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NW To Add Flights To Chicago, Match WN's Air Fares  
User currently offlineKarlB737 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 3144 posts, RR: 10
Posted (6 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 10582 times:

In a move that I know will absolutely surprise every A-Net member worldwide Northwest will begin again to "protect their turf" at MSP in light of the future flights by Southwest to Chicago from Minneapolis. In a way I find this interesting in that I have noted that Northwest hasn't been initiating this practice as much as they used to. As I shared with A-Net member isitsafenow last weekend this would happen a lot at FNT. Northwest would match whoever and whatever new came into that airport. But I have felt that the practice had fallen off. Yes MSP is much more than FNT by leaps and bounds but this is at least is my observation.

With airline expenses as they currently are can Northwest keep protecting their turf?

Courtesy: Minneapolis Star-Tribune

Northwest To Add Flights To Chicago, Match Southwest's Air Fares

http://www.startribune.com/business/...iiUiD3aPc:_Yyc:aULPQL7PQLanchO7DiU

Courtesy: Wall Street Journal
Northwest: We’ll Match Southwest’s Fares at MSP
http://blogs.wsj.com/middleseat/2008...thwests-fares-at-msp/?mod=yahoo_hs

[Edited 2008-10-23 13:51:51]

110 replies: All unread, showing first 25:
 
User currently offlineSANFan From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 5599 posts, RR: 12
Reply 1, posted (6 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 10506 times:



Quoting KarlB737 (Thread starter):
In a move that I know will absolutely surprise every A-Net member worldwide Northwest will begin again to "protect their turf" at MSP in light of the future flights by Southwest to Chicago from Minneapolis.

 checkmark  Oh my, I am so shocked!

And I'm sure WN is shaking in their tires...  Wink

Attn: NW (errrr, DL), THIS will be a battle!

bb


User currently offlineRL757PVD From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 4717 posts, RR: 11
Reply 2, posted (6 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 10475 times:

Well this is the first time its on such a large scale and with ripple effects throught the network.

Adding a few RJs or DC9s on a route here or route there to places like DSM GRR or FNT can be easily absorbed in the network.

Delta can teach NW a thing or two about how to make money with an LCC thorn in their side. DL has a reaction every time as well, but they arent as cut throat at NW.



Experience is what you get when what you thought would work out didn't!
User currently offlineKcrwFlyer From United States of America, joined May 2004, 3847 posts, RR: 7
Reply 3, posted (6 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 10431 times:

Just adding flights? Just cutting fares? For a route this size, I'd expect widebodies from NW.

User currently offlineSteex From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 1763 posts, RR: 9
Reply 4, posted (6 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 10399 times:



Quoting KcrwFlyer (Reply 3):
Just adding flights? Just cutting fares? For a route this size, I'd expect widebodies from NW.

I know that's at least somewhat tongue-in-cheek, but I would assume NW is particularly focusing on MDW to go after WN, which eliminates the widebodies. Could we see 753's back at MDW once more since the demise of TZ though? That would be great!

In a way, I'm almost surprised NW didn't react similarly to their announcement (and subsequent cancelling) of LGA-DFW in response to AA's LGA-MSP. I don't think they'd be successful at it, but I could've seen them announcing that they would fly MDW-DAL non-stop on RJ's, MDW-DFW mainline, or maybe some of their high-frequency midwest routes like MDW-STL. It would probably all be for nothing, but it also wouldn't have surprised me to see NW try it.


User currently offlineRL757PVD From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 4717 posts, RR: 11
Reply 5, posted (6 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 10320 times:

Im suprised NW isnt starting hourly DAL-SAT, DAL-AUS and DAL HOU


Experience is what you get when what you thought would work out didn't!
User currently offlineWorldTraveler From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (6 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 10308 times:



Quoting RL757PVD (Reply 2):
Delta can teach NW a thing or two about how to make money with an LCC thorn in their side. DL has a reaction every time as well, but they arent as cut throat at NW.

shall we list the cities that FL has pulled out of this year? I guess DL's unwillingness to pull down capacity in those markets while doing it elsewhere is just because DL was playing nice. NOT.


