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Mexicana's Intl Expansion 2 MCO, GRU, LGW & More!  
User currently offlineGhost77 From Mexico, joined Mar 2000, 5217 posts, RR: 51
Posted (5 years 10 months 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 12071 times:

Flights are loaded and bookable!

MEX-MCO:
MX317.. 10:30 14:15 ... 320 0 DAILY E-01DEC
MCO-MEX:
MX316.. 15:15 17:25 ... 320 0 DAILY

MEX-GRU:
MX1689 22:10 11:30+1 767 0 X37 E-10DEC
GRU-MEX:
MX1688 13:10 19:00 ... 767 0 X14

MEX-LGW:
MX1594 14:00 06:55+1 762 0 36 E-17JAN D-16FEB
MX1594 14:00 06:55+1 762 0 2356 E-17FEB

LGW-MEX:
MX1595 10:30 17:35+1 762 0 47 E-18JAN D-17FEB
MX1595 10:30 17:35+1 762 0 3467 E-18FEB

Mexicana keeps on expanding! Unfortunately, I was told EZE could go from 12X down to 10X in order to increase frequencies for GRU.

Mexicana is really close to get a couple of A330s (ex. XL Airways frames, NTU) (things got a little turbulent for several reasons) but hopefully, I can share some good news for you later and if MX introduce this frames, they will be deployed 7X for MEX-MAD-MEX. Mexicana recently pushed the Mexican government to celebrate a new bilateral with Spain, so MX will try hard to get into MAD, it's next long haul destination.

Mexicana will only land 4X in LON because Aeromexico also has 3X cleared frequencies. Anyone has more info on this? Is there a public website from the UK government to check applications like the dot? Does anybody knows WHEN AMX applied for this frequencies? I was told, that if they ever start LON it could be 2Q09.

Mexicana is getting a new c/s by the end of November 08 and Click will also adopt Mexicana's tail.

Click is also searching for a Fokker 100 substitution of its strong 25 Fk.100 fleet, the largest fleet worldwide only after KLM. Discard the E190, they wanted this bird, but leases have sky rocketed.

That´s not it... after MAD one more airport in America is on the map.

More info on the A330s here (only Spanish, sorry):

http://www.apm-group.com.mx/foro/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=292

No que no...? Vamos por más... Vamos por Todo!!!

g77

[Edited 2008-10-20 21:19:34]


Ricardo Morales - flyAPM - ¡No es que maneje rapido, solo estoy volando lento!
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User currently offlineC010T3 From Brazil, joined Jul 2006, 3694 posts, RR: 19
Reply 1, posted (5 years 10 months 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 12016 times:



Quoting Ghost77 (Thread starter):
Unfortunately, I was told EZE could go from 12X down to 10X in order to increase frequencies for GRU.

Actually, that will not be possible as long as the bilateral restricts Mexican frequencies to SAO to 12x weekly. There are 4 frequencies left to be assigned, but they cannot be used for expansion at GRU.


User currently offlineConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (5 years 10 months 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 11976 times:

...any word on further USA expansion?

User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32695 posts, RR: 72
Reply 3, posted (5 years 10 months 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 11951 times:



Quoting ConcordeBoy (Reply 2):
...any word on further USA expansion?

Possibly MIA-MTY in 2009 as Mexicana goes into OneWorld.

And maybe more Mexico-U.S. routes connecting important OneWorld U.S. hubs are on the horizon?



a.
User currently offlineFyano773 From Mexico, joined Mar 2004, 784 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (5 years 10 months 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 11919 times:



Quoting Ghost77 (Thread starter):
MEX-GRU:
MX1689 22:10 11:30+1 767 0 X37 E-10DEC
GRU-MEX:
MX1688 13:10 19:00 ... 767 0 X14



Quoting C010T3 (Reply 1):

Actually, that will not be possible as long as the bilateral restricts Mexican frequencies to SAO to 12x weekly. There are 4 frequencies left to be assigned, but they cannot be used for expansion at GRU.

It seems the bilateral between Mexico and Brazil was amended; AM will be flying MEX-GRU 9X by year end and MX 5X = 14X. At some point, but temporarily, AM will be flying CUN-GRU 2X and MEX-GRU 7X.

MX and RG were partners in the *A days, so I think they are willing to resume their codeshare.

