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US To Start PHL-OSL And PHL-BHX May 2009  
User currently offlinePanamair From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 4864 posts, RR: 25
Posted (5 years 9 months 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 12964 times:
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http://biz.yahoo.com/bw/081022/20081022005201.html?.v=1

US will start PHL-BHX and PHL-OSL with 757 ETOPS next May. This is in addition to the previously-announced PHL-TLV

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User currently offlineSomeone83 From Norway, joined Sep 2006, 3306 posts, RR: 3
Reply 1, posted (5 years 9 months 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 12934 times:

Great news. But are we talking a seasonal summer route to OSL or a "full year route"?

And how are US' trans-Atlantic 757s?

[Edited 2008-10-22 09:17:38]

User currently offlineCactus739 From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 2441 posts, RR: 31
Reply 2, posted (5 years 9 months 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 12892 times:



Quoting Someone83 (Reply 1):
Great news. But are we talking a seasonal summer route to OSL or a "full year route"?

Well, since the press release says "the two seasonal routes...."

I'll let you draw your own conclusions.



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User currently offlineSomeone83 From Norway, joined Sep 2006, 3306 posts, RR: 3
Reply 3, posted (5 years 9 months 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 12884 times:



Quoting Cactus739 (Reply 2):
Well, since the press release says "the two seasonal routes...."

I'll let you draw your own conclusions.

Ha ha.....I'll read the whole press release next time  Wink


User currently offlineJetsetter629 From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 439 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (5 years 9 months 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 12817 times:

Wow this is great news! It seems as US has seen more oppurtunity flying to OSL than to CPH. I live in PHL and last winter I flew OSL-EWR and the flight was completely full in both C and Y. Congrats to yet another two trans-atlantic destinations from my hometown airport!

Rob


User currently offlineB742 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2005, 3766 posts, RR: 19
Reply 5, posted (5 years 9 months 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 12726 times:

Extremely excited about the return of another US carrier to BHX, I have to admit I was suprised that it was US.

23 transatlantic destinations from PHL in 2009, not bad  Wink

Rob!  wave 


User currently offlineIliriBDL From Germany, joined May 2007, 1205 posts, RR: 14
Reply 6, posted (5 years 9 months 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 12678 times:

This is great news, even more places to non-rev to now.  Wink

lol



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User currently offlineRafflesKing From Singapore, joined Mar 2007, 314 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (5 years 9 months 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 12495 times:



Quoting Someone83 (Reply 1):
And how are US' trans-Atlantic 757s?

I flew a 757 from PHL-LGW a few months ago and thought it was fine.

The Envoy seats had been ripped from the A333s, so they were new and had AVOD.


User currently offlineLIPZ From Austria, joined Jun 2006, 1075 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (5 years 9 months 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 12500 times:



Quoting B742 (Reply 5):


23 transatlantic destinations from PHL in 2009, not bad

You are right

Amsterdam - 752
Athens - 762
Barcelona - 762
Birmingham - 752
Brussels - 752
Dublin - 752
Frankfurt - 762 & 333
Glasgow - 752
Lisbon - 752
London Heathrow - 333
London Gatwick - 752
Madrid - 333
Manchester - 333
Milan - 762
Munich - 762
Oslo - 752
Paris - 333
Rome - 333
Shannon - 752
Stockholm - 752
Tel Aviv - 332
Venice - 762
Zurich - 762


User currently offlineRafflesKing From Singapore, joined Mar 2007, 314 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (5 years 9 months 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 12487 times:



Quoting LIPZ (Reply 8):
Frankfurt - 762 & 333

2 frequencies a day on top of LH's A343?


User currently offlineKaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 12407 posts, RR: 37
Reply 10, posted (5 years 9 months 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 12458 times:

When is US getting its A332s?

User currently onlineFlighty From United States of America, joined Apr 2007, 8397 posts, RR: 3
Reply 11, posted (5 years 9 months 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 12450 times:

Very nice job US. Their coverage of UK / Ireland is now pretty impressive.

