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US To ARN And ATH?  
User currently offlineFlavio340 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 180 posts, RR: 0
Posted (6 years 2 months 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 5267 times:

Has US dropped their flights to ARN and ATH? I was looking at their interactive route map and I see those destinations have been removed. I know they are seasonal, so is IT just that good about keeping the route map up to date?

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User currently offlineFlighty From United States of America, joined Apr 2007, 8767 posts, RR: 3
Reply 1, posted (6 years 2 months 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 5245 times:

The map is probably not the first thing they would update. First they would stop selling tickets.

They are still selling PHL-ATH (767) and PHL-ARN, which is listed very interestingly on a 757-200 for next year, a distance of 4009 mi. This would be one of the longest 757 routes ever attempted on regular service.


User currently offlineUsairways85 From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 3473 posts, RR: 7
Reply 2, posted (6 years 2 months 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 5083 times:

They are seasonal service.

They resume in the spring


User currently offlineChepos From Puerto Rico, joined Dec 2000, 6235 posts, RR: 11
Reply 3, posted (6 years 2 months 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 5019 times:

From what I have heard ARN will in fact be on a 757 next year. Im assuming ATH should be on an A330-200 by next year (considering our 762s are not the optimal aircraft for that route) , as we should have two by launch date. Who knows what will happen.


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User currently offlineWesternA318 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 5724 posts, RR: 24
Reply 4, posted (6 years 2 months 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 4992 times:

I love US' PHL-ATH service, took it three times this summer and twice on CO's EWR-ATH, all on 762ERs. While CO's is far and above better, US wasn't bad either. A far better service than I ever got on DL.


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User currently offlineAirCop From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (6 years 2 months 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 4930 times:



Quoting WesternA318 (Reply 4):
I love US' PHL-ATH service, took it three times this summer and twice on CO's EWR-ATH, all on 762ERs. While CO's is far and above better, US wasn't bad either

Took US to ATH ,FRA, and VCE this summer, (Envoy) I was surprised that the service wasn't bad at all, you read on this board all the time that US is one step below a Greyhound, I felt it was good value for the money, but much rather had a 332 on the ATH's flights.


User currently offlineWesternA318 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 5724 posts, RR: 24
Reply 6, posted (6 years 2 months 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 4808 times:



Quoting AirCop (Reply 5):
I was surprised that the service wasn't bad at all, you read on this board all the time that US is one step below a Greyhound, I felt it was good value for the money,

As I thought so as well. I flew in Envoy on 2 of the round trips, and Coach on the third, and even in Coach, the service was not bad at all.

Quoting AirCop (Reply 5):
but much rather had a 332 on the ATH's flights.

As would I...I always find myself cramped and less comfortable on Boeings than on the Airbii.



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User currently offlineOOer From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 1507 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (6 years 2 months 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 4724 times:



Quoting Chepos (Reply 3):
Im assuming ATH should be on an A330-200 by next year (considering our 762s are not the optimal aircraft for that route) , as we should have two by launch date. Who knows what will happen.

Those will go to their proposed PHL-TLV service...I think.


User currently offlineVC10DC10 From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 1037 posts, RR: 3
Reply 8, posted (6 years 2 months 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 4663 times:

I wonder if US would consider adding PHL-CPH service, or replacing ARN with CPH--the rationale being Star Alliance connections with SAS?

What is the "driving factor" behind seasonal service to ARN, and wouldn't it be only a marginally profitable route with only seasonal service on a 757-200?


User currently offlineFlighty From United States of America, joined Apr 2007, 8767 posts, RR: 3
Reply 9, posted (6 years 2 months 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 4635 times:



Quoting VC10DC10 (Reply 8):

What is the "driving factor" behind seasonal service to ARN, and wouldn't it be only a marginally profitable route with only seasonal service on a 757-200?

Who knows, but one thing is certain, if a 757-200 can make the route (big if) it will be way more profitable than a 767-200 on the same route. So if they were surviving on 767 they should be financially stout on a 757.

This allows US to start a new route (Moscow maybe) using their 767. Since their 767 makes it to Athens it should be no problem to hit Moscow (4749mi vs 5035mi). Their first A332 was supposed to be TLV according to a previous thread quoting US executives.