Quoting Ghost77 (Thread starter):
MEX-LGW:
MX1594 14:00 06:55+1 762 0 36 E-17JAN D-16FEB
MX1594 14:00 06:55+1 762 0 2356 E-17FEB

LGW-MEX:
MX1595 10:30 17:35+1 762 0 47 E-18JAN D-17FEB
MX1595 10:30 17:35+1 762 0 3467 E-18FEB

Though some airlines have shifted capacity to LHR and BA offers more connections there, LGW is not so bad. This flight will be an excellent alternative for the under-served MEX-LON market.

Quoting Ghost77 (Thread starter):
Mexicana keeps on expanding! Unfortunately, I was told EZE could go from 12X down to 10X in order to increase frequencies for GRU.

I don't think so; MEX-EZE is one of the most profitable routes in MX's system. In my opinion EZE will continue with the 763 at least 12X and the routes to GRU and LGW will be operated with the new 762.

Anyway, good news...

Fyano


User currently offlineC010T3 From Brazil, joined Jul 2006, 3694 posts, RR: 19
Reply 5, posted (5 years 10 months 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 11846 times:



Quoting Fyano773 (Reply 4):
It seems the bilateral between Mexico and Brazil was amended; AM will be flying MEX-GRU 9X by year end and MX 5X = 14X. At some point, but temporarily, AM will be flying CUN-GRU 2X and MEX-GRU 7X.

No, AFAIK these extra frequencies are seasonal beyond the bilateral agreement.


User currently offlineJfk777 From United States of America, joined exactly 8 years ago today! , 8325 posts, RR: 7
Reply 6, posted (5 years 10 months 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 11679 times:
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Quoting Ghost77 (Thread starter):
Mexicana keeps on expanding! Unfortunately, I was told EZE could go from 12X down to 10X in order to increase frequencies for GRU.

Mexicana flies to EZE as if it owned the route from MEX, but it has all its long haul eggs in one market, EZE. LGW and GRU are good markets for long haul diversification.


User currently offlineFyano773 From Mexico, joined Mar 2004, 784 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (5 years 10 months 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 11558 times:



Quoting C010T3 (Reply 5):
Quoting Fyano773 (Reply 4):
It seems the bilateral between Mexico and Brazil was amended; AM will be flying MEX-GRU 9X by year end and MX 5X = 14X. At some point, but temporarily, AM will be flying CUN-GRU 2X and MEX-GRU 7X.

No, AFAIK these extra frequencies are seasonal beyond the bilateral agreement.

Well, you are right, but this article gives the impression that the bilateral is being revised:


Aeromexico quer voar direto para Cancun no verão

A partir de dezembro a Aeromexico terá nove vôos entre São Paulo e a Cidade do México. Dois deles diurnos e os outros sete noturnos. Mas em janeiro e fevereiro, a empresa quer operar os dois diurnos para Cancun, sem escalas, também a partir de São Paulo. O pedido ainda depende de aprovação das autoridades. Em março, os vôos diurnos para a Cidade do México voltariam e ficariam permanentes na malha da companhia a partir do Brasil...


Regards,

Fyano


User currently offlineC010T3 From Brazil, joined Jul 2006, 3694 posts, RR: 19
Reply 8, posted (5 years 10 months 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 11454 times:



Quoting Fyano773 (Reply 7):
Em março, os vôos diurnos para a Cidade do México voltariam e ficariam permanentes na malha da companhia a partir do Brasil...

Yes, but maybe MX got in the way of AM.


User currently offlineLipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11429 posts, RR: 58
Reply 9, posted (5 years 10 months 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 11370 times:
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Ghost thanks for the news.

Quoting Ghost77 (Thread starter):
Mexicana keeps on expanding! Unfortunately, I was told EZE could go from 12X down to 10X in order to increase frequencies for GRU.



Quoting Fyano773 (Reply 7):
Well, you are right, but this article gives the impression that the bilateral is being revised:

As pointed out by Coiote, it was not revised and in fact AM never got the approval for the frequencies as MX seems to confirm it's schedule. AM now will see further competition at São Paulo as Ocean Air and Varig tried in the past, but this route for sure see stronger demand from Mexico than from Brazil.



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User currently offlineNAVEGA From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 741 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (5 years 10 months 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 11319 times:

Ghost,

Are all the B767s going to be the 300s ??


Great News for Mexicana.


User currently offlinePhllax From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 436 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (5 years 10 months 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 11077 times:

Is this the 2nd or 3rd time for MX in London?

User currently offlineMayaviaERJ190 From Mexico, joined Jan 2008, 302 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (5 years 10 months 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 10969 times:



Quoting Phllax (Reply 11):
2nd or 3rd time for MX in London?

It is Mexicana´s first. First time Intercontinental. First time to the UK.

