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User currently offlineL1011buff From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 115 posts, RR: 0
Posted (5 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 10703 times:

I recently flew TATL on US 700 and 701 both A330s and the last row in coach(the middle seats) and the exit rows in coach seats AB and HJ were blocked as crew rests. I haven't seen this on any other carrier. Do others do this and why give up seats to sell, especially those much coveted exit rows which you could sell at an extra price? The seat pitch was awful. I'm 6ft4 and could not put my knees together at a window seat, Luckily on the way over, I had an aisle seat, and on the way back I got a bulkhead seat with some other 6ft+ guys. I flew intra-European with LH and the seat pitch was far superior. What is the seat pitch on the US A330s? Kevin

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User currently offlineKLMCedric From Belgium, joined Dec 2003, 810 posts, RR: 22
Reply 1, posted (5 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 10498 times:

Well, on a A330 you don't have the option to build in a overhead crew rest like on
777 or 747. There's not enough space in the roof for this. So you have two choices here:
either give up some pax seat to provide crewrest, or put in a lower crew rest which
significally diminishes cargo capacity.


User currently offlineAastew From Dominican Republic, joined Oct 2001, 447 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (5 years 9 months 1 week 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 10369 times:

NW A330 crew rest is downstairs at 3 L/R. B747 5R upstairs. B757 TATL last row of coach A/C right.

User currently offlineZkpilot From New Zealand, joined Mar 2006, 4801 posts, RR: 9
Reply 3, posted (5 years 9 months 1 week 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 10326 times:

QF A333 crew rest is 4 seats in front of the lav at L3.
On the A332 the crew rest seats are in front of the lav at L4 and take up the space of 3 normal rows to allow the crew more legroom since these aircraft usually fly longer sectors.
QF 763 also have them back-left at R2 but with regular spacing
All have a curtain that surrounds them.

NZ 763 have hard removable capsules which are pretty good for crew rest.



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User currently onlineCrimsonNL From Netherlands, joined Dec 2007, 1844 posts, RR: 42
Reply 4, posted (5 years 9 months 1 week 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 10313 times:
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I've seen it on a NW A332 from SEA to AMS, on 2 rows, seats A and B were kept free, the front 2 for the crew, and the 2 behind those, so that they could fully recline the seats.


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User currently offlineMauiman31 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 450 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (5 years 9 months 1 week 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 10237 times:
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On AA - 767-300 Hawaii runs from DFW or ORD -- Row 2, seats H and J in First/Biz have always been occupied by Captains and FO's in rotation --- at least the last few years we have flown them on that route.

User currently offlineBrilondon From Canada, joined Aug 2005, 4116 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (5 years 9 months 1 week 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 10216 times:

When I flew to London a few weeks ago the crew rested in the galley. I don't know if there are bunks in there or if there are just seats. If anybody has any more information on this or have seen this on other airlines type away.


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User currently offlineBx737 From Ireland, joined Sep 2001, 678 posts, RR: 3
Reply 7, posted (5 years 9 months 1 week 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 10193 times:

I work for EI. On our flights from DUB/SNN to JFK/BOS/ORD/IAD/MCO there are no crew rest areas provided, so the crew take their breaks in the aft galley. On our LAX/SFO flights we have two different rest areas. EI-DUO has a crew rest area below the cabin at Door 3. On the rest of the A332s we have a rest area in the cabin at Door 3 in what we call the Wendy House. There are bunks in each of those rest areas.

User currently offlineCARST From Germany, joined exactly 8 years ago today! , 811 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (5 years 9 months 1 week 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 10122 times:



Quoting L1011buff (Thread starter):
... I haven't seen this on any other carrier. Do others do this ...

Yes, i've flown with CO in March TXL-EWR on a 752 and the last row, seats DEF (?) were blocked for crew rest, there was even a curtain so pax won't see the sleeping FAs.

Two FAs used the crew rest on our flight between the meal and the snack service. First one FA slept there about 2 hours and then another crew member took over the warmed seats for some 2 to 3 hours.