User currently offlineVC10DC10 From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 1037 posts, RR: 3
Reply 10, posted (6 years 2 months 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 4620 times:



Quoting Flighty (Reply 9):

You raise some good points. The technical side of using a 757 on this route is, as you say, a little iffy. I would think that with seasonal winds westbound they would need to make a technical stop at Gander or the like--which would hit profitability a bit. The cargo aspect of the operation would also be affected by the change from 767 to 757. Then again, maybe US doesn't carry much freight on the route? I don't know.

A question to the conventional wisdom: why does US need its own metal to Russia? People have been discussing this for some time, but I don't really understand why. Aren't Star Alliance connections sufficient for the present time?


User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 26005 posts, RR: 22
Reply 11, posted (6 years 2 months 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 4573 times:



Quoting VC10DC10 (Reply 10):
The technical side of using a 757 on this route is, as you say, a little iffy. I would think that with seasonal winds westbound they would need to make a technical stop at Gander or the like--which would hit profitability a bit.

DL uses the 752 CVG-AMS which is furtther than PHL-ARN. NW also recently used use the 752 DTW-FRA which is also further, and CO's EWR-TXL and EWR-ARN are only slightly shorter..

DTW-FRA 3616 nm
CVG-AMS 3599 nm
PHL-ARN 3484 nm
EWR-TXL 3458 nm
EWR-ARN 3415 nm


User currently offlineChepos From Puerto Rico, joined Dec 2000, 6235 posts, RR: 11
Reply 12, posted (6 years 2 months 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 4547 times:

I was under the impression PHL - TLV would only one need one aircraft and it starts in June I believe. Athens usually starts earlu to mid May. By the time TLV starts we should have 2 330´s.

Chepos



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User currently offlineB747forever From Sweden, joined May 2007, 17147 posts, RR: 10
Reply 13, posted (6 years 2 months 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 4528 times:

Wow, didnt know that ARN would be downgraded to a 757. That is pity.


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User currently offlineBA744PHX From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 337 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (6 years 2 months 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 4511 times:



Quoting Chepos (Reply 12):
I was under the impression PHL - TLV would only one need one aircraft and it starts in June I believe. Athens usually starts earlu to mid May. By the time TLV starts we should have 2 330´s.

Chepos


It has already been confirmed that PHL-TLV will require 2 A332 to operate daily.


User currently offlineDaufuskieGuy From United States of America, joined Sep 2008, 44 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (6 years 2 months 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 4446 times:



Quoting BA744PHX (Reply 14):
It has already been confirmed that PHL-TLV will require 2 A332 to operate daily.

the one that landed in PHL (in the evening presumably) would have a lot of free time (22 hours or so) before needing to head back to TLV though the next evening. What to do with it during the day then? San Juan and back?

What do the other airlines do on these longer 2 plane routes? Just let them sit? You need a high volume and high yielding route that you can do roundtrip in 8 hours or so.


User currently offlineOA412 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 5373 posts, RR: 25
Reply 16, posted (6 years 2 months 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 4433 times:



Quoting OOer (Reply 7):
Those will go to their proposed PHL-TLV service...I think.

I was under the impression that US would be receiving enough A332's next year allowing PHL-TLV as well as ATH to be upgraded.



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User currently offlineF28 From Sweden, joined Mar 2008, 53 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (6 years 2 months 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 4399 times:



Quoting VC10DC10 (Reply 8):

SAS don´t wan´t US at ARN or CPH. There is no codeshere on the flight out of ARN. The chiefs at SAS thinks US is eating out of SK market and therefore refuse to co-operate.

What´s the difference in seats when you compare 757 to 767 ?


User currently offlineDj1986 From Luxembourg, joined Apr 2006, 141 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (6 years 2 months 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 4232 times:

Nice to hear that the A330-200s finally arrive at US. Has there been any informationen on the Envoy Class seats in these aircrafts? Are they going to be the same as in the Boeing 767-200 just with a different entertainment option? I hope they select a whole new seat as I don't find the new Envoy seat in the 762 to be that comfortable.