This is an almost half-century-old rumor finally coming to reality. It began when Mexicana bought it's first jets (Comet 4Cs) in the UK in 1960.


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Many airlines have not been around this long. Many others are gone. I consider this the best present for Mexicana's 88th birthday and it's 74th anniversary of continuous international service on the same route MEX-LAX.



My other plane is an A380.
User currently offlineMX77W From Mexico, joined Apr 2007, 115 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (5 years 10 months 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 10885 times:

First of all, I'm really glad to finally be back in the forum, and most of all I'm extremely excited about all the changes and expansion coming to MX. I've heard of the rumors of the A330's and I really wish they finally settle on something good with the lessors and those birds DO come to MX in '09!!!

Congrats MX, and thank you Ghost for keeping us updated!

I guess it's time to change my signature!!!

:D

MX 77W



When Will MX Fly to Europe??? I guess '09 is the year!!!
User currently offlineGhost77 From Mexico, joined Mar 2000, 5217 posts, RR: 51
Reply 14, posted (5 years 10 months 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 10395 times:



Quoting C010T3 (Reply 1):
Actually, that will not be possible as long as the bilateral restricts Mexican frequencies to SAO to 12x weekly. There are 4 frequencies left to be assigned, but they cannot be used for expansion at GRU.

Hi C010T3,

Bilateral won't be a problem. There's been an agreement between both governments, and somehow, trust me, I don't know MX has FULL approval to fly MEX-GRU 5X even with AMX's 9X and I do know well that bilateral restricts to 12X on MEX-GRU. Perhaps the Brazilian governments is thinking that a 14X between both cities from this side is good enough.

Just like Mexico's-Argentinian bilateral, MEX-EZE is restricted to 14X, of those MXA is flying 12X and AM had an approval for 3X, that is, one more above the limit.

Quoting ConcordeBoy (Reply 2):
...any word on further USA expansion?

Yes, expect probably 2 more destinations in the US for 2009 out from MEX. And probably as MAH4546 says, a MTY-MIA could be now possible. Lots of chances now that MX is entering 1W.

Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 9):
Ghost thanks for the news.

Your welcome! Interesting days ahead for Mexicana considering what happened with OceanAir and Varig's second return which I thought was going to be a successful one under Gol's administration.

MX will do far better and will sure stay for long and they haven't yet started and AM is already crying out load for many new movements from MX!

Quoting NAVEGA (Reply 10):
Ghost,

Are all the B767s going to be the 300s ??

Great News for Mexicana.

No, the 02 B767s due are -200ERs series and in case they A330s don't make it, they'll get a pair of B767s most probably -300ERs as the -200ER's are scarce.

Quoting MX77W (Reply 13):
Congrats MX, and thank you Ghost for keeping us updated!

Hey MX77W, good to see you back!

BTW, effectively today, flights to EZE, GRU, LGW show a mix of B767-200/300ER's equipment.

g77



Ricardo Morales - flyAPM - ¡No es que maneje rapido, solo estoy volando lento!
User currently offlineMX77W From Mexico, joined Apr 2007, 115 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (5 years 10 months 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 10323 times:



Quoting Ghost77 (Reply 14):
No, the 02 B767s due are -200ERs series and in case they A330s don't make it, they'll get a pair of B767s most probably -300ERs as the -200ER's are scarce.

I still have my fingers crossed for those A330's!!! But a couple more -300ER's might just do the trick until these uncertain times change, as long as there is expansion and starting new markets I think it's ok.

I know it's been said in other forums that MX should enter the Mexico-Spain market and Mexico-Europe in general with a better equipment that offers IFE and so on and so forth, but at this point in time, I think it perhaps might be more suitable for MX to go all out and get their "foot in the door" and then worry about the IFE later once they have solidified their position and are able to source/secure more modern birds. I deffinately hope they will stick to the Airbus family as I'm partial to them, but a 77W in MX colours would be awsome!

Quoting Ghost77 (Reply 14):
Hey MX77W, good to see you back!

Thanks Mr. Ghost! Big grin

Also, any news on the new livery (hopefully it's not that Yucky one we've seen around the forums after all!)

Regards,

MX 77W



When Will MX Fly to Europe??? I guess '09 is the year!!!
User currently offlineJMULAH From Spain, joined Nov 2007, 61 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (5 years 10 months 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 10299 times:

No MEX - MAD? i am very surprised about this, i thought they really wanted to compete head to head with AM in the European adventure!

