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Emirates Trims LAX & SFO Start Up Schedules  
User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 24707 posts, RR: 46
Posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 11848 times:

Seems like instead of delaying the start ups again, EK due to equipment shortage (Boeing strike) has reduced the previously announced daily services to LAX and SFO to 3x per week each instead.

DXB-LAX eff 10/26 operates Wed, Fri, Sun

DXB-SFO eff 12/15 operates Mon, Thu, Sat


More egg on Emirates face with these last minute changes!  fight 

I understand many of the LAX flights the first few weeks had strong bookings particularly in premium classes.

[Edited 2008-10-18 18:21:33]


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User currently offlineMarcoPoloWorld From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 630 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 11639 times:

LaxIntl,
Thanks for always staying on top of the latest developments. Yah, I saw this also on the EK webpage, although the temp intro reduction is (or was) shown inconsistently.

Given the initial fleet constraints, the updated interim schedule make alot of sense, maximizing coverage until sufficient deliveries are made.

I may live to regret saying this (hehe), but I really think EK is in California to stay! Emirates is the future.

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User currently offlineRonerone From Jordan, joined Aug 2004, 1653 posts, RR: 53
Reply 2, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 11592 times:

With this initial 3 weekly schedule, i am sure these flights will be so overbooked everyday, that traffic will be spilling back to other airlines.


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User currently offlineLHRBFSTrident From UK - Northern Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 654 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 11533 times:

good to hear the premium classes are selling well - I imagine the Persian community in LA will switch to EK, rather than the usual schlep through LHR/CDG/AMS/FRA

I hear radio ads here every day for the EK non-stop from LAX

The fares are also very good, although they aren't advertising any discounted-Y fares yet - I booked JFK-DXB-JNB-DXB-LAX over New Year for $1200 all in, which I though was excellent for southern hemisphere double high-season...



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User currently offlineBrilondon From Canada, joined Aug 2005, 4097 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 11498 times:



Quoting LHRBFSTrident (Reply 3):
I booked JFK-DXB-JNB-DXB-LAX

You certainly are going around the long way to get to LAX from New York.  biggrin 



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User currently offlineFlyDreamliner From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 2759 posts, RR: 15
Reply 5, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 11389 times:

You know, those A340-500s they have could probably make it, certainly heavily restricted, but they have the 77Ws to run the A345 routes they have now. Put the 77L on the LAX route, put the A345s on the SFO route (I assume LAX is heavier in booking than SFO), payload restrict it, and run the routes as scheduled.


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User currently offlineB747forever From Sweden, joined May 2007, 17046 posts, RR: 10
Reply 6, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 11354 times:

Well, when does EK expect to run a daily flight to LAX and SFO??


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User currently offlineZK-NBT From New Zealand, joined Oct 2000, 5283 posts, RR: 11
Reply 7, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 11291 times:



Quoting FlyDreamliner (Reply 5):
You know, those A340-500s they have could probably make it, certainly heavily restricted, but they have the 77Ws to run the A345 routes they have now. Put the 77L on the LAX route, put the A345s on the SFO route (I assume LAX is heavier in booking than SFO), payload restrict it, and run the routes as scheduled.

EK don't have any spare aircraft to run the existing 77W flights if they put the 77W on the 345 routes.


User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21456 posts, RR: 60
Reply 8, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 11253 times:

EK has been advertising on the radio quite a bit for these flights, but I can't recall if they mention they are daily or just non-stop. They are promoting the ULH nature of the flight by talking about how the IFE has all these movies to watch, and enough to time to watch them. That's one way to look at it.  Wink


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User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 24707 posts, RR: 46
Reply 9, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 11178 times:



Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 8):
I can't recall if they mention they are daily or just non-stop

Still advertising daily online.

Celebrate our historical launch - daily non-stop service from Los Angeles to Dubai begins October 26th 2008, followed by daily non-stop service from San Francisco to Dubai beginning December 15th 2008.

When the schedules we're changed this week, BA sales was right on top of it and put out some blast email/faxes to travel professionals with Dubai fares and made some comment along the lines "To Dubai -- Daily"

As I said this is definately egg on EK's face again. They have spent fortune advertising, holding mass parties and building up the the initial September 1st launch, then to have to smooth things over and fix all the missed bookings and push for the revised Oct 26th launch to then have the schedule be reduced to 3x weekly obviously again irking lots of people and creating havoc with bookings over the next several months.



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User currently offlineB747forever From Sweden, joined May 2007, 17046 posts, RR: 10
Reply 10, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 11080 times:



Quoting LAXintl (Reply 9):
As I said this is definately egg on EK's face again. They have spent fortune advertising, holding mass parties and building up the the initial September 1st launch, then to have to smooth things over and fix all the missed bookings and push for the revised Oct 26th launch to then have the schedule be reduced to 3x weekly obviously again irking lots of people and creating havoc with bookings over the next several months.

But when is EK planning to go daily on these routes??



