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Allegiant Is Thinking About Charging For Carry On  
User currently offlineAWACSooner From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 1902 posts, RR: 1
Posted (5 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 5144 times:

Source: http://www.lasvegasadvisor.com/whatsnews.cfm#3816
• October 22, 2008 Allegiant Revenue Soars Despite a narrower profit margin, locally based carrier Allegiant Travel Co. saw a 35% increase in third-quarter revenues this year. Allegiant credits its practice of charging for checked luggage for a 58% reduction in bags checked and is now discussing charging passengers for carry-on luggage, too. "Some would argue it sounds like a new revenue opportunity, but we’ll have to address that in future calls," Managing Director Ponder Harrison said, according to the Las Vegas Review-Journal.







I've honestly been made speechless. I would tell them to do the anatomically impossible if they EVER tried to charge me for a carry on bag.

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User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 22923 posts, RR: 20
Reply 1, posted (5 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 5117 times:

When your schedule is such that people basically have to stay overnight at the destination, I don't see how this unbundling makes any sense. People are going to have to have a bag. If that's the case, what's the point of not rolling it in to the fare?


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User currently offlineExFATboy From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 2974 posts, RR: 9
Reply 2, posted (5 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 5088 times:

Agreed...this is "unbundling" carried one step too far. I don't mind unbundling in theory, since it lets passengers choose what services they want, but does anyone ever buy a same-day round-trip on Allegiant?

User currently offlineCIDflyer From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 2285 posts, RR: 3
Reply 3, posted (5 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 5093 times:



Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 1):
When your schedule is such that people basically have to stay overnight at the destination, I don't see how this unbundling makes any sense. People are going to have to have a bag. If that's the case, what's the point of not rolling it in to the fare?

Exactly. I love Allegiant, they are a great airline but this really seems a bit too extreme, and from a PR standpoint would really be messy IMHO. Where do we draw the line?


User currently offlineFLALEFTY From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 465 posts, RR: 3
Reply 4, posted (5 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 5047 times:

What next? Charging extra for female passengers carrying on purses? What about charging passengers for wearing clothes? Do you only get the "base fare" if you are nude?

This unbundling of fares is getting absurd!


User currently offlineNational757 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 720 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (5 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 5045 times:



Quoting FLALEFTY (Reply 4):
Do you only get the "base fare" if you are nude?

I've thought of a new promotional campaign for Allegiant, Ladies Fly Free  Wink



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User currently offlineDTWAGENT From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 1283 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (5 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 5003 times:

Great. If they get away with this. I can see all the aircarriers doing this. Looks like charging for the loo will be next.....

User currently offlinePar13del From Bahamas, joined Dec 2005, 7136 posts, RR: 8
Reply 7, posted (5 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 5003 times:



Quoting FLALEFTY (Reply 4):
This unbundling of fares is getting absurd!

Well unbundling is unbundling, I'm still waiting for the lower fare for those pax below a certain weight. If the bags in the hold result in extra fuel being used its all about the weight, lighter pax should not have to pay for the heavier ones, its sounds just as ridiculous as the current title of this thread, but principle is principle, and since we seemed to have accepted the payment for all checked bags why should the airline not try to charge for everything else?
Until WN or other airlines who have refused the first bag fee's see a marked increase in pax loads and those who charge a corresponding decrease, the airlines will not get the message as none is being given.


User currently offlineFWAERJ From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 3739 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (5 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 4974 times:

I'm surprised that Ryanair didn't think of this before Allegiant...


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User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 22923 posts, RR: 20
Reply 9, posted (5 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 4956 times:



Quoting Par13del (Reply 7):
Well unbundling is unbundling,

I disagree. The whole point of unbundling is to pull in ancillary revenue while cutting your costs. Like all unbundling, this scheme will pull in ancillary revenue, but it will result in small cost increase. There are absolutely no cost savings here.



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User currently offlineJA From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 563 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (5 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 4821 times:

Bad idea. There is a lot that goes into loading bags on flights. There is nothing extra for passengers to bring carry-ons. Doing that will kill them for sure.

User currently offlineCVG2LGA From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 631 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (5 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 4788 times:

WOW! I too am uber surprised.
Only that Allegiant is the first to (consider*) doing this. I've said it was coming before, even so today in the 'Continental carryon thread' but never imagined Allegiant would be the first.

Lol, would have guessed UA or US actually, honestly. And of course everyone to follow as they have...just about everyone I guess

Tchau

DA-



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User currently offlineOdysseus9001 From United States of America, joined Oct 2008, 134 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (5 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 4707 times:



Quoting DTWAGENT (Reply 6):
Great. If they get away with this. I can see all the aircarriers doing this. Looks like charging for the loo will be next.....

Complete with coin slots on the door like I remember from yesteryear. I will need to remember to bring quarters next time I go transatlantic.