User currently offlineViajero From Mexico, joined Aug 2008, 132 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (5 years 10 months 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 10165 times:
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Great news for MXA! Hopefully these new ventures will go well. I'm looking at the routing and aircraft issue a little differently than most at the moment. I know this issue has been dealt with here before but is it plausible that Manuel Borja at Mexicana will finally get his wish and acquire Aeromexico? That would likely solve the Click dilemma with 190's already in place. It would also perhaps solve some frequency and overlap issues as well. Just a thought...

User currently offlineHardiwv From Brazil, joined Oct 2004, 8780 posts, RR: 50
Reply 18, posted (5 years 10 months 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 10152 times:



Quoting Ghost77 (Thread starter):
Mexicana keeps on expanding! Unfortunately, I was told EZE could go from 12X down to 10X in order to increase frequencies for GRU



Quoting Ghost77 (Thread starter):
MEX-GRU:
MX1689 22:10 11:30+1 767 0 X37 E-10DEC
GRU-MEX:
MX1688 13:10 19:00 ... 767 0 X14

Thanks for the important news. We all welcome more competition in the very lucrative MEX-GRU route which was long overdue for expansion.

MEX-GRU is one of the biggest city-pairs in the world, linking to key emerging markets. I mentioned here many times that MEX-GRU was due for expansion and in future we could expect TAM to enter this market. The business traffic of this route is very dense and demand is high with lots of corporations flying among these cities.

Currently AM extracts very high yields in its most profitable long-haul route: GRU. It is very difficult to see promotional fares on C or Y by AM to MEX and this competition with MX in the market means passengers are the winner.

Quoting Ghost77 (Reply 14):
ilateral won't be a problem. There's been an agreement between both governments, and somehow, trust me, I don't know MX has FULL approval to fly MEX-GRU 5X even with AMX's 9X and I do know well that bilateral restricts to 12X on MEX-GRU. Perhaps the Brazilian governments is thinking that a 14X between both cities from this side is good enough.

You are right, bilateral and slots in GRU not a problem for MX. Even during the current financial crisis we see airlines expanding in Brazil, this is very good news! The Mexico-Brazil market deserved another player to compete with AM already very good service. Competition is always healthy and MX is more than welcome in Brazil.

Regarding the timetable, MX will operate GRU-MEX daylight while AM flies both legs red-eye. This is interesting and means another timetable option is available.

Has MX also moved to MEX new Terminal 2 where AM is now operating? Any indications whether MX will join OW or Star?


User currently offlineMX77W From Mexico, joined Apr 2007, 115 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (5 years 10 months 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 10101 times:



Quoting Hardiwv (Reply 18):
Has MX also moved to MEX new Terminal 2 where AM is now operating? Any indications whether MX will join OW or Star?

AFAIK, and please someone correct me if I'm wrong, but T2 is AM's turf and in turn the SkyTeam fortress @ MEX (save for KLM, AirFrance who stayed behind in T1 due to cargo issues), but T1 will become (and is) MX's turf, so they will stay on their sides of the airport for quite a while, in fact, I believe that MX is currently undergoing some remodels @ T1 to make it more appealing which I believe will be debuting later this year right along with its new image.

Also, remember that MX is due to enter OW officially by next year although they are de-facto part of the alliance now.

Best,

MX 77W



When Will MX Fly to Europe??? I guess '09 is the year!!!
User currently offlineAbrelosojos From Venezuela, joined May 2005, 5088 posts, RR: 55
Reply 20, posted (5 years 10 months 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 10063 times:

Good to see MX expanding. I understand the GRU and MCO additions; could one of the knowledgeable Mexicans or others educate me on the justification for the MEX-LGW flight again. I am sure there has been enough discussion. For some reason, I cannot connect to Sabre to get a feel for the market size ... and was curious. Is this driven pure O&D - connections at LGW are weak - and I recognize MX must have tried for LHR slots.

Saludos,
A.



Live, and let live.
User currently offlineMX77W From Mexico, joined Apr 2007, 115 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (5 years 10 months 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 9981 times:



Quoting Abrelosojos (Reply 20):
could one of the knowledgeable Mexicans or others educate me on the justification for the MEX-LGW flight again.

Hi Abrelosojos!

Though i do not consider myself "knowledgable", I'm going to venture out and give my  twocents  , but AFAIK, MX is going into LGW because either they cannot/could not get any decent slots at LHR. On the other hand, I also think that MX is trying to go for the O&D Market to start until they finally settle the situation with their A330's/B767's so that they can start MAD as I believe they will rely more on IB for intra-europe connections. I do believe that MX has a much better relationship with IB than it does with BA, so perhaps they'll start of with LGW, perhaps code-sharing with BA in their freaquencies to LHR and vice-versa, and once the flight proves successful, perhaps BA might help their new Mexican Partner to get some decent slot times at LHR as their relationship warms once MX is fully in the alliance.

