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Busiest Airport With No Heavies  
User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 23021 posts, RR: 20
Posted (5 years 11 months 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 12415 times:

MDW has around 300 air carrier departures per day and not a single one is on an aircraft bigger than a 737 or 32x. Are there any busier airports where this is so? I'm especially curious about big FR or U2 stations in Europe...


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User currently offlineOlympic472 From United States of America, joined Jun 2008, 456 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (5 years 11 months 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 12380 times:

You need to define heavies here. 757s are "heavies". So if they are included then the list is long to analyze.


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User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 23021 posts, RR: 20
Reply 2, posted (5 years 11 months 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 12357 times:



Quoting Olympic472 (Reply 1):
You need to define heavies here. 757s are "heavies". So if they are included then the list is long to analyze.

321= Not heavy
739= Not heavy
752= Heavy

We can say "no widebody service" too, though that list is significantly longer (I can think of several airports on par with MDW with no widebody service that see 752s).



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User currently offlineMIgAiR54 From Spain, joined Jun 2007, 1729 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (5 years 11 months 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 12355 times:

BCN has only 2-3 heavies a day.

PMI has no heavies usually.

Quoting Olympic472 (Reply 1):
757s are "heavies"

I think he wanted to say widebody.


User currently offlineRL757PVD From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 4674 posts, RR: 11
Reply 4, posted (5 years 11 months 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 12344 times:

757's can very

What's SAN's widebody schedule these days? I thought I read DL was going to all 757s? anyone else operate anything larger there?



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User currently offlineRussianJet From Belgium, joined Jul 2007, 7703 posts, RR: 21
Reply 5, posted (5 years 11 months 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 12344 times:
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In terms of regular scheduled widebody services, we see virtually none at STN. FR obviously dominate, along with other LCCs. LY send the occasional widebody (or at least have done, not sure what their current status is here) and we get occasional charter ops using widebodies. We have a relatively high number of private widebody movements, and obviously heavy cargo ops.


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User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 23021 posts, RR: 20
Reply 6, posted (5 years 11 months 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 12345 times:



Quoting MIgAiR54 (Reply 3):
I think he wanted to say widebody.

Had I meant widebody, I'd have said widebody.



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User currently offlineCongaboy From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 352 posts, RR: 3
Reply 7, posted (5 years 11 months 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 12343 times:

Wow, MDW is a great guess, Cubs. I think its up to, what, 18 million pax a year? Got to be within the top 50 busiest airports in the world...easy enough to check, give me a sec.


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User currently offlineAmricanShamrok From Ireland, joined May 2008, 2903 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (5 years 11 months 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 12331 times:

Cork (ORK) is the busiest in Ireland with no heavies. Interesting considering it's our second city you'd think there would be a market for, say a 752 service to New York.


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User currently offlineFlyDeltaJets87 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (5 years 11 months 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 12314 times:

If you're going by number of departures, I bet DAB is up there, even if most of them are just ERAU C-172s.

User currently offlineGkirk From UK - Scotland, joined Jun 2000, 24936 posts, RR: 56
Reply 10, posted (5 years 11 months 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 12314 times:



Quoting MIgAiR54 (Reply 3):
PMI has no heavies usually.

TOM send 763s
MON send A300s/A332s/B763s
TCX send A332s/B763s

And thats just the British widebodies  Wink



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User currently offlineCoronado990 From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 1598 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (5 years 11 months 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 12294 times:



Quoting RL757PVD (Reply 4):
What's SAN's widebody schedule these days? I thought I read DL was going to all 757s? anyone else operate anything larger there?

Hawaiian 763's for starters.



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User currently offlineLONGisland89 From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 736 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (5 years 11 months 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 12277 times:



Quoting RL757PVD (Reply 4):
What's SAN's widebody schedule these days? I thought I read DL was going to all 757s? anyone else operate anything larger there?

American's 763 from JFK


User currently offlineBrilondon From Canada, joined Aug 2005, 4226 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (5 years 11 months 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 12252 times:

I think what is needed here is clarification or a definition of a "heavy". YTZ would rank as one of the busiest airports with no heavies. Maybe Buttonville in Markham ON.


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User currently offlineRL757PVD From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 4674 posts, RR: 11
Reply 14, posted (5 years 11 months 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 12233 times:



Quoting Coronado990 (Reply 11):
Hawaiian 763's for starters.