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User currently offlineAlangirvan From New Zealand, joined Nov 2000, 2106 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 11050 times:



Quoting LAXintl (Reply 9):
When the schedules we're changed this week, BA sales was right on top of it and put out some blast email/faxes to travel professionals with Dubai fares and made some comment along the lines "To Dubai -- Daily"

Surely this is not about Flights to Dubai daily, because DXB is only the connection point. How many passengers will be O/D for Dubai itself - about 40% of passengers per flight? BA will be doing connections between California and India/Pakistan, and the idea of T5 when it is working smoothly the transfer should be as good as anywhere.


User currently offlineGkirk From UK - Scotland, joined Jun 2000, 24899 posts, RR: 56
Reply 12, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 10958 times:



Quoting LAXintl (Reply 9):
As I said this is definately egg on EK's face again.

Perhaps they will get some large compensation from Boeing, seeing as it is Boeing's fault.



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User currently offlineSsides From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 4059 posts, RR: 21
Reply 13, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 10402 times:



Quoting B747forever (Reply 10):
But when is EK planning to go daily on these routes??

They will go daily when they have the requisite aircraft. Due to the Boeing strike, they will not get them as planned.

EK could have gone daily on LAX in December, but that would have meant delaying SFO. So, they'll wait. My guess is that LAX will go daily sometime in January, while SFO in late Feb. or March (depending, of course, on Boeing's delivery schedule -- and booking loads at SFO, which I hear could be somewhat disappointing).



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User currently offlineJfk777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 8244 posts, RR: 7
Reply 14, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 9959 times:
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Emirates has gone as far east and south it could go, AKL, SYD, JNB and GRU. NOW its as far west as they could go, California is a welcome addition and filling a large gap in the EK route map. Miami, ORD and IAD would be great additions for more service to the USA.

User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21456 posts, RR: 60
Reply 15, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 9527 times:



Quoting Gkirk (Reply 12):
Perhaps they will get some large compensation from Boeing, seeing as it is Boeing's fault.

According to what some more expert people have said, the contracts have force majeur clauses dealing with union actions that basically say that the buyer understands when purchasing the aircraft that such things may happen and Boeing is not responsible.

I'm sure someone can be more specific if they know more.



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User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 24707 posts, RR: 46
Reply 16, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 9322 times:



Quoting B747forever (Reply 10):
But when is EK planning to go daily on these routes??

Unknown at this point. Ask Mr. Boeing and the IAM.

Quoting Alangirvan (Reply 11):
Surely this is not about Flights to Dubai daily,

The point is BA is taking a stab at EK, and wants folks to know that it offers DXB services on a daily basis. I'm certaint in its own there is a fair amount of DXB only destined folks and BA would like to remind.

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 15):
contracts have force majeur clauses

Indeed strikes are considered force majure and outside of normal delayed delivery compensation.



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User currently offlineLightsaber From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 12771 posts, RR: 100
Reply 17, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 9209 times:
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Quoting LHRBFSTrident (Reply 3):
I hear radio ads here every day for the EK non-stop from LAX

Are they only doing radio? Those are the only ads people seem to notice. Are their any billboards? How are they advertising the SFO flight? More radio too?

Oh, EVERYONE seems to think this is the introduction of A380 service to LAX!  rotfl 

Trying to correct them doesn't work... I wonder if this is due to QF starting LAXA380 services only a few weeks before?

Quoting B747forever (Reply 10):
But when is EK planning to go daily on these routes??

About 3 weeks after Boeing gets back into production.  Wink

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 16):
The point is BA is taking a stab at EK, and wants folks to know that it offers DXB services on a daily basis.

I think the point is also to take away 'mind share.' But if the responses I'm getting are any clue, EK's radio ads are doing *very* well in the LA market.

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User currently offlineKU747 From Kuwait, joined Mar 2008, 375 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 9162 times:



Quoting FlyDreamliner (Reply 5):
You know, those A340-500s they have could probably make it, certainly heavily restricted, but they have the 77Ws to run the A345 routes they have now. Put the 77L on the LAX route, put the A345s on the SFO route (I assume LAX is heavier in booking than SFO), payload restrict it, and run the routes as scheduled.

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You are absolutely correct, but do they have an additional one to cover SFO?



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User currently offlineAS739X From United States of America, joined Apr 2003, 6075 posts, RR: 24
Reply 19, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 9148 times:



Quoting Lightsaber (Reply 17):

I've heard nothing on radio or TV here in the Bay Area

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User currently offlineB747forever From Sweden, joined May 2007, 17046 posts, RR: 10
Reply 20, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 9090 times:



Quoting Ssides (Reply 13):
They will go daily when they have the requisite aircraft. Due to the Boeing strike, they will not get them as planned.

EK could have gone daily on LAX in December, but that would have meant delaying SFO. So, they'll wait. My guess is that LAX will go daily sometime in January, while SFO in late Feb. or March (depending, of course, on Boeing's delivery schedule -- and booking loads at SFO, which I hear could be somewhat disappointing).

Okay, thank you for your reply. Well I hope that EK can get their a/cs as fast as possible and launch a daily service



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User currently offlineLHRBFSTrident From UK - Northern Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 654 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 8870 times:



Quoting Brilondon (Reply 4):
You certainly are going around the long way to get to LAX from New York.   

