N7190JR From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 96 posts, RR: 0 Posted (4 years 8 months 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 2174 times:
The title says it all. I was looking around swfia.com , the website for Fort Myers (RSW), and on their non stop flight list, they show ISP as jetBlue not Southwest....lol. Could this be a hint? As a Long Islander I have heard rumors of B6 operating ISP-RSW for ever, but with Southwest doing it, I personally would doubt it. I checked both WN and B6's websites and their is nothing on jetBlue's, and Southwest still shows the service.
Phatfarmlines From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 1323 posts, RR: 1 Reply 1, posted (4 years 8 months 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 2137 times:
JetBluefan1 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 2791 posts, RR: 15 Reply 2, posted (4 years 8 months 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 2108 times:
Definitely an error. If B6 does indeed open ISP, it will not be to RSW (at least at the beginning).
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BOStonsox From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 1901 posts, RR: 0 Reply 3, posted (4 years 8 months 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 1998 times:
I'm surprised B6 isn't at ISP yet. But if they go there, I think we'll see MCO, FLL, PBI, TPA, in that order, before RSW. But yeah, that's an error on the site.
BOStonsox From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 1901 posts, RR: 0 Reply 6, posted (4 years 8 months 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 1822 times:
Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 4): FLL before MCO; just like LGA was launched first from FLL.
Actually, I think we'd see both at the same time. I just put MCO ahead since it has such high O&D. NK has said they may come back to ISP at some point.
Quoting SWASFLA (Reply 5): Not really suprised. B6 doesn't usually compete head to head with WN. Just on a few routes.
The difference is that it's New York. They already serve the other 5, so it seems like ISP would be a natural place for them to expand to. I'm sure there are many reasons they haven't gone there though.
I wonder if B6 would think outside the box with ISP, and fly places like BOS or IAD. I think places that are close by but a long drive would work. They could take advantage of Long Island's geography where there is a huge population and plenty of demand for travelling to nearby cities, but have to either drive across Queens and Manhattan, take a ferry to Connecticut, or go to JFK or LGA to take a flight to these cities. I think they could fill an E190.
MOBflyer From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 1209 posts, RR: 5 Reply 7, posted (4 years 8 months 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 1780 times:
Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 4): Southwest struggles to capture South Florida-originating traffic.
Not sure where you got that from.
For the year ending Q1 2008, approximately 37.41% of WN's FLL-ISP passengers originate in FLL, consistent with the FLL-NYC average of 38.92% and the South Florida-NYC average of 38.10%.
MAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 31156 posts, RR: 76 Reply 8, posted (4 years 8 months 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 1759 times:
Quoting BOStonsox (Reply 6): I just put MCO ahead since it has such high O&D.
South Florida-Islip is 27% larger than Orlando-Islip.
Quoting MOBflyer (Reply 7): Not sure where you got that from.
For the year ending Q1 2008, approximately 37.41% of WN's FLL-ISP passengers originate in FLL, consistent with the FLL-NYC average of 38.92% and the South Florida-NYC average of 38.10%.
Very easy to to that on a monopoly route.
Southwest has historically struggled to get FLL-originating traffic outside of their popular intra-Florida flights; though that trend started reversing around 2007 thanks to other airlines cutting back and Southwest finally entering markets from FLL that they should have been flying in 2000.
BOStonsox From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 1901 posts, RR: 0 Reply 9, posted (4 years 8 months 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 1720 times:
Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 8): South Florida-Islip is 27% larger than Orlando-Islip.
I'm surprised. Nationwide, MCO has more O&D than FLL, though FLL is up there too. I guess that depends more on where you're coming from.
JetBluefan1 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 2791 posts, RR: 15 Reply 11, posted (4 years 8 months 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 1693 times:
Quoting BOStonsox (Reply 9): I'm surprised. Nationwide, MCO has more O&D than FLL, though FLL is up there too. I guess that depends more on where you're coming from.
Most Long Islanders who have homes in Florida tend to have homes more in Palm Beach/Boca Raton/Fort Lauderdale/Miami than Orlando and its suburbs. This explains why ISP-FLL is larger than ISP-MCO.
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PVD757 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3375 posts, RR: 18 Reply 12, posted (4 years 8 months 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 1645 times:
Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 8): though that trend started reversing around 2007 thanks to other airlines cutting back and Southwest finally entering markets from FLL that they should have been flying in 2000.
like, oh, PVD maybe, cough, cough.
Quoting BOStonsox (Reply 6): NK has said they may come back to ISP at some point.
They said basically the same thing when they left PVD too.
I'm surprised that even in today's difficult environment, that WN hasn't started PVD-RSW. I know that RSW is PVD's largest market without nonstop service, and I'd venture that PVD is among RSW's top as well.
Back to the topic: I can see ISP having a role in the B6 Florida network at some point.
MOBflyer From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 1209 posts, RR: 5 Reply 13, posted (4 years 8 months 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 1610 times:
Quoting PVD757 (Reply 12): . I know that RSW is PVD's largest market without nonstop service, and I'd venture that PVD is among RSW's top as well.
Depending on the quarter, RSW and the LA Basin vie for PVD's top unserved spot. Year round, it is the LA Basin that ranks as PVD's largest unserved destination.
And yes, PVD is RSW's largest market that is not served nonstop, year round and in any quarter.
MAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 31156 posts, RR: 76 Reply 14, posted (4 years 8 months 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 1580 times:
Quoting BOStonsox (Reply 9): I'm surprised. Nationwide, MCO has more O&D than FLL, though FLL is up there too. I guess that depends more on where you're coming from.
You can't compare the O&D of MCO and FLL equally. You have to combine FLL with the other area-airports to measure the size of the market. South Florida is larger most of the time.
Unfortunately, DOT does not combine the South Florida airports, nor do they combine the LA or Bay Area airports. They only combine New York, DC, Houston, Dallas, and LA.
DOT also does not combine TPA/PIE and MCO/SFB, though given PIE and SFB's limited market size and lack of scheduled service except for Allegiant, it is negligible.
N7190JR From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 96 posts, RR: 0 Reply 16, posted (4 years 8 months 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 1350 times:
Thanks for everyones input!
Quoting Tbird (Reply 15): Bit off topic but two more jet bridges have been installed at ISP for an upcoming new airline to start ISP service according to airport officals
Is their an outside source on this, I'd like to read up on it.
BOStonsox From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 1901 posts, RR: 0 Reply 17, posted (4 years 8 months 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 1321 times:
Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 14): You can't compare the O&D of MCO and FLL equally. You have to combine FLL with the other area-airports to measure the size of the market. South Florida is larger most of the time.
Unfortunately, DOT does not combine the South Florida airports, nor do they combine the LA or Bay Area airports. They only combine New York, DC, Houston, Dallas, and LA.
DOT also does not combine TPA/PIE and MCO/SFB, though given PIE and SFB's limited market size and lack of scheduled service except for Allegiant, it is negligible.
Actually, I had taken that from your data on domestic O&D. Unless of course in your data you had also separated MIA, FLL, and PBI, but I didn't think you did since you based it on MSA.
Regardless of which market is larger, if B6 flies ISP-Florida I think MCO and FLL will be announced at the same time, with PBI possibly thrown in as well.
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