Planesarecool From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2001, 4088 posts, RR: 13 Posted (4 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 5664 times:
Not sure if this has been posted anywhere, and it's probably old news, but a search has yielded no results.
BA appear to be increasing their Dubai frequencies to 25x weekly from January 1st with a new early evening frequency operating 4 times per week with 772 equipment.
Shame the DXB-LHR leg is so inflexible. On Fridays they will be sending three 777-200s from Dubai to Heathrow between 10:00-11:05. The new flights will mean a total of 14x daily flights from London to Dubai on some days, including EK's A380 service.
MIgAiR54 From Spain, joined Jun 2007, 1276 posts, RR: 0 Reply 1, posted (4 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 5512 times:
It´s incredible. 14x daily flights some days.
how many between LON and NYC??
Quoting Planesarecool (Thread starter): Shame the DXB-LHR leg is so inflexible. On Fridays they will be sending three 777-200s from Dubai to Heathrow between 10:00-11:05
Quite extrange, They don´t have any afternoon and evening flight.
Flyingfool From Netherlands, joined May 2005, 415 posts, RR: 0 Reply 4, posted (4 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 5221 times:
Quoting Behramjee (Reply 3): and btw this increase is only valid from Jan 1st up to March 29th 2009.
Because at the 29th of march 2009 the N/H summer schedules will be active and announcements for that schedule will be announced within the next months.
Thorben From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 5, posted (4 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 5112 times:
Quoting Planesarecool (Thread starter): The new flights will mean a total of 14x daily flights from London to Dubai on some days, including EK's A380 service.
EK certainly offers many onward connection flights to India, Southeast Asia, and Australia. How about BA? Is their business all about O&D flying to DXB and offering connections from LHR to the UK and North America?
Planesarecool From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2001, 4088 posts, RR: 13 Reply 6, posted (4 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 5023 times:
Quoting Thorben (Reply 5): EK certainly offers many onward connection flights to India, Southeast Asia, and Australia. How about BA? Is their business all about O&D flying to DXB and offering connections from LHR to the UK and North America?
It would mainly be connections from the Americas and O&D. The UK has adequate coverage from EK, so there won't be a great deal of passengers from around the regions connecting through LHR. The only exceptions would be those wishing to travel in FIRST, as Emirates don't offer First Class from the UK regions.
The O&D market between London and Dubai is massive, and is only going to increase as Dubai expands. Besides BA's increases this Winter, Emirates are increasing capacity by bringing in the A380 flight, but by also upgrading two of the three LGW services from A330 to 772 and 77W equipment. These three upgraded flights alone will provide an extra 298 seats per day, or the equivilant of an additional 777-200 service.
BAStew From Australia, joined Sep 2006, 1006 posts, RR: 2 Reply 8, posted (4 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 4632 times:
Most of the DXB flights I have worked on seem to be O&D traffic from UK with some connecting from other cities in europe down the back. Club and First a mix of O&D and some north american transit.
It is my least favourite route to work. Many of the passengers on the cheap seats down the back seem to think they are on a private jet. Its quite the wannabe middle class yet slightly chav set hat seems to make up the bulk of the passengers.
So different to the crowd you get on flights to abu dhabi, muscat, kuwait etc.
I'd rather work a Mumbai, Delhi, Lagos flight anyday.
Jfk777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 7342 posts, RR: 7 Reply 12, posted (4 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 3706 times:
A morning LHR to Dubai for the North American market is lacking the schedule too. Surprised BA doesn't have an early afternnon or late afternoon Dubai to LHR.
BA777ER236 From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2006, 277 posts, RR: 9 Reply 13, posted (4 years 6 months 4 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 3079 times:
Quoting Jfk777 (Reply 12): A morning LHR to Dubai for the North American market is lacking the schedule too. Surprised BA doesn't have an early afternnon or late afternoon Dubai to LHR.
This has a lot to do with the time change and the Night Jet Ban(NJB) at LHR.
Let us say that BA plan a mid afternoon (15:00 local) DXB-LHR flt. DXB is 3 hrs ahead of LHR, so that would mean a departure at 12:00 UK time. The aircraft needs roughly 2 hrs to turn round, so this would mean that the inbound a/c would arrive in DXB at 10:00 UK time. It is a 6.5 hour flt from LHR, so departure would be at 03:30 UK time. This is roughly half way through the NJB at LHR, so can't be done. In fact, any afternoon flt out of DXB will encounter this problem of the NJB at LHR, hence the current timings.