Actually, in some places, even ordinary public restrooms at tourist sites have attendants you pay before you go. In exchange, they give you a paper towel and keep the place up. Perhaps they can relegate this role to a flight attendant. He or she has to ensure the profitability of the facility. They could run a video of a waterfall on the overhead LCD screens and limit the drinks to caffeinated variants.

I guess I better stop. I worry that a few airline executives might not be able to tell the difference between humor and a great business idea.

John


User currently offlineFATFlyer From United States of America, joined May 2001, 5801 posts, RR: 15
Reply 13, posted (5 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 4686 times:

We have to look at the full comment in context, it is in relation to how to handle the additional carryons now filling overhead bins, a problem for all airlines now in terms of space and boarding time.

According to the Seeking Alpha call transcript:
"That said, our newest challenge, and I'm sure we're probably not alone in the industry on this is managing the avalanche of free carryon bags now filling every inch of our overhead bin space. Some would argue that it sounds like a new revenue opportunity but we'll have to address that in future calls."

They also talked about having started priority boarding for an additional fee.
"We actually introduced it last Thursday evening and we initially loaded it at a rate of $5. That is purely experimental at this point. We have moved that price point around even since the initial load to a variety of price points not exceeding $10 I would add but probably every variation between $10 and $5.

We may couple that with some other services and try and further create value to the idea of boarding first. In particular we mentioned the carryon baggage opportunity.

http://seekingalpha.com/article/1012...8-earnings-call-transcript?page=-1

So they are exploring lots of ideas right now. Its too early to know what might happen.



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User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 22923 posts, RR: 20
Reply 14, posted (5 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 4661 times:



Quoting FATFlyer (Reply 13):
We have to look at the full comment in context, it is in relation to how to handle the additional carryons now filling overhead bins, a problem for all airlines now in terms of space and boarding time.

Funny... back when the charging for bags craze started, I worried about this. It'll be interesting to see what happens. I don't believe charging is the answer.



I can't decide whether I miss the tulip or the bowling shoe more
User currently offlineRyanairGuru From Australia, joined Oct 2006, 5444 posts, RR: 5
Reply 15, posted (5 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 4533 times:

In Australia the standard cabin baggage (for both QF and the like of DJ, JQ etc.) is ONE bag waying no more than 7kg. In Europe many airlines are even more stringent at 5kg.

Now why not apply that to North America? Instead of watching people walking on with two large wheelie cases and then clogging up the overhead bins. If you said everybody could take on, say, one bag at 20lbs (I think thats the equivalent although don't quote me on that - honestly I don't really now) and anything over that u pay to go in the hold. Extra revenue through check-in luggage, fewer bags slowing down boarding process. If people don't like it TOUGH thats the rules (and how its done in the rest of the world)

Anectodaly, passing through Brisbane (Australia) I saw someone at security sent back to check-in because their hand baggage waid more than 7kg - told they would have to pay to have it shipped in the hold, and hey life goes on...



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User currently offlinePar13del From Bahamas, joined Dec 2005, 7136 posts, RR: 8
Reply 16, posted (5 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 4488 times:



Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 15):
In Australia the standard cabin baggage (for both QF and the like of DJ, JQ etc.) is ONE bag waying no more than 7kg. In Europe many airlines are even more stringent at 5kg.

Eventually, we will get to the basic issue, why do people fly, is luggage a necessitity for travel, or do person fly just to give airlines money. The more things change the more they remain the same, a/c are deisgned with hold to carry luggage and cargo, thats where it belongs. We recently had a few airlines encounter unexpected turbulence, would be interesting to know if they were loaded with carry on's to avoid baggage fees and how much did they contribute to injuries.


User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 22923 posts, RR: 20
Reply 17, posted (5 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 4392 times:



Quoting Par13del (Reply 16):
The more things change the more they remain the same, a/c are deisgned with hold to carry luggage and cargo, thats where it belongs. We recently had a few airlines encounter unexpected turbulence, would be interesting to know if they were loaded with carry on's to avoid baggage fees and how much did they contribute to injuries.

While I agree with your analysis, we have to remember that some people carried on bags before the fees for checking started. While some did it out of a perhaps irrational fear of checking, others did it simply for the convenience. They didn't overpack, and they never came close to the limitations in place on carryons. I wonder how we can (or whether we should) cater to those folks while trying to do something about the problems with excessive carryons.



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User currently offlineExFATboy From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 2974 posts, RR: 9
Reply 18, posted (5 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 4172 times:



Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 15):
Instead of watching people walking on with two large wheelie cases and then clogging up the overhead bins. If you said everybody could take on, say, one bag at 20lbs (I think thats the equivalent although don't quote me on that - honestly I don't really now) and anything over that u pay to go in the hold.

Well, unless someone's letting a passenger blatantly defy policy, you can't take two wheelie cases on board in the US. If you saw someone with two wheelies, they probably had a kid around there somewhere.