But even more interesting was that we got seats ABC in the last row and in the rows before us the sky marshals were seated, 3 seats per marshal, is that common handling of these "special passengers"? You could easily spot their holsters under their wide shirts...


User currently offlineTranspac787 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 3187 posts, RR: 13
Reply 9, posted (5 years 9 months 1 week 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 10122 times:



Quoting Aastew (Reply 2):
NW A330 crew rest is downstairs at 3 L/R. B747 5R upstairs. B757 TATL last row of coach A/C right.

These are the FA crew rest areas. And on a sidenote, I do believe on the 75A's the FA crew rest area is on the aircraft's port side. When I flew DTW-FRA on one they had the whole row curtained off.

Cockpit crew rest on the NW A330's is in a bunkroom immediately aft of the cockpit. 747-400 has two bunks, and is also immediately aft of the cockpit on the top deck. On 75A flights longer than 8+ hours, World Business Class seat 4B is blocked for cockpit crew rest.

Quoting CrimsonNL (Reply 4):
I've seen it on a NW A332 from SEA to AMS, on 2 rows, seats A and B were kept free, the front 2 for the crew, and the 2 behind those, so that they could fully recline the seats.

The A332's have identical rest areas to the A333, in the form of a cockpit bunkroom just aft of the cockpit, and an FA bunkroom below deck at doors 3L/R.

However, when the gate agents know the flight will not be totally full, they will block some seats and keep them as supplemental crew rest. Most typically these seats are the last row of coach and the last row of World Business Class. If the flight is booked full, the seats will then obviously be unblocked, but until then the seats will not be assigned and will be kept reserved for additional crew rest.


AA crew rest is as follows:

763 cockpit: seats 2HJ
763 F/A's: seats 17AB, 17HJ

777 cockpit: seats 1A, 2A (in addition to 2-bunk bunkroom)
777 F/A's: 4-bunk bunkroom in between doors 3L/R


UA crew rest is as follows:

763 cockpit: seat 2K
763 F/A's: seats 13AB, 14AB

772A cockpit: seat 3A
772A F/A's: seats 17HJ, 18HJ, 19HJ

772ER cockpit: 2-bunk bunkroom just aft of cockpit
772ER F/A's: 4-bunk bunkroom by doors 3L/R, plus seats 9AB

744 cockpit: 2-bunk bunkroom just aft of cockpit
744 F/A's: 8-bunk bunkroom by door 5R



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User currently offlineBramble From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (5 years 9 months 1 week 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 9889 times:



Quoting L1011buff (Thread starter):
I recently flew TATL on US 700 and 701 both A330s and the last row in coach(the middle seats) and the exit rows in coach seats AB and HJ were blocked as crew rests. I haven't seen this on any other carrier.

Aer Lingus used to have this on their flights DUB-LAX-DUB. The last 3 pairs of seats (45-47HK) on the right hand side were used as the crew rest area on LAX flights.There was a stowable curtain to block off the seats. Sometimes you would find a cheeky pax had tried to sneak into these seats! On all other TATL flights they were sold to pax.


User currently offlineAV8orWALK From United States of America, joined Nov 2006, 180 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (5 years 9 months 1 week 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 9884 times:

Anyone have any pics of crew rest compartments? I don't think I've ever seen any.

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User currently offlineCARST From Germany, joined exactly 8 years ago today! , 811 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (5 years 9 months 1 week 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 9824 times:


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1. Go to the Photo Search Engine:
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2. Select an airplane.

3. Enter "crew rest" in the key words field.

4. Search and you'll find a lot of crew rests, at least a lot of build-in ones like the one posted by myself above.


User currently offlineSoxfan From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 864 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (5 years 9 months 1 week 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 9713 times:

Is there a reason why on some DL 763ERs there are built-in bunkrooms in place of the middle Business-Elite seats in row one, instead of just blocking off those seats for the pilots to use? Is it because of the length of the flights (i.e. to TLV or AMM) or does it have something to do with the pilots' contract? I also believe those bunks are for cockpit crew only, but I could be wrong; are cabin crew also allowed to use them?