Again, just my  twocents ,

Best,

MX 77W



When Will MX Fly to Europe??? I guess '09 is the year!!!
User currently offlineJuventus From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 2835 posts, RR: 2
Reply 22, posted (5 years 10 months 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 9721 times:

They're flying to GRU X14, but no GIG???? why??

Anyway, i'm sure they'll land in MAD soon, excellent news for them. Not sure about Aeromexico, they can't compete with MX on any territory. GRU and MAD are important AM routes, not sure how this will impact good old Aeromexico??? hum


User currently offlineSANFan From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 5400 posts, RR: 12
Reply 23, posted (5 years 10 months 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 9694 times:

Congrat's to MX on their first TATL venture; good luck in Jolly Old and all the other new destinations! I'm glad to see one of the good guys expanding.

Quoting ConcordeBoy (Reply 2):
any word on further USA expansion?

I bet I know which US city you're mostly thinking about...
and you might guess which one I'm really interested in!  Wink  crossfingers 

Here's to hoping MX keeps the growth going in '09.

bb


User currently offlineAF086 From France, joined Jan 2007, 1059 posts, RR: 9
Reply 24, posted (5 years 10 months 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 9602 times:



Quoting Juventus (Reply 22):
They're flying to GRU X14, but no GIG???? why??

I questioned myself the same thing and it intrigues me. AM announced in Brazil a long time ago that they'd fly to GIG. They decided to increase GRU and now we have MX going there as well. I'm pretty sure GIG can sustain flights to MEX and it's high time for at least a 4x weekly one but for the looks of it we're not gonna see that in a while by neither MX and AM.

I'm curious to see how MX will affect AM's loads to GRU though.