And now, they can add Scandanavia.

From an August 18 article in the PHL Inquirer:

"The airline may announce in the fall two more international routes to start next summer. Among the cities under consideration are Moscow; Oslo, Norway; and Istanbul, Turkey, an airline official said."

Hmmmm....


User currently offlineHAJFlyer From Switzerland, joined Sep 2005, 1473 posts, RR: 9
Reply 12, posted (5 years 9 months 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 12378 times:

I really do not understand this seasonal strategy that US is pursuing.

In ZRH CO - which used to operate a 762 - is now managing to fill a daily 764 to EWR even in the dead of winter without resorting to ultr-low fares while US seems to believe that they cannot operate a 762 to PHL profitable year round.

Before you state that I am comparing apples with oranges, please consider that CO has comparatively little C-class O&D traffic between ZRH and NYC as most business passengers prefer the much more extensive offering of LX.


User currently offlinePanamair From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 4864 posts, RR: 25
Reply 13, posted (5 years 9 months 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 12288 times:
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Quoting HAJFlyer (Reply 12):
please consider that CO has comparatively little C-class O&D traffic between ZRH and NYC as most business passengers prefer the much more extensive offering of LX.

While LX no doubt carries the lion's share of the J traffice between ZRH and NYC, CO actually fills its daily flight to EWR up front very well. In fact, most times of the year, it is very difficult to get a seat on CO between EWR and ZRH in Business - of course not all that is O&D NYC-ZRH traffic as CO has a huge hub at EWR, but the J cabin certainly does not lack full fare-paying passengers.

As an aside, LX with its current A332 service between ZRH and JFK offers by far the worst J product (seat) of them all; this is one case where every US carrier beats LX hands down in terms of Business Class seating comfort...of course that will all change when LX deploys the new A333s on the JFK route next spring...


User currently offlineHAJFlyer From Switzerland, joined Sep 2005, 1473 posts, RR: 9
Reply 14, posted (5 years 9 months 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 12170 times:



Quoting Panamair (Reply 13):
As an aside, LX with its current A332 service between ZRH and JFK offers by far the worst J product (seat) of them all; this is one case where every US carrier beats LX hands down in terms of Business Class seating comfort...of course that will all change when LX deploys the new A333s on the JFK route next spring...

Could not agree more. I have never managed to sleep in those terrible seats; they are light years behind the industy benchmark (IMHO SQ 77W C-class) and not really worth paying a c-class price for. Add a stone age IFE and you have a pretty uncompetitive product. High time they bring on the 333 with the new c-class.


User currently offlineGilesdavies From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2003, 3001 posts, RR: 2
Reply 15, posted (5 years 9 months 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 11875 times:

Wow, excellent news for Birmingham... Great to see they have another connection to a US city!

It has been rumoured for sometime that US would start a BHX-PHL service, but I was very surprised to see it being annouced amoung the current financial crisis and while fuel prices are still high by historical terms.

The timing of the flight is very early by comparison of other Trans Atlantic routes operating from other UK airports. For example the most US Airways flights arrive into PHL between 2.30pm-4pm and depart after 8pm. But are very similar timings to Continental's BHX-EWR route and depart within minutes of each other.

Philadelphia - Birmingham
US726
Dep - 6:05 PM
Arr - 6:25 AM (next day)

Birmingham - Philadelphia
US727
Dep - 8:45 AM
Arr - 11:50 AM

I think US Airways are going to need to market the PHL Hub, and the number of onward destinations offered. Even though Philly is great city break location and offers loads, it is simply not widely known in the UK as a city break location like New York is. Which the CO route benefits from, as well as people conencting on to other destinations.

I just hope US Airways can make the route work and would be great to see it operate all year round. Traditionally flights operating to the USA from BHX, airlines have found the routes very low yielding, and struggled to break even. Previously Continental use to fly BHX-EWR with a DC-10 and then twice daily with 757's, but this was cut back to a single daily 757, and during some winters only operates 5 times weekly.