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User currently offlineUA772IAD From Australia, joined Jul 2004, 1730 posts, RR: 3
Reply 14, posted (5 years 9 months 1 week 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 9309 times:



Quoting Transpac787 (Reply 9):
772A cockpit: seat 3A
772A F/A's: seats 17HJ, 18HJ, 19HJ



Quoting Transpac787 (Reply 9):

772ER cockpit: 2-bunk bunkroom just aft of cockpit
772ER F/A's: 4-bunk bunkroom by doors 3L/R, plus seats 9AB

Only the Transpacific 777s used primarily on 5,000+ NM runs (N209UA, N216UA-N229UA, or P/N 2609 & 2616-2629) have the lower lobe crew rests. N782UA-N799UA and N204UA, N206UA are configured with the Y seats for FA crew rest and 3A/3J cockpit crew.


User currently offlineTranspac787 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 3187 posts, RR: 13
Reply 15, posted (5 years 9 months 1 week 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 9159 times:



Quoting Soxfan (Reply 13):
Is there a reason why on some DL 763ERs there are built-in bunkrooms in place of the middle Business-Elite seats in row one, instead of just blocking off those seats for the pilots to use?

Yes, they are used on the "ultra long" 763 flights. It's a small subfleet that have the configuration.

Quoting Soxfan (Reply 13):
Is it because of the length of the flights (i.e. to TLV or AMM) or does it have something to do with the pilots' contract?

Yes and yes.

At DL, any flight 8:01 to 12:00 blocktime will have 1 captain and 2 FO's. For flights at 12:01 or longer, there will be 2 captains and 2 FO's. In addition to this, for flights 12:01 and longer, cockpit crew rest must be lie-flat.

Quoting Soxfan (Reply 13):
I also believe those bunks are for cockpit crew only,

This is correct, as there are only two of them.

Quoting UA772IAD (Reply 14):
Only the Transpacific 777s used primarily on 5,000+ NM runs (N209UA, N216UA-N229UA, or P/N 2609 & 2616-2629) have the lower lobe crew rests. N782UA-N799UA and N204UA, N206UA are configured with the Y seats for FA crew rest and 3A/3J cockpit crew.

Yea, I knew all about that I just didn't want to get into the intricate details.

If the 29XX ships are flying a flight 8:01 to 12:00 in duration, only 3A and 17HJ, 18HJ, and 19HJ are blocked off. However, if a 29XX ship is flying 12:01 or longer, 17HJ, 18HJ, and 19HJ are used for pax use, while 8DEF and 9DEF are then blocked off for FA crew rest, in addition to 3J for cockpit crew rest as there are four pilots.



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User currently offlineCell7481 From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 16 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (5 years 9 months 1 week 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 9074 times:



Quoting Soxfan (Reply 13):
Is there a reason why on some DL 763ERs there are built-in bunkrooms in place of the middle Business-Elite seats in row one, instead of just blocking off those seats for the pilots to use? Is it because of the length of the flights (i.e. to TLV or AMM) or does it have something to do with the pilots' contract? I also believe those bunks are for cockpit crew only, but I could be wrong; are cabin crew also allowed to use them?

DL has a subfleet of 763ERs that have the bunks for flights that block longer than 12 hours. The pilot contract requires flat rest for flights longer than 12 hours. These 763s have 2 BE seats removed from the middle row to make room for the flat rest area.


User currently offlineHeathrow From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2005, 978 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (5 years 9 months 1 week 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 8431 times:

TATL on BA 744's, 772's and 763's, almost always the last middle row in economy was crew rest.

User currently offlineTonystan From Ireland, joined Jan 2006, 1414 posts, RR: 2
Reply 18, posted (5 years 9 months 1 week 21 hours ago) and read 7894 times:



Quoting Heathrow (Reply 17):
TATL on BA 744's, 772's and 763's, almost always the last middle row in economy was crew rest.

Well not on the 744's, all the 744's have dedicated crew rest facilities under the tail above the passenger cabin although some also have a small cabin with 4 seats directly behind the WT rear toilets with the ladder up to the bunks.

The 777's without upper lobe crew rest facilities have the 3 seats in the last row and so to do all the 767s!!!



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