A similar problem exists for a morning flt ex-LHR. If you allow connection time for US flts, then BA would probably time a LHR departure for 08:30 local UK. This would arrive in DXB at 15:30 local UK. A two hour turnround and departure back to LHR at 17:30 local UK (20:30 DXB time) would put it on the ground at 01:00 UK local time (7:30 flt) and, once again, in the NJB.
If BA were to run these flts, no matter how sensible and desirable the timings seem to you, then they would have to incorporate long and uneconomic turnrounds for the a/c to avoid the NJB at LHR.
In fact, BA do run morning flts to the Gulf. The BA73 leaves for AUH at 09:40 UK time and the BA125 leaves for BAH at 10:40. The reason that these flts run at these times, is that the a/c both go on to MCT and DOH respectively and then return to LHR via AUH and BAH respectively again. In doing so, they arrive back at LHR just after 06:00 UK time and hence just after the NJB. In the DXB case, there is enough traffic usually on the lead service to preclude an add on shuttle as in the BA73/125. One can always connect via taxi from AUH to DXB (about 40 minutes on the new road, I believe)
Thorben From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 14, posted (4 years 6 months 4 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 2521 times:
Quoting Planesarecool (Reply 6): It would mainly be connections from the Americas and O&D. The UK has adequate coverage from EK, so there won't be a great deal of passengers from around the regions connecting through LHR. The only exceptions would be those wishing to travel in FIRST, as Emirates don't offer First Class from the UK regions.
But EK "only" offers GLA, NCL, MAN, and BHX. BA certaily offers more destinations in the UK and Ireland.
Quoting JerseyFlyer (Reply 7): Quoting Planesarecool (Thread starter):
On Fridays they will be sending three 777-200s from Dubai to Heathrow between 10:00-11:05.
That should justify an A380!
How inconvenient that would be. Pax want flexibility. It is a lot nicer to have the choice between a flight at 10:35 and one at 11:05. Besides, when you arrive at LHR with a T7, you have the immigration and luggage parts almost for yourself, when the next one from the same destination arrives 30 minutes later. With one A380, they would be so crowded. I think BA should actually switch to 787s and offer four flights within an hour.
Quoting Henkybaby (Reply 10): No, they are basically just shipping all the recently unemployed City bankers to their new careers. Wink
Why do you think EK deploys the A380 to New York? 250,000 jobs will be cut at Wall street.
These restrictions are certainly there for a lot of other flights at a lot of other airports, too. Using bigger aircraft is the only solution to allow pax growth and new destinations.
Planesarecool From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2001, 4088 posts, RR: 13 Reply 15, posted (4 years 6 months 4 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 2296 times:
Quoting Thorben (Reply 14): But EK "only" offers GLA, NCL, MAN, and BHX. BA certaily offers more destinations in the UK and Ireland.
Well BA only offer ABZ and EDI on top of that, and it's a fair assumption that must passengers from the Edinburgh area will use either the Glasgow or Newcastle EK flights. Aberdeen is the only UK airport where BA could arguably be the most convenient option to DXB.
Quoting Thorben (Reply 14): Pax want flexibility. It is a lot nicer to have the choice between a flight at 10:35 and one at 11:05.
Yes passengers want flexibility, but departure times at 10:35 and 11:05 is hardly flexible at all. Putting an A380 on the LHR-DXB overnight and then late morning return would be more ideal than sending two 777s half an hour apart.
Par13del From Bahamas, joined Dec 2005, 5897 posts, RR: 8 Reply 16, posted (4 years 6 months 4 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 2257 times:
Quoting Thorben (Reply 14): How inconvenient that would be. Pax want flexibility. It is a lot nicer to have the choice between a flight at 10:35 and one at 11:05.
I guess the next thing we will hear is that if a later flight gets a good jet stream they will not use it, lower speed or change altitude?
We are talking long haul flights here, that many flights within an hour of each other makes no sense, one is on the runway while the other is pushing from the gate, at first I thought it was a curfew issue at LHR, my bad. If they are successfull, I look for a high density a/c - B-744 or A-380 - to take over the route.
Shamrock604 From Ireland, joined Sep 2007, 4039 posts, RR: 13 Reply 18, posted (4 years 6 months 4 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 1672 times:
Quoting Thorben (Reply 14): But EK "only" offers GLA, NCL, MAN, and BHX. BA certaily offers more destinations in the UK and Ireland.
BA dont serve any Irish Destination with their own metal from Heathrow: Just from Gatwick with a DUB service. They do however, codeshare on EI's DUB and ORK service.
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