Thats the one i wasnt sure about... but if thats for starters.. whats for "finishers"
(outside of cargo) Anyone besides DL fly widebodies in there?



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User currently offlineStylo777 From Germany, joined Feb 2006, 2976 posts, RR: 12
Reply 15, posted (5 years 11 months 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 12234 times:

what about LGA? is there any widebody coming in to that port?

User currently offlineRobffm2 From Germany, joined Dec 2006, 1117 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (5 years 11 months 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 12218 times:

How many flights are there from CGH in Sao Paulo?

User currently offlineB6JFKH81 From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 2891 posts, RR: 7
Reply 17, posted (5 years 11 months 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 12097 times:



Quoting Stylo777 (Reply 15):
what about LGA? is there any widebody coming in to that port?

Yes, currently the B767 is the largest a/c operating out of there...DL IIRC.

Quoting Cubsrule (Thread starter):

I don't think DCA sees any widebody service. I may be wrong though...



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User currently offlineArcrftLvr From United States of America, joined Nov 2006, 826 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (5 years 11 months 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 12087 times:



Quoting Stylo777 (Reply 15):
what about LGA? is there any widebody coming in to that port?

I believe DL has their 762s running between LGA and ATL.


User currently offlineRNOcommctr From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 827 posts, RR: 3
Reply 19, posted (5 years 11 months 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 12077 times:

Wouldn't DCA be up there on the list? Of course they have plenty of 757's, but no widebodies that I know of. Of course, I haven't been there in awhile.


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User currently offlineManfredj From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 1132 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (5 years 11 months 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 12067 times:

DCA is probably the busiest without any widebody traffic.


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User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 25337 posts, RR: 22
Reply 21, posted (5 years 11 months 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 12019 times:



Quoting Manfredj (Reply 21):
DCA is probably the busiest without any widebody traffic.

Does STL have any widebodies now? If not, it must be one of the largest US metropolitan areas without any.


User currently offlineJfk777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 8375 posts, RR: 7
Reply 22, posted (5 years 11 months 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 12019 times:
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Quoting ArcrftLvr (Reply 18):


Quoting Stylo777 (Reply 15):
what about LGA? is there any widebody coming in to that port?

I believe DL has their 762s running between LGA and ATL

All 762 are gone, but LGA has many 757, 737, A320's & MD-80's. Few if any 767's these days.


User currently offlineFlyf15 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (5 years 11 months 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 12010 times:

Well, my vote is for Van Nuys (VNY), that airport is easily busier than any of the other airports listed in this thread.

Although, I suppose the aim was most airline service, not most operations overall. Also I assume every once in a while, a private widebody may stop by... maybe Google's 767?

Phoenix Deer Valley (DVT) is roughly as busy as LGA and doesn't get any widebodies, neither does Denver Centennial (APA) which is busier than DCA.


User currently offlinePanAm330 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 2679 posts, RR: 9
Reply 24, posted (5 years 11 months 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 11925 times:



Quoting Jfk777 (Reply 22):
Few if any 767's these days.

None scheduled into LGA.


