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Conde Nast Names Top US Domestic Airlines  
User currently offlineMKE22 From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 1129 posts, RR: 2
Posted (5 years 9 months 1 week 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 2903 times:

http://blogs.wsj.com/middleseat/2008...er-names-names/?mod=googlenews_wsj

A survey recently conducted by Conde Nast recently named the Top 10 Domestic US airlines, and here they are:

1. Virgin America
2. JetBlue Airways
3. Midwest Airlines
4. Hawaiian Airlines
5. Sun Country Airlines
6. Frontier Airlines
7. Alaska Airlines
8. Continental Airlines
9. USA 3000 Airlines
10. ExpressJet

One airline I was almost surprised not to see on the list was AirTran. While I have had bad experiences with them, they do have XM Radio.

Edit: Cross off USA 3000 as they are now done flying scheduled in the states.

[Edited 2008-10-20 13:54:44]


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User currently offlineRichierich From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 4242 posts, RR: 6
Reply 1, posted (5 years 9 months 1 week 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 2871 times:



Quoting MKE22 (Thread starter):
Edit: Cross off USA 3000 as they are now done flying scheduled in the states.

One can only wonder if #3, #5, and #6 are far behind... we can only hope not!

Congrats to VX for winning this award!



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User currently offlineJetBlueGuy2006 From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 1648 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (5 years 9 months 1 week 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 2837 times:



Quoting MKE22 (Thread starter):
Edit: Cross off USA 3000 as they are now done flying scheduled in the states

Actually, they are not done with scheduled flying in the states. The pulled down heavily on Florida flying minus RSW.

They still fly to: Chicago-O'Hare, Cincinnati/Northern Kentucky, Cleveland, Detroit, Philadelphia, Pittsburgh, St. Louis out of there.

They also focus a lot more on International Flying to Mexico.

I am also surprised to not see FL on there. The top 5 are not really surprising especially with VX and red.



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User currently offlineMKE22 From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 1129 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (5 years 9 months 1 week 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 2805 times:



Quoting Richierich (Reply 1):
One can only wonder if #3, #5, and #6 are far behind... we can only hope not!

I think that they will survive, for now. If gas prices stay more stable then they were not too long ago, then there should be no worries for a while.



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User currently offlineConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (5 years 9 months 1 week 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 2778 times:

Curious though... who of any significance really puts all that much stock in this?

What business is going to alter its existing schedule/price-optimum travel patterns because someone moved up/down/on on a highly subjective ranking such as this?

Waste of time.


User currently offlineFlyDreamliner From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 2759 posts, RR: 15
Reply 5, posted (5 years 9 months 1 week 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 2774 times:



Quoting MKE22 (Reply 3):

I think that they will survive, for now. If gas prices stay more stable then they were not too long ago, then there should be no worries for a while.

I'd say odds are strongly against #5 surviving, unless they get sold to someone else, their parent company is going done in flames, and an airline based out of MSP that doesn't do connecting traffic and only does low yielding leisure markets isn't really screaming for buyers. Their 737-800s are about all they've got worth buying.

I think Frontier will probably make it.



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User currently offlineMayor From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 10346 posts, RR: 14
Reply 6, posted (5 years 9 months 1 week 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 2742 times:

Wow! Is WN no longer anyone's pet airline?

BTW, this list seems to be the epitome of "apples and oranges", if you ask me.



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User currently offlineUALFAson From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 693 posts, RR: 4
Reply 7, posted (5 years 9 months 1 week 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 2708 times:

As the posters on the "Middle Seat" web site noted, this list has limited value to the average traveler since 60 percent of the airlines--read 6 out of 10--are niche carriers flying to limited markets and/or aren't even in business anymore.

I've never flown VA, so I'm not knocking their product, but I can't fly them to Denver for work or Dallas to visit friends, let alone to the Roanoke, VAs and Bozeman, MTs of the world. So I couldn't care less if they serve filet mignon on Lenox china in economy class. They don't go where I need them to go, so they certainly can't be "top" in my book.

The list is nominally interesting to read, and maybe more relevant at the international level, but I agree with ConcordeBoy that this list will probably influence very few people, especially since so many niche carriers are included.