American, British Airways, PIA and Air India have all tried routes to the USA and all pulled out. Only time will tell, if BHX can support two airlines flying to US destinations within 100 miles of each other...


User currently offlineF28 From Sweden, joined Mar 2008, 53 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (5 years 9 months 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 11813 times:

I think PHL-OSL will be a killer for US ! God move from US. CO has been untouched for to long.

User currently offlineBA744PHX From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 335 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (5 years 9 months 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 11724 times:

So considering they have downgraded ARN to a B752 from B762 will we be expecting another announcement soon? DME?

User currently offlineJlbmedia From United States of America, joined Jun 2002, 622 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (5 years 9 months 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 11657 times:
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How dose this stack up with USAirways long haul fleet? How many 757s ETOPS do they have? With this news and the new A332s, do they have any unused long haul aircraft that may open another Trans Atlantic service?


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User currently offlineLat41 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 468 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (5 years 9 months 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 11578 times:

Will 757s be freed up from other routes? newly acquired aircraft?

User currently offlineUsairways85 From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 3380 posts, RR: 7
Reply 20, posted (5 years 9 months 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 11551 times:



Quoting RafflesKing (Reply 9):

2 frequencies a day on top of LH's A343?

Yes, has been for several summers.

Quoting Jlbmedia (Reply 18):
How dose this stack up with USAirways long haul fleet?

That is a good question.

I believe the 3rd A332 does not arrive until Q3 or 4
Only 7 762's in use with possibly 6 after the 3rd A332 arrives. I think ATH would be the best place to utilize the 332 at least for now.


User currently offlineBA744PHX From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 335 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (5 years 9 months 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 11533 times:



Quoting Jlbmedia (Reply 18):
How dose this stack up with USAirways long haul fleet? How many 757s ETOPS do they have? With this news and the new A332s, do they have any unused long haul aircraft that may open another Trans Atlantic service?

They will have a free B762 ARN is being downgraded to B752. I would think another announcement will be coming but not sure yet.

Quoting Lat41 (Reply 19):
Will 757s be freed up from other routes? newly acquired aircraft?

They will have to convert at least 3 additional 757s to ETOPS to cover BHX, OSL and ARN .


User currently offlinePHLapproach From Philippines, joined Mar 2004, 1240 posts, RR: 20
Reply 22, posted (5 years 9 months 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 11504 times:

Currently 8 ETOPS 75s. 939 was suppose to go in for conversion this month. Well see if they meet that timeline. 940 and 938 I believe should follow a month or two later.

Usairways85, the company wants to throw a 332 on ATH the first chance they get.

I do believe something else will be announced farther into the winter. Either DME or I could see VIE happening. Either or, it will have to be something that is opposite times for gate scheduling purposes.


User currently offlineIliriBDL From Germany, joined May 2007, 1205 posts, RR: 14
Reply 23, posted (5 years 9 months 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 11362 times:



Quoting PHLapproach (Reply 22):
I do believe something else will be announced farther into the winter. Either DME or I could see VIE happening. Either or, it will have to be something that is opposite times for gate scheduling purposes.

DUS wouldn't hurt either.  Wink



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User currently offlineL1011buff From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 115 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (5 years 9 months 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 11238 times:

Of the 3 TATL US birds, which is best for Y class? The A333 has terrible legroom. What are the pitches currently on their A333,767 and 757?