25 Cubsrule : No, though Cleveland and Pittsburgh aren't much smaller and also don't get widebodies.
26 Manfredj : I'm not sure this could count as it could have the occasional widebody disqualifying it from the thread starters question.
27 DocLightning : I suppose we could stick to what is regularly scheduled or types of planes that wind up there more than twice monthly. For example, SBA could theoret
28 JM017 : Yes, can someone please explain the difference between a heavy and a widebody? Before the posts above I assumed that a heavy was a widebody. Cubsrule
29 Cubsrule : Heavy means 752 and larger (for our purposes). 752s are a funny beast. Everyone and their brother is using them across the Atlantic now., and they se
30 Aircanada014 : I define heavies as widebody and I don't include B757 has heavy cause they are narrowbody even though they do fly international. B757 doesn't fit as h
31 Cubsrule : There's an inherently arbitrary nature to either distinction, isn't there? ATC says a 752 is a heavy because it creates wake turbulence like a widebo
32 AirCanada014 : That doesn't matter whether they create wake turbulence or not. Heavy is usually defines a widebody a/c since they are much bigger than B757.
33 AABB777 : A heavy a/c is one with a gross certified takeoff weight of 255,000 lbs or more. The reason the word is used is to indicate the Wake Turbulence Catego
34 Cubsrule : 752s range from 220,000 pounds MTOW to 255,500 pounds. In the US, ATC calls them all heavy. I think we're missing my point though... I want to know w
35 CLE757 : CLE gets widbodies from Fedex and UPS, I dont know about PIT.
36 Argonaut : Oh yes it does! Wake turbulence is exactly why ATC makes the distinction. It's crucial to safety. As you say, "heavy" usually means widebody. But not
37 EXAAUADL : well just commercial not cargo MEM an STL must be up there. DCA must be #1. Others: LCY, SDU, CGH,
38 RDUDDJI : The heavy designation with ATC is for spacing. Obviously you want some more distance behind a 777 than a 737. Are you sure? I thought it was only cer
39 71Zulu : What's the MTOW of the DL 752? DCA gets the 752 so that knocks it off the list.
40 Denverdanny : Yeah, i was thinking about Centennial too.
41 Flyf15 : VNY, DVT, and APA are.. as far as I know, the 3 busiest general aviation airports in the country... in that order. VNY is busier than many major airp
42 Aviateur : This is incorrect. The 757-200 does not meet weight threshold for use of the "heavy" ATC designation. It does receive the same separation standards a
43 Aviateur : DL no longer operates the 767-200. PS
44 Aviateur : No, people, there IS a specific ATC designation for what constitutes a "heavy." As discussed in this space before, it's any aircraft with a certified
45 4holer : Not trying to ask a stupid question, but do wingletted 757s also have a very nasty wake? Does the winglet help at all?
46 Post contains links Aviateur : Not stupid at all. Winglets *do* mitigate the wake effect, though to what extent I'm not sure. Substantially, I believe. Here's an article on the 757
47 Cubsrule : I hate to try to steer us back to the topic, but there are plenty of threads on 752s, MTOW, and wake turbulence... I'll repost the original question.
48 Aviateur : I think this is very difficult to answer, because airlines are constantly rejiggering their schedules and swapping out aircraft types. If we apply the
49 NASCARAirforce : Hawaiian 767s SAN gets plenty of cargo widebodies though - don't they get DHL./Airborne 767s, several fed Ex widebodies A300s, A310s and DC-10s? DCA
50 KLM685 : My bet goes for CGH in Sao Paulo...Definately no heavies or widebodies over there.
51 FlyDeltaJets : The actual FAA reg states that a/c over 255,000 lbs MTOW are heavy. The last I read the FAA will no longer include 757 in the heavy category. DL certa
52 RussianJet : If you really mean strictly scheduled, quite possibly STN then. Over 23m pax last year.
53 AirportPlan : As far as North America is concerned MDW is the busiest commercial airport with no heavies. As was mentioned above LGA ocassionaly get 767s and MDW h
54 EDICHC : Are there some Monarch scheduled widebody services out of STN?
55 AirCatalonia : GRO has some 50 departures per day with no heavy (not even a 757). Must be up there within Europe.
56 RussianJet : Not 100% sure but I think not. I have seen an A330 pop up once in a blue moon, but that's about it.
57 Okierj : The FAA made the 757 a sometimes difficult aircraft for us in ATC. When the 757 first came out the FAA which just changed the definition of what would
58 Drerx7 : Houston Hobby is of mention...rumor has it though that Pace Airlines ran a 762 in bringing the Sacramento Kings to play the Rockets last week. In term
59 AirGabon : BCN has SQ B773, AM 763, AV 763, DL 763, AR 340, CO 762, US 762 + many Russian charters during summer including Transaero B742 and B743 and S7 A310.
60 Pliersinsight : I'm taking what the OP went with, which was heavies. KPIT gets a good load of heavy traffic from FedEx and UPS, which in their non-freighter configs