...I'm just doing it for the food - 10 EK meals between JFK and LAX, yum!  Big grin

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 9):
creating havoc with bookings over the next several months.

Well at least in the last 4 weeks or so when I made my reservation, the booking engine wouldn't let you book except on the 3x weekly schedule, so there may not be too many reservations to shift around.



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User currently offlineAirNZ From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 8801 times:



Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 15):
According to what some more expert people have said, the contracts have force majeur clauses dealing with union actions that basically say that the buyer understands when purchasing the aircraft that such things may happen and Boeing is not responsible.

I'm sure someone can be more specific if they know more



Quoting LAXintl (Reply 16):
Indeed strikes are considered force majure and outside of normal delayed delivery compensation.

Yep, indeed so and covers compensation for such action. It however doesn't disregard the fact that Boeing are still responsible, per sé, for EK being without their aircraft


User currently offlineSpeedbird0125 From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 184 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 8703 times:

what terminal is EK going to use at LAX? maybe TBIT?

User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 24707 posts, RR: 46
Reply 24, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 8290 times:



Quoting Speedbird0125 (Reply 23):
what terminal is EK going to use at LAX? maybe TBIT?

Yes TBIT



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25 LHRBFSTrident : What a relief - because my booking confirmation from EK states T3 for arrival at LAX, and as much as TBIT can be a hell-hole, T3 is worse!
26 LAXintl : Just dont be surprised if you end up on a remote stand are bussed in, especially if other carriers are running a bit off schedule. EK is the new kid o
27 LAXintl : p.s. - I think the DXB terminal is T-3 which just opened.
28 Lightsaber : Thank you. I'm surprised... since they are persuing premium traffic... they need to get mindshare... Or is word of mouth 'good enough' in the Bay Are
29 LAXintl : T-2 is even more crowded in the afternoon with widebodies (AF, KL, VS, NZ) virtual zero chance of EK getting a gate. Delta is not much into 3rd party
30 Post contains links and images LHRBFSTrident : yup - defo T3 ex-DXB, but the itin also appears to show a T3 arrival at LAX, which must be an error
31 SL1200MK2 : To be honest, I spend a lot of time on here reading these threads and I obviously have an interest in airlines and I didn't know until now exactly whe
32 Alangirvan : These are just the start of the EK presence in California. Would they build to better than daily frequency so they connect California into the banks a
33 Lightsaber : In LA, the talk radio stations were flooded with EK ads. I find the difference in marketing interesting. Last time I was at the TBIT was about April.
34 Ssides : EK215 will depart DXB at 08:20 and arrive LAX at 13:05. The return EK216 will depart LAX at 16:00 and arrive DXB at 19:55. Schedules for SFO are simi
35 LAXintl : So any of out LAX photo aficionados manage to catch shots of today's inaugural arrival or departure?
36 B747forever : So today was EKs first flight to LAX??
37 Ikramerica : Yes, clearly an error. EK was parked at TBIT tonight around 5:30PM. Looked like Gate 122 from my vantage point.
38 Post contains links MarcoPoloWorld : Hard to find articles so far..... Emirates Launches Non-Stop Flight to Los Angeles http://www.khaleejtimes.com/DisplayA...euae_October617.xml§ion=
39 B747forever : Okay, thank. Didnt realise that they already started their LAX service.
40 BEYauty : When I first started looking at flights about 2 months ago I could have sworn that there were daily flights available for booking through EK's website
41 Post contains images LAxintl : Courtesy of Emirates/Business Wire Taxiing on the backside of TBIT
42 Post contains images LAXintl : Fuuny pic got cut in 1/2. Try this -
43 B747forever : Wow, that pics is really nice. Thank you for sharing
44 BEYauty : My in-laws took the LAX-DXB flight on Friday and reported that it was a nice smooth flight, and almost completely full. Congrats EK and LAX on this fl
45 LAXintl : A little update - Now with the Boeing strike over, and some clarity on new deliveries, EK has updated their schedules. LAX becomes daily effective Feb
46 Post contains links Jfk777 : Several photos of several Emirates 777 can be seen at www.paine-field.com. Also a VAustralia 777 and a TAM 777.
47 Johnboy : I heard just a short commercial on talk radio about a week ago in the San Francisco market (KGO 810).
48 LHRBFSTrident : My itin now corrected to show TBIT as arrival terminal... Are the 77Ls payload restricted at all DXB-LAX?
49 Ikramerica : They must be. It's 7250nm, which is in the restricted area of the curve for this aircraft.
50 Jacobin777 : ..about 266 seats in 3-class configuration and about 10 tonnes of cargo (each direction)...not too bad if one asks me for a 15 1/2 to 16 hour flight.
51 Ikramerica : not bad at all, or they wouldn't be running it. but it is restricted compared to the max payload ability of the aircraft.
52 Haan : To be totally honest, the DXB-LAX flight is not payload restricted at all. This taking in consideration of the take off performace for today at Dubai.
53 Post contains images Jacobin777 : ..quite possibly, I haven't run the numbers in a long time..IIRC, DXB-LAX/SFO wasn't really running too restricted (if at all) for the -200LR's.... H
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