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RSW - ISP On B6, But Not WN: Error Or Hint  
User currently offlineN7190JR From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 108 posts, RR: 0
Posted (5 years 11 months 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 2882 times:

The title says it all. I was looking around swfia.com , the website for Fort Myers (RSW), and on their non stop flight list, they show ISP as jetBlue not Southwest....lol. Could this be a hint? As a Long Islander I have heard rumors of B6 operating ISP-RSW for ever, but with Southwest doing it, I personally would doubt it. I checked both WN and B6's websites and their is nothing on jetBlue's, and Southwest still shows the service.

So what do you guys think?  Wink  stirthepot 

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User currently offlinePhatfarmlines From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 1358 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (5 years 11 months 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 2845 times:

It's an error. WN is supposed to be listed there.

User currently offlineJetBluefan1 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 2987 posts, RR: 14
Reply 2, posted (5 years 11 months 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 2816 times:

Definitely an error. If B6 does indeed open ISP, it will not be to RSW (at least at the beginning).

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User currently offlineBOStonsox From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 1990 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (5 years 11 months 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 2706 times:

I'm surprised B6 isn't at ISP yet. But if they go there, I think we'll see MCO, FLL, PBI, TPA, in that order, before RSW. But yeah, that's an error on the site.


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User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32785 posts, RR: 72
Reply 4, posted (5 years 11 months 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 2583 times:



Quoting BOStonsox (Reply 3):
But if they go there, I think we'll see MCO, FLL, PBI, TPA, in that order, before RSW.

FLL before MCO; just like LGA was launched first from FLL.

It's easier to compete with WN at FLL than at MCO; Southwest struggles to capture South Florida-originating traffic.



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User currently offlineSWASFLA From United States of America, joined Aug 2008, 79 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (5 years 11 months 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 2565 times:



Quoting BOStonsox (Reply 3):
I'm surprised B6 isn't at ISP yet

Not really suprised. B6 doesn't usually compete head to head with WN. Just on a few routes.


User currently offlineBOStonsox From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 1990 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (5 years 11 months 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 2530 times:



Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 4):
FLL before MCO; just like LGA was launched first from FLL.

Actually, I think we'd see both at the same time. I just put MCO ahead since it has such high O&D. NK has said they may come back to ISP at some point.

Quoting SWASFLA (Reply 5):
Not really suprised. B6 doesn't usually compete head to head with WN. Just on a few routes.

The difference is that it's New York. They already serve the other 5, so it seems like ISP would be a natural place for them to expand to. I'm sure there are many reasons they haven't gone there though.

I wonder if B6 would think outside the box with ISP, and fly places like BOS or IAD. I think places that are close by but a long drive would work. They could take advantage of Long Island's geography where there is a huge population and plenty of demand for travelling to nearby cities, but have to either drive across Queens and Manhattan, take a ferry to Connecticut, or go to JFK or LGA to take a flight to these cities. I think they could fill an E190.



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User currently offlineMOBflyer From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 1209 posts, RR: 4
Reply 7, posted (5 years 11 months 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 2488 times:



Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 4):
Southwest struggles to capture South Florida-originating traffic.

Not sure where you got that from.

For the year ending Q1 2008, approximately 37.41% of WN's FLL-ISP passengers originate in FLL, consistent with the FLL-NYC average of 38.92% and the South Florida-NYC average of 38.10%.


User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32785 posts, RR: 72
Reply 8, posted (5 years 11 months 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 2467 times:



Quoting BOStonsox (Reply 6):
I just put MCO ahead since it has such high O&D.

South Florida-Islip is 27% larger than Orlando-Islip.

Quoting MOBflyer (Reply 7):
Not sure where you got that from.

For the year ending Q1 2008, approximately 37.41% of WN's FLL-ISP passengers originate in FLL, consistent with the FLL-NYC average of 38.92% and the South Florida-NYC average of 38.10%.

Very easy to to that on a monopoly route.

Southwest has historically struggled to get FLL-originating traffic outside of their popular intra-Florida flights; though that trend started reversing around 2007 thanks to other airlines cutting back and Southwest finally entering markets from FLL that they should have been flying in 2000.



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User currently offlineBOStonsox From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 1990 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (5 years 11 months 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 2428 times:



Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 8):
South Florida-Islip is 27% larger than Orlando-Islip.