User currently offlineWA707atMSP From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 2264 posts, RR: 8
Reply 7, posted (6 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 10259 times:

When AirTran was in MSP-MDW, NW would offer $18 round trip (plus tax) fares once every couple of months. They were great for mileage runs. Of course, the fares went away as soon as AirTran dropped MSP-MDW.

Hopefully, WN's entry into MSP-MDW will bring back the $18 round trip fares on NW!



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User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 20336 posts, RR: 59
Reply 8, posted (6 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 10237 times:



Quoting SANFan (Reply 1):

checkmark Oh my, I am so shocked!

 checkmark  So was I. Until I got over it 0.00003 seconds later.

NW can try to match WN's fares, yes. But they can't match WN's service.

Having lived in a different NW hub, I know that animosity towards NW runs high in those communities.

But honestly, it's not NW that needs to be afraid of WN. It's UA and AA.

Here's why: if Joe the Plumber lives in Minneapolis and wants to go to SAN, he can do the following:
1) MSP-SAN non-stop on NW
2) MSP-ORD-SAN on UA or AA
3) MSP-MDW-SAN on WN

So in this case, WN is competing against UA/AA, not NW.

Now suppose Joe lives in Minneapolis and wants to go to Chicago (or vice-versa). Well, he can fly UA, AA, NW, and now WN. Again, WN is competing in a market now with three airlines.

Now here's where the competition does happen. If Joe's MSP-SAN trip is $200 less on WN than on NW, then he's going to choose WN, even though he has to make a connection at MDW.

It's really no different than the current situation at DTW.


User currently offlinePlanesNTrains From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 5793 posts, RR: 28
Reply 9, posted (6 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 10176 times:



Quoting DocLightning (Reply 8):
Here's why: if Joe the Plumber lives in Minneapolis

Joe is really getting around these days.  Smile

Not that it will happen, but perhaps WN should pull a NW (a la Reno Air) and get pissed and add MSP-MEM, MSP-DTW, and just for fun, MSP-LAX. That'd be ugly.

-Dave



Next Trip: SEA-ABQ-SEA on Alaska
User currently onlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 23302 posts, RR: 20
Reply 10, posted (6 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day ago) and read 10146 times:



Quoting DocLightning (Reply 8):
It's really no different than the current situation at DTW.

 checkmark DTW isn't exactly a rousing success for WN, though. They do fine, but it's no DEN or PHL.

At MSP, you get in to the question of how much more people will pay to take a nonstop flight. NW/DL should be able to command some yield premium over WN; the interesting issue is how large that premium will be.



I can't decide whether I miss the tulip or the bowling shoe more
User currently offlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17824 posts, RR: 46
Reply 11, posted (6 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day ago) and read 10124 times:

Cue the DC10s coming back to operate MSPORD Silly


E pur si muove -Galileo
User currently offlineRidgid727 From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 1242 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (6 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day ago) and read 10036 times:



Quoting RL757PVD (Reply 2):
Delta can teach NW a thing or two about how to make money with an LCC thorn in their side. DL has a reaction every time as well, but they arent as cut throat at NW.

Kinda like they did in SLC? Pretended Morris didn't exist, until the 5,000 lb gorilla bought what DL thought was nothing more than a boutique airline. DL is no innovator, they are an immitator!


User currently offlineDeltAirlines From United States of America, joined May 1999, 8913 posts, RR: 12
Reply 13, posted (6 years 1 month 4 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 9950 times:

Sounds good to me. Even though WN brought down the price, I'll stick with DL/NW at those prices due to the superior service I get from DL/NW compared to WN.

And before the WN-lovers start to question the above statement, I will be Platinum on Delta in 2 weeks. Thus, a First Class seat, a lounge at both ORD and MSP, 100% bonus miles for flying the route, a much wider route network, etc. appeal to me a lot more than anything WN offers.