And the problem isn't weight - 5 or 7 kg (11 or 15.4 lbs, respectively) is just ridiculous. I have an elderly laptop that weighs 7 pounds all by itself, without the power brick! I've visited both Europe (and even flown discount carriers there) and Australia, and never had my carry-on weighed.

The problem is dimensions - people cheat on their wheelie bags, and US airlines don't enforce the size rules effectively. (I did see that enforced in Europe and Australia.) Also, airlines allow people to bring odd-shaped items aboard...all it takes is one twit with a guitar to screw up an entire bin for those of us with legal wheelie-bags. There's also the problem with varying bin sizes, even on the same airline.

Personally, what I'd like to see airlines do is have a standard bin size on all their planes (at least mainline planes, or if there is deviation have a minimum size), subdivide the bin into spaces for each individual seat, and tell you "that's your space. If it fits there or by your feet, fine. Otherwise, check it."


User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 22923 posts, RR: 20
Reply 19, posted (5 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 4155 times:



Quoting ExFATboy (Reply 18):
Personally, what I'd like to see airlines do is have a standard bin size on all their planes (at least mainline planes, or if there is deviation have a minimum size), subdivide the bin into spaces for each individual seat, and tell you "that's your space. If it fits there or by your feet, fine. Otherwise, check it."

That's going to preclude 22 inch roller bags. Of course, that may be all right.



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User currently offlineADXMatt From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 950 posts, RR: 2
Reply 20, posted (5 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 4000 times:

Maybe they should considor just charging for the overhead bins? If it fits under the seat it's free otherwise you can pay for an overhead "locker". You can buy a key from the gate agent or flight attendant while they last.

User currently offlinePlaneguy727 From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 1247 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (5 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 3907 times:

Space in overhead bins could become more abundant if there was some enforcement of the "place smaller items under the seat in front of you" line I hear every time I board an aircraft. It's a nice idea - but with no enforcement, it's a mess. Unless seated in a bulkhead row I always place my briefcase under the seat - even if it is the only carryon I have. Also makes access easier during the flight (since I prefer window seats).

And we need to do some re-training of the pax as well. If they stopped trying to carry so much crap with them, it makes it easier for all (including them). Bring civility and respect of fellow passengers back to the air please...



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User currently offlineFATFlyer From United States of America, joined May 2001, 5801 posts, RR: 15
Reply 22, posted (5 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 3833 times:



Quoting Planeguy727 (Reply 21):
Space in overhead bins could become more abundant if there was some enforcement of the "place smaller items under the seat in front of you" line I hear every time I board an aircraft. It's a nice idea - but with no enforcement, it's a mess. Unless seated in a bulkhead row I always place my briefcase under the seat - even if it is the only carryon I have. Also makes access easier during the flight (since I prefer window seats).

And we need to do some re-training of the pax as well. If they stopped trying to carry so much crap with them, it makes it easier for all (including them). Bring civility and respect of fellow passengers back to the air please...

I agree.

My wife and I travel on week-long vacations with only a rollaboard and a small personal bag each. The rollaboards go in the overhead and the other small bags (with a change of clothes, personal care products, books, etc) under our seats for easy access. We try to avoid hauling a lot of unneeded c**p with us.

For business trips the same thing, I stick a rollaboard in the overhead and my briefcase (with the laptop inside it) under the seat.



"Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry, and narrow-mindedness." - Mark Twain
User currently offlineExFATboy From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 2974 posts, RR: 9
Reply 23, posted (5 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 3746 times:



Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 19):
That's going to preclude 22 inch roller bags. Of course, that may be all right.

True, and a good point, but I think that having a set, predetermined amount of space for each passenger would more than offset having to have a smaller bag - it would eliminate the mad scrum to get on the plane right away, the increased boarding time and hassle I've been seeing lately as people have to search for space, and would also speed up getting off the plane by getting rid of the latest really annoying trend in passenger behaviour: passengers in the back of the plane putting their carry-ons in bins ten or fifteen rows in front of them, causing passengers in the front rows to have to go past their row to find space.

Knowing that you had your space ready for your bag right above your seat would be great, I think.

I do admit it could create conflict with those occasional passengers with lap babies that think that because they have a baby, they get to bring a diaper/toy/formula bag with them...if the kid doesn't have a seat, it doesn't get a bag allotment. Of course, I'd do away with lap babies entirely, but that topic's been covered elsewhere...


User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 22923 posts, RR: 20
Reply 24, posted (5 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 3711 times:



Quoting ExFATboy (Reply 23):
Knowing that you had your space ready for your bag right above your seat would be great, I think.

 checkmark Agreed, completely. It should really speed things up (and do away with the mad rush to board ahead of one's group).



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25 OldAeroGuy : Alaska used to have a commercial about this and the need to carry exact change.
26 Brilondon : UA if you remember tried to charge for inflight meals on their international flights ad there was a serious backlash for that practice yet we all sai
27 Burnsie28 : I'm not shocked, they charge $2 for a can of soda. They would probably charge $5-10 for a carryon and then I could see them doing it for certain fare
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