I'm surprised. Nationwide, MCO has more O&D than FLL, though FLL is up there too. I guess that depends more on where you're coming from.



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User currently offlineMOBflyer From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 1209 posts, RR: 4
Reply 10, posted (5 years 11 months 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 2401 times:



Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 8):
Very easy to to that on a monopoly route.

Sorry, thought you meant FLL-ISP specifically, not FLL in general.


User currently offlineJetBluefan1 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 2987 posts, RR: 14
Reply 11, posted (5 years 11 months 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 2401 times:



Quoting BOStonsox (Reply 9):
I'm surprised. Nationwide, MCO has more O&D than FLL, though FLL is up there too. I guess that depends more on where you're coming from.

Most Long Islanders who have homes in Florida tend to have homes more in Palm Beach/Boca Raton/Fort Lauderdale/Miami than Orlando and its suburbs. This explains why ISP-FLL is larger than ISP-MCO.

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User currently offlinePVD757 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3413 posts, RR: 16
Reply 12, posted (5 years 11 months 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 2353 times:



Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 8):
though that trend started reversing around 2007 thanks to other airlines cutting back and Southwest finally entering markets from FLL that they should have been flying in 2000.

like, oh, PVD maybe, cough, cough.

Quoting BOStonsox (Reply 6):
NK has said they may come back to ISP at some point.

They said basically the same thing when they left PVD too.


I'm surprised that even in today's difficult environment, that WN hasn't started PVD-RSW. I know that RSW is PVD's largest market without nonstop service, and I'd venture that PVD is among RSW's top as well.

Back to the topic: I can see ISP having a role in the B6 Florida network at some point.


User currently offlineMOBflyer From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 1209 posts, RR: 4
Reply 13, posted (5 years 11 months 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 2318 times:



Quoting PVD757 (Reply 12):
. I know that RSW is PVD's largest market without nonstop service, and I'd venture that PVD is among RSW's top as well.

Depending on the quarter, RSW and the LA Basin vie for PVD's top unserved spot. Year round, it is the LA Basin that ranks as PVD's largest unserved destination.

And yes, PVD is RSW's largest market that is not served nonstop, year round and in any quarter.


User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32785 posts, RR: 72
Reply 14, posted (5 years 11 months 6 days ago) and read 2288 times:



Quoting BOStonsox (Reply 9):
I'm surprised. Nationwide, MCO has more O&D than FLL, though FLL is up there too. I guess that depends more on where you're coming from.

You can't compare the O&D of MCO and FLL equally. You have to combine FLL with the other area-airports to measure the size of the market. South Florida is larger most of the time.

Unfortunately, DOT does not combine the South Florida airports, nor do they combine the LA or Bay Area airports. They only combine New York, DC, Houston, Dallas, and LA.

DOT also does not combine TPA/PIE and MCO/SFB, though given PIE and SFB's limited market size and lack of scheduled service except for Allegiant, it is negligible.



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User currently offlineTbird From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 851 posts, RR: 19
Reply 15, posted (5 years 11 months 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 2099 times:

Bit off topic but two more jet bridges have been installed at ISP for an upcoming new airline to start ISP service according to airport officals.

User currently offlineN7190JR From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 108 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (5 years 11 months 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 2058 times:

Thanks for everyones input!

Quoting Tbird (Reply 15):
Bit off topic but two more jet bridges have been installed at ISP for an upcoming new airline to start ISP service according to airport officals

Is their an outside source on this, I'd like to read up on it.
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User currently offlineBOStonsox From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 1990 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (5 years 11 months 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 2029 times:



Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 14):
You can't compare the O&D of MCO and FLL equally. You have to combine FLL with the other area-airports to measure the size of the market. South Florida is larger most of the time.

Unfortunately, DOT does not combine the South Florida airports, nor do they combine the LA or Bay Area airports. They only combine New York, DC, Houston, Dallas, and LA.

DOT also does not combine TPA/PIE and MCO/SFB, though given PIE and SFB's limited market size and lack of scheduled service except for Allegiant, it is negligible.

Actually, I had taken that from your data on domestic O&D. Unless of course in your data you had also separated MIA, FLL, and PBI, but I didn't think you did since you based it on MSA.

Regardless of which market is larger, if B6 flies ISP-Florida I think MCO and FLL will be announced at the same time, with PBI possibly thrown in as well.



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