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User currently offlineFlighty From United States of America, joined Apr 2007, 8767 posts, RR: 3
Reply 19, posted (6 years 2 months 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 4214 times:



Quoting F28 (Reply 17):
SAS don´t wan´t US at ARN or CPH. There is no codeshere on the flight out of ARN. The chiefs at SAS thinks US is eating out of SK market and therefore refuse to co-operate.

What´s the difference in seats when you compare 757 to 767 ?

That's very interesting.

US's 757 has 12 Business seats and 167 Coach: 179 total.
US's 767 has 18 Business, 179 Coach: 197 total.


User currently offlineF28 From Sweden, joined Mar 2008, 53 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (6 years 2 months 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 4140 times:



Quoting Flighty (Reply 19):
That's very interesting.

US's 757 has 12 Business seats and 167 Coach: 179 total.
US's 767 has 18 Business, 179 Coach: 197 total.

Yeah I know.... SAS moves in mysterious ways  confused  But I think it´s a god move for US to put a 757 instead of the 767. This route consist of a lot of Swedes connecting in PHL to other destinations in US and A. For example Florida,LGA,SFO and LAX.
Now theres a slowdown in the economy and also Delta have entered the market with flights to Atlanta so it´s gonna be tougher for US.
Hope they stay in Stockholm. I always fly them to New York.


User currently offlineVC10DC10 From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 1037 posts, RR: 3
Reply 21, posted (6 years 2 months 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 4120 times:



Quoting F28 (Reply 20):
Yeah I know.... SAS moves in mysterious ways

 laughing  Don't they ever. You would think they would want the feed to their own intra-Scandinavian, Baltic, and Russian routes. (Incidentally, and sorry to go off-topic, but whatever came of the rumors that SAS would start OSL-NYC service with an A330-200?)

Surely a US A330 to CPH would be useful for both US and SAS... feed on both ends, and exciting new destinations for both Americans and Europeans. (Anybody who says PHL isn't exciting hasn't seen some of those bad neighborhoods they have!  duck  But seriously, folks, Pennsylvania is a beautiful state with a lot of businesses located therein.)

Quoting F28 (Reply 20):
Delta have entered the market with flights to Atlanta so it´s gonna be tougher for US.

 checkmark  You said it. Plus, there's the lean and healthy Continental serving Scandinavia as well.


User currently offlineSXDFC From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 2442 posts, RR: 23
Reply 22, posted (6 years 2 months 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 4121 times:

Glad to see more US airlines serving ATH - I am surprised to not see AA or UA serve ATH ? They both serve FCO


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User currently offlineB747forever From Sweden, joined May 2007, 17147 posts, RR: 10
Reply 23, posted (6 years 2 months 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 4115 times:



Quoting F28 (Reply 20):
This route consist of a lot of Swedes connecting in PHL to other destinations in US and A. For example Florida,LGA,SFO and LAX.

Didnt know that they had many Swedes that connected to the west coast. Thought is was most to the east coast.



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User currently offlinePHLapproach From Philippines, joined Mar 2004, 1248 posts, RR: 18
Reply 24, posted (6 years 2 months 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 4082 times:



Quoting VC10DC10 (Reply 10):
The cargo aspect of the operation would also be affected by the change from 767 to 757. Then again, maybe US doesn't carry much freight on the route? I don't know.

Very rare to get cargo on the route. I think that is the major decision of downgrading. With a typical summer load. The flight would get 0 pallets and 3 LD8s of bags. Glad I got over there a few weeks ago before having to wait for the downgrade this summer.


25 VC10DC10 : Now that is a surprise. I realize that I'm comparing apples to oranges (or maybe even apples to bicycles) but I thought a major reason for NW to serv
26 TristarSteve : That must be a MTOW problem, or US has trouble selling because it is a seasonal route. I am over on the F pier at ARN a couple of mornings a week and
27 RB211TriStar : That was kind of my thought... if the cargo load was light enough (or nonexistent) then maybe the technical performance of the 752 would be sufficien
28 LH121GLA : US are also starting a seasonal PHL-BHX from May 2009 according to BHX Airport's website...
29 PHLapproach : That could be it. A lot of the seasonal stuff doesn't do really that great on the freight side. VCE, BCN, ZRH. I should also correct my previous stat
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