User currently offlineAaron747 From Japan, joined Aug 2003, 8289 posts, RR: 26
Reply 14, posted (6 years 1 month 4 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 9905 times:

And around and around the idiot merry-go-round of US legacy airline revenue management we go...


If you need someone to blame / throw a rock in the air / you'll hit someone guilty
User currently offlineAf773atmsp From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 2714 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (6 years 1 month 4 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 9877 times:

NW will lose me as a customer if they get WN out of town.  Angry

If I'm flying somewhere with my family I'll look at WN's fares way before NW.



It ain't no normal MD80 its a Super 80!
User currently offlineSNCntry32 From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 1521 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (6 years 1 month 4 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 9863 times:



Quoting DeltAirlines (Reply 13):
DL/NW

LMAO! Service? NW? Same sentence? Precious...

Until this merger is final they are two seperate carriers with two very different domestic products.

We all saw this coming, and I am willing to bet if the 753 can make it to MDW, she will be there... I guess we can say goodbye to CP on the route..



Long Live Memphis!
User currently onlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 23302 posts, RR: 20
Reply 17, posted (6 years 1 month 4 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 9798 times:



Quoting SNCntry32 (Reply 16):
We all saw this coming, and I am willing to bet if the 753 can make it to MDW, she will be there...

She can. NW has had her in there before.



I can't decide whether I miss the tulip or the bowling shoe more
User currently offlineDeltAirlines From United States of America, joined May 1999, 8913 posts, RR: 12
Reply 18, posted (6 years 1 month 4 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 9774 times:



Quoting SNCntry32 (Reply 16):
Until this merger is final they are two seperate carriers with two very different domestic products.

See the latter part of my post.

And DL Medallions start getting upgraded on Northwest on Tuesday. Basically, they're the same then in my eyes - I can get my seat up front on either airline now (since my next NW itinerary isn't until November).

As I said, I could care less about food in coach - I turn down DL's coach snacks every single time. I get a drink on DL, NW (or WN for that matter). Domestic coach is pretty much all the same nowadays. At least on NW I can pre-board and reserve an (exit-row) seat.


User currently offlineSNCntry32 From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 1521 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (6 years 1 month 4 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 9765 times:



Quoting DeltAirlines (Reply 18):
As I said, I could care less about food in coach - I turn down DL's coach snacks every single time. I get a drink on DL, NW (or WN for that matter). Domestic coach is pretty much all the same nowadays. At least on NW I can pre-board and reserve an (exit-row) seat.

There is that advantage... However, I would assume that NW FFyers will get upgraded first. There seems to be quit a few of them too. An open first seat for a NW silver is usually unheard of...



Long Live Memphis!
User currently offline2H4 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 8956 posts, RR: 60
Reply 20, posted (6 years 1 month 4 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 9747 times:
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Quoting DeltAirlines (Reply 13):
Sounds good to me. Even though WN brought down the price, I'll stick with DL/NW at those prices due to the superior service I get from DL/NW compared to WN.

And before the WN-lovers start to question the above statement, I will be Platinum on Delta in 2 weeks. Thus, a First Class seat, a lounge at both ORD and MSP, 100% bonus miles for flying the route, a much wider route network, etc. appeal to me a lot more than anything WN offers.

I'm as big a WN fan as anyone, and I find myself in the exact same situation with NW. Because I live near MSN, NW is, more often than not, the most convenient choice. As a result, I'm about to go Platinum on NW, and I'll be looking forward to the occasional first class seat.

Quoting SNCntry32 (Reply 16):
LMAO! Service? NW? Same sentence? Precious...

Even as a huge fan of WN, I find your sarcasm really juvenile. I fly NW quite frequently, and over the past couple of years, I can't think of a single bad experience or lack of service in any way, shape, or form.