25 Vega : DME would require yield reducing weight restrictions at least westbound (similar to ATH) with the US 762 - and although still possible, it's probably
26 B747forever : That is true. Doesn't CO have two daily flights to OSL??
27 MMEPHX : I just hope this doesn't further impact CO providing service to BHX. My airport of choice when flying to the UK and I have flown CO many times to/fro
28 IliriBDL : A lot has changed at US since you last flew.
29 MMEPHX : Last time I flew US international or domestic was June 08. Last 3 trips through Philly either lost a bag, delayed flight (2 hours+) or cancelled flig
30 DeltaRules : Having flown all three types on flights three hours or more (though the A330 is the only one I've taken over the pond, taking the 757 & 767 PHL/CLT-S
31 Bartond : Help me out here - you're saying that LX offers a far inferior business class product overseas than does Continental or anyone else that flies the ro
32 MAH4546 : The old Swiss business class is indeed a sub-par product, but it is being phased out. Trans-Atlantic, it is only now being used to Montreal.
33 PHLapproach : That's the thing. ATH operating strong for two years now and weight restricted each direction proves that the company doesn't exactly need to put up
34 Someone83 : Nope, daily 757 but it is daily through the whole year. However the yields are great and so are the loads.
35 Flybhx764 : I cant see both these flight being a problem. AA and CO flew together at one time. AA used the 763. I think CO does need the competition.
36 IliriBDL : Yeah I guess you're right, I wish we'd keep two flights daily to FRA year round.
37 Chepos : I was hoping for DME, however, BHX had been rumored for quite some time. Flights from MAN, LGW and GLA (seasona) usually carry alot of people connecti
38 B747forever : Okay. I really thought that CO served OSL twice a day.
39 Panamair : The current LX J seat on the A332s has not been changed since the Swissair (SR) days. While the legroom is good, the seat is very uncomfortable, with
40 IliriBDL : That's why they should make 2 flights daily to FRA year round and switch the flight to MUC to A330.
41 Phllax : My guess is that the additional city will be either CPH, PRG or TXL, with IST having a far outside chance because it will need a 332.
42 Soxfan : How many A333s, 762s, and transatlantic 757s does US keep in Philadelphia (if any) as spares in the event that another planes goes tech or can't be us
43 PHLapproach : That's really in the air because it sometimes changes day to day. Now are you referring to Summer? 1 A333 usually is always sits as a ops spare in PH
44 Azul320 : What about Nice, France? The only air service from the states is Delta Airlines. Hello US? Oslo? Seriously?
45 StarAlliance38 : WOOHOOO!!! Cheers to US Now, get your butt over the Pacific :D:D:D
46 KaiGywer : But I still have to ZED there. I want DL or NW to start service there
47 IliriBDL : Or you can get a buddy pass.
48 B747forever : Well OSL seems to work really good for CO, so that is a good move by US actually.
49 Silentbob : With the new guest pass pricing, it's cheaper to ZED as often as not.
50 B747forever : Arent you a bit too optimistic
51 IliriBDL : Yeah true, ZED is pretty cheap especially if the carriers have the Low agreement between them. (like US has with LH and UA for example)
52 Someone83 : OSL is said to be COs best performing trans-Atlantic 757 route
53 SBON : I'm glad I'm not the only one asking this question. Although I think NCE, not having a strong Star Alliance presence is the quick answer. However, In
54 Usairways85 : As I mentioned in another forum, it's not all about the number of destinations you serve but also the flexibility you offer. And considering US only
55 IliriBDL : They really do need to consider that, and add multiple frequencies like you said to cities that are making money for the company. FRA is the obvious
56 Post contains links and images Vadheim : Wow, great news!!! Oslo welcomes US Airways This year 2008/2009 Oslo (OSL) welcomes 4 brand new intercontinental destinations; Bangkok, Dubai, Krabi a
57 SpeedyGonzales : Don't worry. They won't be flying to anywhere near Oslo, they'll infact fly to Eidsvoll
58 Bobnwa : Are you seriously saying that one route, PHL-ATH generates 60% of the PHL hub revenue for US Airways? I don't think that is even conceivable.
59 OA412 : LOL I read that exactly as you did and was similarly dumbfounded. On closer inspection I realized that he seems to be indicating that cargo generates