61 DL767captain : There are still a few 767 flights, i'm flying a 767 from ATL-SAN on tuesday, i think there were two 767 flights when i was booking
62 Tjwgrr : From AirNav.com: VNY: aircraft operations: avg 1381/day (2003) LGA: aircraft operations: avg 1088/day (2007) DVT: aircraft operations: avg 1037/day (2
63 Tjwgrr : More: FXE: aircraft operations: avg 715/day (2001) HOU: aircraft operations: avg 644/day (2007) ORL: aircraft operations: avg 597/day (2001) TEB: airc
64 787KQ : So the winner of the busiest airport with no heavies is Congonhas?
65 Chicago757 : To sum it up I would say MDW and DCA for sure, the problem is that everyone is getting too damn technical. I think the "heavies" were meant to be like
66 Steex : CGH is out. In 2007, they had only 205,130 total aircraft movements and 15,244,401 passengers, making it less busy than MDW. I don't have the exact nu
67 Flaps : With regard to PIT: 757 - UA, DL, UPS A300 - UPS, FedEx (2) KC135 - Variable but more than a dozen per day. We don't qualify.
68 MeanGreen : Addison Airport just north of Dallas ADS. It's the busiest single runway airport in the country and the biggest aircraft that go in there are 732 and
69 Bsbisland : CGH had a great drop in traffic after TAM accident in July 2007 with many flights moved to GRU and for some time no connections were possible through
70 Brilondon : Is the 757-300 much smaller then the 767-200?
71 Cschleic : There are cargo widebodies, too.
72 Timz : Strange, isn't it? The original poster made his question perfectly clear-- among airports with no 757s or other heavies, which one has the most sched
73 Flyf15 : If you're referencing me answering a different question... I think I answered it perfectly. I challenge anyone to find an airport busier than VNY whi
74 Tjwgrr : Read the it again. The OP was discussing MDW having nothing larger than the 737 and 32X. Nothing mentioned about excluding the 757. Also the OP's top
75 RussianJet : Yeah, but that's called discussion. His question still has many closely-related subjects that contribute towards its very formation in the first plac
76 Timz : What is that answer?
77 Burnsie28 : True but this is about heavies as STL does see the occasional NW 753, and countless 752's from AA, which in some cases are Heavy. Grand Forks I would
78 Jcf5002 : Just for giggles, but UNV has long been touted as the busiest airport (in the country or east of the Mississippi, forget which) without a control towe
79 RussianJet : You tell me!? If anyone can prove definitely both in terms aircraft movements and passenger figures which airport with no heavies according to the de
80 Cubsrule : When was the last time NW had a 753 scheduled? I didn't know that either of their gates could accommodate a 75.
81 ADent : SNA is 915/day and no widebodies. They do get 757s. At one point that had a Max Weight limit for the runway. Not sure a MTOW 757 can take off from a 5
82 Flyf15 : SNA gets daily FedEx A300s from MEM
83 Post contains images Viscount724 : STN gets plenty of heavies including 747s, mostly freighters and VIP aircraft. A few recent photos.
84 Steex : I think that must be a mistake; neither of NW's gates at STL can accomodate a 757. They were only upgraded in the last year to accept the 319/320, pr
85 Trintocan : Quite an interesting discussion here. I would vouch for LCY as being one of the certainties - they certainly do not get any 757s. The largest plane ce
86 Timz : With how many scheduled departures?
87 Chicago757 : TIMZ......chill out man.
88 YVRLTN : Boundary Bay (ZBB) in BC is the busiest airport in Canada - in terms of movements (ahead of YYZ!!!) but largest aircraft is a King Air / Citationjet..
89 NewYorkCityBoi : From wikipedia: Chicago Midway MDW: 19.37m passengers in 2007 Sao Paulo Congonhas CGH: 15.24m passengers in 2007 Oslo Gardermoen OSL: 19.04m passenger
90 ADent : What time or flight #? I dont' see them on FlightAware.com.
91 EDICHC : Perhaps couldn't compete with MDW but LCY would certainly be a candidate in Europe or for an"outwith the US" title. As you say no confusion over the
92 RussianJet : What about the heavily restricted hours of operation? And the fact that the OP is referring to ? I guess that rules out GA movements from the equatio
93 SANMAN66 : And don't forget the UPS 763 from Hawaii.
94 Post contains links Flyf15 : http://flightaware.com/live/flight/FDX389
95 Burnsie28 : I didn't say that it was scheduled. It wasn't a mistake since I didn't say it was scheduled, I just said that it sees them from time to time from NW.
96 Viscount724 : I think LCY has around 130 scheduled departures daily on weekdays. Much fewer on weekends since the airport is closed Saturday afternoon/evening and
97 Cubsrule : When was the last time one was in in scheduled service? We seem to be playing stupid symantic games... They can. UA can bring a 772 in too...
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