2H4



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User currently offlineWorldTraveler From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (6 years 1 month 4 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 9738 times:



Quoting Ridgid727 (Reply 12):
Kinda like they did in SLC?

DL has kept WN from adding more service at SLC just like NW has kept WN from expanding in DTW.

For those of you who think it's all about legacy carriers beating up LFCs, wanna look at the number of LFC routes that have been eliminated by other carriers at MDW, how many network routes have been slashed at PHL or LAS (just to name a few), and how aggressively WN has fought to keep other carriers from allowing other carriers from expanding in Florida or at WN's home at DAL.

Any airline that rolls over and allows a competitor to establish itself in its strength markets is not doing its job.... we can look at how easily WN has expanded in UA and US markets and compare that to other network carrier markets vs WN and see the difference in the financial results for the network carrier and the fact that WN has grown very little in AA, CO, DL, and NW hubs. the fact that WN has looked to UA and US hubs and not the other 4 is not a coincidence.


User currently offlineDeltAirlines From United States of America, joined May 1999, 8913 posts, RR: 12
Reply 22, posted (6 years 1 month 4 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 9715 times:



Quoting SNCntry32 (Reply 19):
There is that advantage... However, I would assume that NW FFyers will get upgraded first. There seems to be quit a few of them too. An open first seat for a NW silver is usually unheard of...

From what I've heard, DL Platinums will start clearing at 5 days out, DL Golds at 3 days and DL Silvers at 1 day (same system is in place right now with NW/CO). Wouldn't be surprised if it is this way due to the merger happening and it's going to get to this place sooner than later.


User currently offlineSNCntry32 From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 1521 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (6 years 1 month 4 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 9695 times:



Quoting 2H4 (Reply 20):
Even as a huge fan of WN, I find your sarcasm really juvenile. I fly NW quite frequently, and over the past couple of years, I can't think of a single bad experience or lack of service in any way, shape, or form.

Living near MSN, the natural choice would be NW. I am merely remarking upon how drastically different the NW and DL domestic coach product is. While I am a firm advocate of bringing a good book, vs. a ptv, I think we can both agree that NW merely provides you with a no thrill experience, safely, ontime, and with you baggeg. Which is what the consumer wants now a days it seem like. Where as DL seems to offer more. Not to mention, CO, dont they still serve some sort of meal? Possibly the crews did not provide you with lack of service, but the overall experience seems much different from what I have read.

NW's service today is a mere ghost of what it used to be.



Long Live Memphis!
User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 20336 posts, RR: 59
Reply 24, posted (6 years 1 month 4 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 9685 times:



Quoting DeltAirlines (Reply 13):
And before the WN-lovers start to question the above statement, I will be Platinum on Delta in 2 weeks. Thus, a First Class seat, a lounge at both ORD and MSP, 100% bonus miles for flying the route, a much wider route network, etc. appeal to me a lot more than anything WN offers.

Well of course you'll get better service with NW/DL than you would on WN. WN can't compete with lounges and F seats. That's a no-brainer.

For the rest of us who aren't elite flyers, WN offers a better overall travel experience.