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25 LipeGIG : No doubt, IMO and as we discussed previously, MEX-Brazil is stronger and MX for sure is in a better position than Ocean Air and Varig! Yes, will be a
26 Post contains links and images CessnaLady : Mayavia, I am pretty sure MX flew to Paris on a multi-stop, scheduled service in the late 40s / early 50s. I've seen photographs of MX metal in Le Bo
27 Hardiwv : Agree. I am sure MX carried out a very careful and detailed market study before announcing the new routes. Thanks for reminding us about MX imminent
28 RCS763AV : AV will be getting rid of at least 3 frames next year.... I am so excited for MX! This airline is really nice, but i do have something to say, their
29 C010T3 : Yes, years... I thought they were going for it next year, but with MX, we can just forget about it. They did it only seasonally. Now, it's too late.
30 Juventus : If anybody lands at GIG, it'll most likely be Mexicana, not Aeromexico. MX will do great on MEX-GRU, Aeromexico will be lucky if they continue to do
31 Hardiwv : I agree, AM must now convert back to daily GRU-MEX. It would be a wise move to shift the additional frequencies to operate GIG-MEX instead even if on
32 NAVEGA : Harywv Mexicana has 2 daily flights to EZE. I am very excited for them and they will do well on this route as they tend to do well on any route expeci
33 Hardiwv : EZE could serve as a good example. Thanks for the explanation. However, you have to keep in mind that AM uses its refitted B772 with the new business
34 Pzurita1 : Based on what? DFW, ORD and MIA are 1W hubs, hence MX preponderance over AM JFK? I thought AM had more frequencies in cooperation with DL LAX? Saddly
35 LipeGIG : Hard to explain, but all that "break" the rule are very well and satisfied. It's a concept that only works if you fly to São Paulo. I don't think th
36 Hardiwv : I also dispute the fact that MX wins over AM "always". What is the criteria for such statement? Product? Then one has to consider that GRU gets AM B7
37 LipeGIG : Does MX 767 offers PTV on Y ? In my view, AM will stop getting MX frequent customers on their travel needs to Brazil.
38 Hardiwv : This is for sure, which means AM now will have to fight more to get their customers plus offer promotional fares. MX will also capture many AM custom
39 LipeGIG : Hope they convince Mexican Government to allow Brazilians to visit CUN otherwise they will have a hard time to fill the additional flights with good
40 Hardiwv : As you said, OceanAir and Varig were not competitors!! MX, or TAM are certainly a totally different situation. OceanAir and Varig cannot serve as exa
41 AM744 : From a personal point of view: You tend to get basically the same for 10%-15% less money. Their employees seem to care a bit more than AM's. For some
42 LipeGIG : TAM has a strong domestic network and a good product, however critics over their new C product are increasing a lot. Visa waiver to Brazil will depen
43 C010T3 : That's true, because JJ will never start GIG-MEX before GRU-MEX. MX could really make it work by starting to cooperate with JJ. There is no Star carr
44 LipeGIG : Now with TAM on Star and MX on OneWorld, i don't think they will got a code-share. I also believe MX will settle an interline agreement with both Tam
45 NAVEGA : Hey Guys do not turn this into a Predominance of Mexicana over Aeromexico or vice versa. The Facts are that even pre alliance times, Mexicana has been
46 Pzurita1 : The real question is how the current economic crisis environment will affect these new routes. In fact all new routes being prepared by all airlines w
47 Ghost77 : GIG is Mexico's CUN. Lots of airlines there, but yields are usually lower. My parents have a Travel Agency, many people sent down there, start their
48 NAVEGA : Ghost77 Doesnt Mexicana have 3 or 4 flights a day to and from JFK. I see 2 MEX Daily 1 CUN, 1 MTY that combined is daily. Am I right on this. ??
49 Ghost77 : No please, don't!!! I would consider before a MX-Volaris or MX-Interjet merger and probably, leaving Volaris or Interjet for the Mexican market and t
50 LipeGIG : The fact is that probably MX will got some passengers from AM and some that flies with other airlines (i.e. DL, AA, CO, CM, TA). Mexico is a market t
51 Pecevanne : up to date, advance bookings for MCO, first flight,full,GRU 60%,LGW, only six seats reserved I will keep you informed.
52 MX77W : That's unfortunate for LGW, but great for MCO and GRU, however, we must remember that in reality, MX hasn't truly announced anything and yesterday th
53 NAVEGA : Ghost You do not sound as if you are bashing Aeromexico. I like your postings because they are based on truth and fact and not on National Pride or wh
54 Hardiwv : The domestic network and FF base would be a major upper hand for TAM. Even with TAM questionable C product it would certainly offer more than OceanAi
55 LipeGIG : No doubt, TAM has a better situation than OceanAir or VRG and a well established international network. But i believe the next step in Latin America
56 C010T3 : If JJ can code-share with LA, there will be no problem with MX, since there is no Mexican Star carrier. I beg your pardon?
57 AM744 : To put it nicely. I reckon it was more of an order, as sad as that may sound. Same case with Ecuador (will we ever see MX back at GYE and UIO?) and S
58 Hardiwv : I really appreciate many of your comments but this one really does not make sense. In no way you could compare CUN with a major metropolis such as Ri