60 Bobnwa : He might have meant that, but even suggesting that cargo revenue is 60% of the PHL total hub total revenue is something I find hard to believe.
61 KaiGywer : It's not quite THAT bad I'll give you Jessheim however And with Flytoget it doesn't feel that far away
62 PHLapproach : Let's say you carry 8 pallets on 5 of the 6 daily A330s add another 2 Pallets on 5 B762 departures. Some might contain electronic parts being sent to
63 Bobnwa : Yes cargo generates good profits. But I hope you are not sticking by your story that it generates 60% of PHL's revenue. If your cargo gurus think it
64 Post contains images PHLapproach : Your telling me you don't think companies adjust cargo lift prices to offset the price of fuel at that current time....   I know particular companies
65 Bobnwa : Again are you sticking by your claim that cargo accounts for 60% of US Airways PHL revenue? Let's see some numbers to justify that outlandish claim.
66 PHLapproach : I edited my post before yours came up. This forum didn't want it to go through (Now I see it went through 5 minutes later). I edited it stating that I
67 Bobnwa : In 2007 US airways had total revenue of $11.8 billion dollars. Of this amount, $138 million was cargo revenue. that is 1.16 percent. I seriously doub
68 PHLapproach : You keep talking about the company as a whole. I'm gonna have to see if I can ascertain some charts from the higher ups for you. Can you get the reve
69 Bobnwa : I agree that cargo revenue is important, but it is nowhere near 60% of international revenue for any carrier foriegn or domestic on any route on a pa
70 EBGflyer : Actually a good move by US. Considering CO is not *A-member yet, probably a lot of the SAS loyal pax would prefer flying US over CO next summer. Yet
71 B747forever : True, and this will continue and get worse if SAS dont do anything
72 Bobnwa : Do you have any numbers yet that show that 60% of US Airways PHL revenue comes from cargo?
73 Flighty : Guys, clearly PHL intl cargo "revenue" per se is nowhere near 60%. But maybe in some sense "profits" are 60% cargo, overall across the INTL routes.
74 Bobnwa : That is remotely possible, but I doubt that also. Secondly, there have been no profits at US Airways so cargo could hardly represent 60% of the profi
75 Flighty : Over time it would change drastically, but given that US is expanding international ops at Philadephia, and ordering jets for more of same, I think w
76 PHLapproach : How did I confuse revenue with profits. Rookie mistake. Hah, yes I did mean profits. INTL cargo profits is hovering right at about 40%. I don't think
77 Bobnwa : Thanks for clearing it up. Makes sense now.
78 Philly65 : I heard that ATH will eventually go year round let alone being upgraded to an A330. I can also see at least another dozen European cities added from P
79 Cltguy : There will be a "Major" Air Service announcement at Charlotte tomorrow in Concourse D....could this be the long awaited CLT-CDG flight?
80 IliriBDL : Maybe CLT-LHR? Where did you hear this? (if it can be told)
81 Post contains links Cltguy : Charlotte Airport Official Press Release http://www.charmeck.org/Departments/...rport/About+CLT/Press+Releases.htm
82 Bobnwa : I hope it is bigger news than AirTran's announcement!!!!
83 IliriBDL : " target=_blank>http://www.charmeck.org/Departments/...s.htm Thanks buddy. Looks like an intl announcement, since it's concourse D. Lets hope it's US
84 Sydscott : I read an Article quoting a US Airways Exec at the announcement of these two new routes who said that US had it's eye on India, Moscow, Istanbul and
85 BA744PHX : I'm sure this has been answered already but does anyone know how many A332 are confirmed to arrive in 2009? I know 3 already have delivery schedules b
86 IliriBDL : Istanbul was mentioned during the conference with the employees. I thought it was 5 as well, couple of days ago I tried finding info either on the in
87 Post contains links Sydscott : Here we go. Thankfully I hadn't cleared my history for a while! http://www.philly.com/philly/busines..._adds_Norway__England_flights.html From the art
88 BA744PHX : IST I see this being added winter/summer 2010 DME I would think this is coming in 2009 if not 2010 at the latest BOG denied earlier this year, NRT do
89 Sydscott : I think the question is more whether there are slots available at NRT which would allow them to fly in. I think the answer to that is a big fat NO un
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