25 Cubsrule : You're just flying the wrong routes... try driving over to MKE or down to ORD and flying through MEM.
26 SNCntry32 : I fly the routes... Open seats? yes sometimes... not often
27 Luv2cattlecall : As much of a fan of WN as I am...if I were in your shoes, I too would be on NW - however, if everyone was getting free upgrades, that route would be
28 Af773atmsp : So will WN most likely survive NW's upgrades on the Chicago routes or could it be like AA's LGA-MSP service?
29 DeltAirlines : I see plenty of open seats up front on NW flights. Yeah, on some heavy-business routes, a Silver will most likely sit in coach. The same is going to
30 DeltAirlines : When WN enters a market, they go in full force. It's a very-heavily researched decision and they tend to stick around - you can count on one hand the
31 Steex : I can understand the frustration that could come from being a hub captive. But, in all fairness, it sounds like NW would lose you as a customer at so
32 Cubsrule : I can't recall a single time I connected through MEM as a silver and was not upgraded.
33 KcrwFlyer : I think that WN may get larger than 30 flights in MSP over time. However, I dont think this will be too large of a problem for DL (why call them NW a
34 Mke717spotter : So will these added flights be to MDW only or to ORD as well? Excellent, should make for a great daytrip oportunity!
35 Ridgid727 : Yeah, but WN has forced DL to reduce services from a 737 or 57 to a 50 or 70 pax RJ.
36 DeltAirlines : Both MDW and ORD. If $18 MSP-MDW fares happen (I doubt they will, but I can hope...), then Mileage Runs here I come! We were talking about this at wo
37 Toltommy : Let me see if I understand you.... If NW responds to WN in the MSP-CHI market, and succeeds in using market forces to get them out, you won't fly NW?
38 Burnsie28 : Well a while back NW had about 15 flights a day to both MDW and ORD. NW has plenty of LCC's in their Turf and Air Tran is somewhat of a joke. Ha yeah
39 Cubsrule : Why in the world would you do that? Under the old system, sure, but where's the incentive now? I'm a NW fan, but I don't think there's any way you ca
40 TOLtommy : On a MSP-MDW flight, what is the difference? Seriously. Each will get a basic bev service, nothing more. NW elites will get upgraded to FC, what does
41 Flighty : Ironic statement of the year? There is an airline with unparalleled success against LCCs; the name of that airline is Northwest Airlines.
42 Iowaman : Not that WN has grown there much lately, but I did notice that SLC-DEN is being bumped up to 7x daily in November which is interesting. A leisure tra
43 RL757PVD : Against LCC's? They've never driven off WN and last time i checked FL was still in FNT IND DTW and MSP. F9 I'll give you though. Most of NW's battles
44 Mke717spotter : Well ORD-DTW on NW is pretty cheap, somewhere around $70 one way. As long as they bring the MSP flight prices down to that mark I'll be pleased.
45 Nwa744tpa : Add dedicated gate, free snacks sandwiches drinks available for pickup before flight, assigned seats, extra mileage and Elite upgrades for comparable
46 Burnsie28 : They may have not fully driven off WN, but they kept them to a low, DL hasn't done squat to WN in SLC. WN atleast in DTW has downsized operations. FL
47 DocLightning : I dunno who is doing the work over there, but they rarely make mistakes. I think it's because they have a corporate culture of listening to each-othe
48 Atrude777 : Joke or not, it is hurting DL a bit at ATL, and DL would love nothing more than to see FL leave ATL. As someone else pointed out, FL seems to be hold
49 EA CO AS : NW punishes competitors that dare to invade their turf, and they almost always succeed in driving them out whereas DL allowed a fledgling FL operatio
50 Cubsrule : The most obnoxious f/a I've ever dealt works for 9E... I believe she's Memphis-based. NW had nothing to do with FL's colossal failure at MDW. No one
51 RL757PVD : Except over the long run, you can't keep an LCC out forever, so what happens when NW's plan A doesnt work? Delta manages to achieve a sizeable revenu
52 Intermodal64 : When WN adds high-frequency service in the top 10 O&D's out of MSP (except BOS, LGA, DCA), there won't be much that DL/NW can do. This is a behavior w
53 Atrude777 : and Coke products! Don't forget Coke Products! Anyhow, again you are wrong here. WN offers so much more then NWA in coach, Along with peanuts as you
54 Bobnwa : Do you make the decisions on what airline your family uses? I would think the person paying for the tickets would make that decision.
