 : They show this video also on their IFE on their A32x fleet. It's fun to watch. I had the pleasure to fly PT-MUA and PT-MUB in the last two weeks, bot
52 Post contains links Robffm2 : As promised above, here are some pics of the Y cabin, sorry for the bad quality, I had to use my cell phone (of course in off line mode): Before the d
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