I have Premier status with UA, the airline everybody loves to hate, and I enjoy the occasional F upgrade, Economy Plus seating, and priority security and boarding, so they're the "top" for me. I suspect people in Dallas, Atlanta, and a hundred other cities have their own personal "best" carrier.



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User currently offlinePanAm747 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 4242 posts, RR: 9
Reply 8, posted (5 years 9 months 1 week 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 2668 times:

It's always easy being the upstart with flair...you've got lower employee costs, and your main advertising is how you're "different from all the rest"...until you're not the new kid in town. Just ask JetBlue about that one!!

Congrats to Virgin America - they do a great job with their small route structure, as does JetBlue and the others.

Unfortunately, the Midwest of old is no longer. The fresh-baked cookies and 2x2 seating on a DC-9/717 are gone.

Hawaiian will be around, as will Frontier. Sun Country may be slowly bought out by Southwest for their gate space at MSP...

USA3000 and ExpressJet are distant memories.

Funny how this list from the world's most experienced travel magazine is now as out of date as is a map of Czechoslovakia...



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User currently offlineMKE22 From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 1129 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (5 years 9 months 1 week 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 2647 times:



Quoting PanAm747 (Reply 8):
Unfortunately, the Midwest of old is no longer. The fresh-baked cookies and 2x2 seating on a DC-9/717 are gone.

Uhh last I checked they didn't get rid of "Signature Service", and the cookies are still there, along with the 712s... Sure things may have changed a bit, but YX is still dedicated to the same old great service I have gotten every time I fly with them.



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User currently offlineRichierich From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 4242 posts, RR: 6
Reply 10, posted (5 years 9 months 1 week 23 hours ago) and read 2451 times:



Quoting ConcordeBoy (Reply 4):
Curious though... who of any significance really puts all that much stock in this?

Oh only a huge segment of readers of this magazine... it becomes advertising fodder for the top airline too (sort of like a car company earning a J.D. Power award).
Whether you like it or not, companies put a lot of stock in this sort of thing.

What business is going to alter its existing schedule/price-optimum travel patterns because someone moved up/down/on on a highly subjective ranking such as this?

Waste of time.

Maybe but that sounds like what an airline at the bottom of this survey or not even in the top ten would say. Conde Naste (Travel + Leisure does a similar article) are supposed to put together an unbiased survey and see who comes out on top. As has been discussed elsewhere, it may not be a clinical survey but I am quite sure it is not just a random show of hands by the editors - the magazine puts some time into this. Winning this award can have far reaching effects.

Quoting UALFAson (Reply 7):
I've never flown VA, so I'm not knocking their product, but I can't fly them to Denver for work or Dallas to visit friends, let alone to the Roanoke, VAs and Bozeman, MTs of the world. So I couldn't care less if they serve filet mignon on Lenox china in economy class. They don't go where I need them to go, so they certainly can't be "top" in my book.

I think this is the most ridiculous argument yet it keeps coming up every time a smaller airline wins an award.
The survey was not a poll of each airline's route map. It is a measure of their service and quality as defined by the magazine. Just because VX doesn't fly Denver to Dallas doesn't exclude them from that, does it? If that was the logic then no airline would win because no airline serves every major point-to-point route in the USA!

Quoting PanAm747 (Reply 8):
Just ask JetBlue about that one!!

JetBlue didn't win but they did come in #2... and they have won this award for several consecutive years. I'm sure they'd rather have won but I don't think it was a bad showing.



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User currently offlineHNL-Jack From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 817 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (5 years 9 months 1 week 23 hours ago) and read 2412 times:

Happy to see HA recognized for their outstanding hospitality both in the air and on the ground.


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User currently offlineSunking737 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 2038 posts, RR: 9
Reply 12, posted (5 years 9 months 1 week 23 hours ago) and read 2409 times:



Quoting FlyDreamliner (Reply 5):
I'd say odds are strongly against #5 surviving, unless they get sold to someone else, their parent company is going done in flames, and an airline based out of MSP that doesn't do connecting traffic and only does low yielding leisure markets isn't really screaming for buyers. Their 737-800s are about all they've got worth buying.

SY leases all their planes. Don't count them down and out just yet. They filed Chap 11 because of the problems with the parent company. It looks like all the Petters companies with be liquidated to pay off investors. The Feds told SY they would not be part of the Petters liquidation if they filed Chap 11.



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