55 Apodino : That's a moot point because Delta uses Coke products, and I guarantee you they will still use Coke products after the merger is complete.
56 Atrude777 : It was sarcasm, pure, 100% oozing sarcasm. Sorry you didn't catch it Alex
57 Cubsrule : If you aren't elite, it can be pretty difficult to get the seat you want on NW. On WN, even without Business Select, it's possible to snag an exit ro
58 Bobnwa : and you speak for all of them? And you know this because? Why haven't they done it in DTW, if it is so easy? Plenty of gates available, negligible ru
59 Joeman : This must please the a.netters that are so adamant that under normal circumstances, the almighty "yield" is normally only generated at places like ORD
60 Cubsrule : Look at the evidence... there wasn't a huge competitive response from NW (the occasional $18 fares were about it), and it stuck around longer than ma
61 Atrude777 : Of course, I don't need to speak for them. The numbers provide the facts themselves. SWA was the world's largest airline for 2007 in terms of passeng
62 Cubsrule : We need only look at the passenger numbers in places like PHX and LAS... people there have the choice of a connecting hub that will get them everywhe
63 DTWAGENT : Ok first of all. 1) NW/DL will not be bring back the DC-10's for this route. 2) Southwest prices are not always the best in town. I have been able to
64 PHLBOS : Not to mention no fee for redeeming air miles for flights (NW recently established a $50 fee for flights purchased using redeemed WorldPerks miles).
65 Bobnwa : If the numbers speak for themselves, how do explain the numbers that show WN has the LOWEST load factors in the industry month after month for many y
66 Cubsrule : What does load factor demonstrate? All it shows is that WN is more tolerant of empty seats in the system and that WN has less flexibility with aircra
67 Atrude777 : Due to the many frequencies WN offers country wide. This kind of tweaks the load factors a bit, but however WN has always had low load factors for a
68 EA CO AS : Actually you can keep an LCC out, provided you're willing to slog it out in a war of attrition and make their foray into your backyard so bloody they
69 Bobnwa : If Southwest has the most flights (which they do) they will carry the most passengers. If some other airline had the most flights (seats), they would
70 Cubsrule : Isn't demand equal to how many trips customers take? Load factor is a function of butts in the seats (demand) and aircraft allocation (supply). Passe
71 DocLightning : Wasn't so oozing. Squirted right out of the monitor and got me in the eye. That stuff STINGS. And is the most consistently profitable. (Yes, someone
72 Flighty : Thank you. I thought that would follow as an obvious truth from history but thank you for saying it straight out. Absolutely. This is a tactic NW is
73 Readytotaxi : From the other side of the Pond, why is this airline so popular to people, and why do other carriers not copy their format?
74 Atrude777 : ROFL Sorry Buddy! Oh they have, and all of them failed. United did with Ted and Shuttle by United. US Airways did with Metrojet, Continental did with
75 VS11 : Only problem is that the $200m has to come from somewhere. Option 1 is to cross-subsidize routes but this is not workable when you have many markets
76 TxAgKuwait : Atrude, you are partially correct. A lot of airlines have said that "they want to be just like Southwest, except..." The exception being assigned sea
77 Af773atmsp : When we (my family) starts planning a vacation I'm the one that looks at fares to the city we want to go to. If I wanted to fly to: Florida-FL or SY
78 EA CO AS : True, and that's why you keep lots of cash on-hand - so you can take advantage of opportunities as they present themselves and/or rely on it for gett
79 Burnsie28 : It was just another added non-relevent point, sure I have had bad landings on NW, but when 100% of my landings on WN have been hard, all at airports
80 Atrude777 : Actually no, NWA did NOT say match their "Service" only the PRICE. Read again... [b]NW To Add Flights To Chicago, Match WN's Air Fares Service was no
81 Post contains links Atrude777 : To add more since the stupid edit button doesn't seem to work for me in terms of posting... Perhaps that may be the inside reason, however it is purel
82 RL757PVD : Well it really comes down to how badly you are suffocating the market. The worse it is, the more inevitable that someone will find a way in some how,