59 Ghost77 : Perhaps you don't see my point. I was not saying Cancún, per se, it's a city like Rio. The city has nothing to do with my comparison, I was talking
60 LipeGIG : But their code-share with LA is limited to Chile, Argentina and Peru. I don't expect MX to call LA code-share with Tam. Thanks for the words, as i'm
61 C010T3 : A JJ-MX code-share can be limited to Mexico and Brazil too.
62 LipeGIG : But in this case, you need a new agreement, to be celebrated after TAM asked to take part on Star Alliance.
63 C010T3 : So, they are allowed to keep established agreements, but not close new ones with airlines in other alliances?
64 LipeGIG : AFAIK they negotiated to keep LA agreement but they were asked to drop AF agreement. Further agreements, i believe it's subject to *A consideration.
65 EddieDude : From good sources that cannot be quoted, it appears that the reciprocal visa requirements will be terminated in the short or medium term. I agree wit
66 LipeGIG : That's what is clear as none announces new agreements with other airlines if it's not a direct competitor on a given market. Each alliance has it's r
67 Ghost77 : As bad as it may sounds, unfortunately, this is the truth. That's good news for Mexico and for AM and MX in their route to GRU! This might push JJ in
68 MayaviaERJ190 : These were the Guest Aerovías México/Guest Airlines flights operated with Mexicana's jets after being served with Guest's props. This route was lat
69 JJJM : Hi all It is so sad to see how this post has become a MX vs AM tread instead of enjoying the great news of MX opening new destinations. Let me tell yo
70 Post contains links Latinplane : http://www.timetableimages.com/ttimages/complete/ag/ag61-2.jpg http://www.timetableimages.com/ttimages/complete/ag/ag61-1.jpg Correct Mayavia: Mexican
71 Hardiwv : Indeed, excellent loads for GRU and the flight was NOT even announced. It shows that we had plenty of untapped demand for this route. I do hope MX wi
72 LipeGIG : The difference is a city with 600,000 people that receives closer to 10 millions visitors and another with 6,000,000 people that receive just 2,500,0
73 Ghost77 : JJJM, I'm as annoying as all glorifying posts for AM from AM lovers, and that's OK for me... if you love AM, support and back up everything with good
74 LipeGIG : It's just to show how in fact the traffic in Brazil is not so concentrated on domestic and to show also, how some markets that holds 5% to 14% of the
75 Hardiwv : . Both Brazil and Mexico have a substantive domestic market. It must be said the international market profile is very different than the domestic. ME
76 Post contains links LipeGIG : MEX probably has a bigger international market than Brazil because of the fact the traffic Mexico-US is very huge. But Brazilian domestic traffic is
77 Juventus : Speaking of "International market", just read TAM has 75% of the international market to/from Brazil. Great for TAM........ according to an article I
78 Hardiwv : Not correct. TAM has 75% of the international market to/from Brazil AMONG Brazilian carriers only, this means GOL-RG has the balance, ie 25%. TAM has
79 Juventus : oops, missed that part, the "among Brazilian carriers part", then disregard my statement
80 N405MX : Just to confirm for the A332´s will be coming from CIT (lease) and will be RR powered, will be arriving on Nov-Dec08 to start MEX-MAD on Feb09, seems
81 LipeGIG : Sound a very nice addition. This A332 will provide PTVs ? How about the seats ?
82 Hardiwv : So it seems MX is also starting to bmix up its fleet serving long-haul destination with B767 and now A332. How many B767 are with MX nowadays? Is the
83 JRDC930 : Im glad to se MX flying to LON, its too bad they cant do LHR like the rest of the OW members though... Id love to se mexican eventually get A nice fle
84 JRDC930 : And then only the super wealthy can fly....monopolies arent good for consumers...back to AM and MX, i was under the impression that AM had a better b
85 EddieDude : Hey Hardi, long time no chat! I hope you make it back to MEX soon. It will be very interesting to see how things work out for MX during these difficu
86 GatoVolador : I agree. In my opinion, LHR is very expensive and MAD can perfectly offer what Mexicana needs. On top of that, LGW has also an important BA network.
87 NAVEGA : Not any more. Mexicana has consistenly won awards for their Business Class product both in Mexico and in the USA and even abroad. There is a misconce
88 Ghost77 : Yes, the mix starts, but in the end, Airbus after 18 years (since the first A320 received) has won the long haul battle in the future., seems MX will
89 LipeGIG : Ghost, even for me it's clear MAD is a gold mine considering the size of MEX-MAD market. The A330, well configured and with a good product on C and Y
90 Post contains images MayaviaERJ190 : London from Jan 17 09 Sao Paulo from Dec 10 08 Orlando from Dec 01 08 Congratulations Mexicana!
91 LH498 : This is true for "normal" airports, however MEX is a hot&high airport were 4 engines 4 long haul makes more sense, especially the longer the route. T
92 Hardiwv : Thanks, funny adverts. MAD and GRU are both goldmines operated by AM only. It is no surprise that they feature as AM most profitable destinations wor
93 NAVEGA : I believe the new engine type on the A330s will do very well in high altitude Mexico City for Mexicana. Am I right on this??
94 Post contains links LipeGIG : The flight to São Paulo has been launched in Brazil thru consolidators: http://www.rextur.com.br/info/0803mx.htm