83 Intermodal64 : While Southwest fares may not be the lowest, they offer the best value when you cannot change your schedule meet the ridiculous fare restrictions imp
84 EXAAUADL : Yup, which is why NW will fail to drive WN out of MSP. MDW is basically a WN hub, and you cant stop an airline from adding a spoke to its hub Yes, we
85 Cubsrule : "Getting horribly destroyed" generally implies that there was a destroyer. Depends on the route. If you're flying DTW-MKE, often few if any people wi
86 Burnsie28 : Well I wouldn't be surprised plus a crap ton of bonus miles that if WN offered the same in their credits would be handing out free flights left and r
87 Atrude777 : They do not sell nor have they ever sold double connections, never, ever. There has been talk in possibly extending it to double connections, but nev
88 Cubsrule : FWIW, I think WN would be well-served to permit double connections on a limited basis. For instance, if I want to book STL-GEG, I can sometimes do so
89 Atrude777 : I suppose, but WN does fine offering the three flight options they have now, all with only one connection. WN is trying to avoid double connections b
90 PlanesNTrains : I think that your post is pretty arrogant and ignorant, Burnsie28. If anything, though, you display exactly what is wrong with some of the legacy-thi
91 EXAAUADL : I would call IND routes performing in the 140s out of 150 bottom performers. DL will be closing the World Club very quickly
92 TxAgKuwait : In a related post, Burnsie writes, and I quote: Burnsie: If you happen to be checking on this thread from time to time....you neglected to answer my p
93 Cubsrule : How does your second sentence follow from the first? DL certainly has CRCs in cities that don't see any non-hub flights.
94 Intermodal64 : Very good point, Bobnwa. DTW looks a lot like CLE, when it should probably be twice as big as CLE. I think they're planning their attack from two fro
95 Cjpark : A suit no longer denotes the business traveler. When you see a suit on an airplane you are probably looking at a lawyer. Nonetheless this situation i
96 CcrlR : NWA can handle the 757-300 at MDW, but they need to be able to have enough seats filled for it to work. They will not operate the DC-9's that much to
97 PlanesNTrains : Oh, and I suppose Lawyers put suits on and fly around for the hell of it? Of course they couldn't possibly be traveling on business. -Dave
98 Atrude777 : While I detect complete snide and sarcasm, why are you honestly shocked? Of the airports/cities WN flies to out of what 64 or 65 destinations, only T
99 PlanesNTrains : Because he's CJPark. Seriously, just when you think it's safe to talk about Southwest Airlines... -Dave
100 Cjpark : You missed the point dave of course lawyers do not dress up and fly around for the hell of it. They are hoping the plane will crash so they can be th
101 Intermodal64 : What does a WN flyer get? 1. Flexibility at a low fare without a series of $150 penalties 2. A vast domestic network of non-stop and one-stop flights
102 Flighty : Vast network? LOL. WN's network is very, very small for how large of an airline it is. NW's network is 3 to 4 times larger. And most of that is serve
103 2175301 : Very good point. However, SW will bleed a decent percentage from NW and the other airlines just between Chicago and Minneapolis. Agreed. About 40% th
104 2175301 : Very good point. However, SW will bleed a decent percentage from NW and the other airlines just between Chicago and Minneapolis. Agreed. About 40% th
105 Cubsrule : Plenty of people within the Wright perimeter (and some outside of it, I presume) will choose to fly WN because they find DAL superior to DFW. I don't
106 EA CO AS : No, however odds are if they were already going to/from MSP they're likely with NW Worldperks already and may choose to build on that - especially co
107 Cubsrule : While I don't have any hard evidence to support this assertion, it seems to me that WN has more luck raising fares than most of its peers. They peppe
108 EA CO AS : It only seems that way because when one or more carriers raise fares, WN sometimes doesn't go along with a fare increase, so everyone rolls them back
109 Cubsrule : As I said, that is definitely NOT the case in St. Louis. I can't speak for other cities, though.
110 WA707atMSP : As has been discussed before, the main reason NW added their IND routes was to get Eli Lilly's global travel contract, which was previously held by U
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