95 MX77W : Great Adverts Mayavia, Thanks for Sharing! Also... did you notice the B767 pictured does not have the Grey Belly??? Could this be an indication of th
96 Ghost77 : Hi Felipe! MAD is a gold mine for AM and IB, CDG for AF with 14X, FRA once LH served it 10X and later reduced frequencies in order to fly to China an
97 Post contains images MayaviaERJ190 : As noted by Navega and declared by Ghost the belly is all white and so is the right engine cowling, also the Boeing 767 lettering is gone. This pictu
98 MX77W : Hi Ghost! Thanks for the news... and the good news just keep coming, I'm so glad they're getting rid of the Grey, I don't know whey they didn't do th
99 Rojo : The B763 shown in the picture is XA-MXE which I saw today departing to EZE doing the morning flight from MEX. It has the white cowlings and belly.
100 SJOtoLIR : Did you mean that both AM MEX-CDG 7x weekly and AF MEX-CDG 12x weekly even support additional competence in such route? Regards.
101 Fyano773 : Maybe, but altitude is not everything... For instance, in the T7, the RR is lighter than the GE, but in longer flights, the GE breaks even with lower
102 Hardiwv : As mentioned, there are many such as GRU-CDG or EZE-MAD. The airline offering more flights between Europe and a specific country in Latin America is
103 Ghost77 : Yes, considering, AFR has 14 weekly flights, there's room for a 3rd competitor., mostly, to reduce AF. IIRC, AM had during the summer all its fleet a
104 Hardiwv : GRU-CDG currently has 2 daily AF plus 2 daily TAM = 28 weekly. If you add GIG plus 2 daily AF and daily TAM (21) = 49 weekly. EZE-MAD must have about
105 LipeGIG : Thanks, for me it's very clear MEX is under-served to Europe not only in terms of frequencies, but mainly to destinations. MEX has service to CDG, FR
106 AM744 : You are missing AMS, FCO (stopover @ MTY) and BCN.
107 Hardiwv : KL AMS-MEX B747 is a route with very good yields and load by KLM. I flew this route myself and the business class was fully booked. FCO? This is news
108 AM744 : AM has been flying MEX-MTY-FCO for some time. MTY stop is a technical issue more than anything since it is flown with 762s. LHR is currently served n
109 LH498 : A 5% added to an already existing restriction. There is no way an airplane can take off from MEX without restrictions, e.g. at MTOW. For operational
110 LipeGIG : Thanks ! But Mexico is really under-served, they got almost the same number of non-stop city's as Rio de Janeiro and Buenos Aires which are 1/2 of it
111 MayaviaERJ190 : Dear Lipe, I'd say that Mexico is diversified rather than under-served. It is diversified due to its vicinity to the US rather than by itself. Just a
112 Ghost77 : We have the following schedule service into MEX: BA MEX-LHR 4X KL MEX-AMS 7X AF MEX-CDG 14X IB MEX-MAD 14X LH MEX-FRA 7X LA MEX-SCL 7X AM: MEX-MAD 9X
113 Post contains links Hardiwv : According to news report in Brazil (see link below) MX will target a load factor of 70% in GRU with the B767-200 and the focus of the operations as ex
114 LipeGIG : Mayavia, thanks for the extensive comments about Mexico's market. No doubt when we look to the US-Mexico market, is a giant ! I would say a mix of O&D
115 Hardiwv : Thanks for the update. You mentioned that the configuration will be similar to the B777s received by Boeing such as in Frida Kahlo. You mean they wil
116 Ghost77 : Hi Felipe, just to complement the EXCELLENT reply 111 from MayaviaERJ190, I would also like to add the fact that MX and AM were owned by the governme
117 LipeGIG : Well, we're paying the price for using too much infra-structure in a single place. We demand investments in 14 places during the past 5 years and jus
118 MayaviaERJ190 : Dear Ghost, I know you are in love with CMA, but this is too much. I know you meant AM.
119 Hardiwv : I know. Actually my question was whether a newer product would be developed, different from the new business class already available in Frida and Die
120 Fyano773 : I agree. I recall an AM brochure with the specs of the 772 and MTOW @ MEX was 250 tons (I don't remember the weather conditions) vs 297.5 tons that B
121 MAH4546 : Absent legal permission to fly to Cuba from MIA, the easiest ways to get to Cuba are, bar none, GCM and NAS.
122 NAVEGA : Is there any new news on proposed 2009 future expansion routes to the USA and or South America or Europe ???
123 EddieDude : Really? Is AM getting a fifth 777? Wow, that is nice! Good for them. Do you happen to know where it is coming from Ghost? Or maybe it is a new-build?
124 Hardiwv : The information is almost accurate. As you known, I lived in Vitoria and the rise in criminaliy in the city is very sad. The Brazilian capitals with
125 SJOtoLIR : NYC-MEX and then MEX-HAV is another competitive choice in terms of daily frequencies. Regards.
126 N405MX : Indeed, actually AM is cancelling the MEX-MTY legs on their MAD and FCO flights, because of the latest lack of passengers. Hopefully MX´s planes wil
127 Ghost77 : Hi Eddie, Yes, its on the "plans" and even better, I heard more news this weekend in respect what is the source and its not even just one, it could b
128 EddieDude : So since the planes are lightweight (i.e., more range), then they are doing MEX-FCO nonstop. That's interesting. Cool, thanks for the news. I won't g
129 Ghost77 : This seems true, FCO is at least gone for 2009 from MTY. This I believe is a very good movement from AM, They should focus all its long haul operatio
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