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MEA Seeks Up To Eight 787s Or A350s  
User currently offlineBA From United States of America, joined May 2000, 11153 posts, RR: 59
Posted (5 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 5891 times:

Lebanon's national carrier, Middle East Airlines (MEA), is seeking up to eight 787s or A350s for delivery starting in 2017.

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Middle East Airlines has asked Airbus and Boeing to submit offers for the A350 XWB and 787 as part of the airline's long-haul fleet planning.

MEA's proposal covers five firm aircraft and three options, but delivery would not be until around 2017.

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El-Hout said that the airline could make a decision between the 787 and A350 by the end of 2009, or the beginning of 2010.

http://www.flightglobal.com/articles...eks-up-to-eight-787s-or-a350s.html

MEA placed an Airbus aircraft order in Fall 2006 for 4 A319-100s and 4 A330-200s. The A319 order was subsequently converted to A320-200s in Spring 2007 due to better delivery slot times as a result of easyJet's large A319 order. In Summer 2007, MEA exercised two options for the A320 increasing the order to six aircraft.

MEA received its first new A330-200 in June increasing MEA's fleet from 9 to 10 aircraft, 6 A321-200s and 4 A330-200s. The remaining three A330-200s will be delivered next year and will replace MEA's original three ILFC-leased A330s one-by-one with one returning in March, one in April, and one in May. These three ILFC-owned A330s will be taken up by Gulf Air.

MEA will receive its first A320-200 in January and will receive two more next year as well. The remaining three will be delivered in 2010. MEA also has two remaining options for 2011 deliveries and will make a decision on whether to exercise them or not sometime next year.

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MEA serves 26 destinations in the Middle East, Africa, and Europe and is seeking to be a SkyTeam associate member with sponsorship by Air France.


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User currently offlineFCKC From France, joined Nov 2004, 2348 posts, RR: 4
Reply 1, posted (5 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 5826 times:

I would be surprised this order goes to Boeing , since the very close association between MEA and Airbus.

User currently offlinePlanesNTrains From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 5590 posts, RR: 29
Reply 2, posted (5 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 5771 times:

They say honesty is the best policy, so I guess they'll get an offer from Boeing to keep Airbus honest.

-Dave



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User currently offlineBA From United States of America, joined May 2000, 11153 posts, RR: 59
Reply 3, posted (5 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 5708 times:



Quoting FCKC (Reply 1):
I would be surprised this order goes to Boeing , since the very close association between MEA and Airbus.

Perhaps, but don't forget that MEA operated Boeing aircraft for 30 years.

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User currently offlineFLYYUL From Italy, joined Jun 2000, 4983 posts, RR: 51
Reply 4, posted (5 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 5684 times:

is MEA banking on having North America open to them at some point?

User currently offlineBA From United States of America, joined May 2000, 11153 posts, RR: 59
Reply 5, posted (5 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 5600 times:



Quoting FLYYUL (Reply 4):
is MEA banking on having North America open to them at some point?

The present Airbus expansion from 9 to 16 aircraft by 2010 is aimed at increasing frequencies on existing markets as well as adding a couple new short and medium-haul destinations. Check this thread for more information:

MEA To Launch Moscow, Khartoum, Madrid, And Iraq (by BA Oct 3 2008 in Civil Aviation)

In regards to this future order for 787s or A350s, seeing how these aircraft are designed specifically for long-haul flights, I imagine MEA would like to reopen some long-haul routes with them so I am sure they are eying North America.



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User currently offlineFCKC From France, joined Nov 2004, 2348 posts, RR: 4
Reply 6, posted (5 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 5422 times:

BA

Yes of course i still remember the sight of their beautiful 720s , 707s and 747s at Orly , but at that time Airbus was not strong enough to propose planes for them.
Now time has changed and they are an all Airbus operator , and will not see them to add only one Boeing type to their small fleet.

I also remember to have seen near 10 planes (all Boeing types) patked at Orly during the war.
Probably the more beautiful looking plane they had , was the Convair990 , with the red tail.
Caravelle and Comet were also nice looking planes with the MEA scheme., without speaking of the Viscount............

Go MEA


User currently offlineBrightCedars From Belgium, joined Nov 2004, 1289 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (5 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 5399 times:

I beg to differ, I would believe that the B787 would be a better suited aircraft for MEA in terms of economics. The A350s are bigger models and with MEA sticking to the A330-200 rather than using the larger A330-300, we have a hint at their preferred way of practice. Also, but here enters the politics and influences game, the order could be pegged to the dropping of the ban on direct flights to the US. Not that I'm seeing MEA needing many aircraft with range to reach the US, as I don't expect them to open up neither Latin America nor the South Pacfic.

In any case, good to see MEA continue to think forward and good to see they are on the market for more large aircraft. Whatever manufacturer wins the deal, it's Lebanon and the Lebanese who will be the greatest winners, a heartwarming thought.



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User currently offlineBA From United States of America, joined May 2000, 11153 posts, RR: 59
Reply 8, posted (5 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 5089 times:



Quoting FCKC (Reply 6):
Now time has changed and they are an all Airbus operator , and will not see them to add only one Boeing type to their small fleet.

I disagree, brand loyalty is overrated. Besides, as BrightCedars pointed out, the A350 is a larger aircraft and may not be well suited for MEA. The 787-8 on the other hand is a very nicely sized aircraft comparable to the A330-200.

There are many airlines that operate fleets heavily dominant with one aircraft manufacturer, but have still ordered aircraft from the other. An example is KLM with the A330 and its history of having A310s. Qantas which is also a very loyal Boeing customer has A330s and now A380s.

Don't forget that Royal Jordanian, which is also a smaller airline, has ordered 787s despite currently having just an Airbus and Embraer fleet.

I remember reading an article a year ago in which MEA's Chairman, Mohammad El-Hout said that MEA is not specifically loyal to just Airbus and always considers aircraft from other manufacturers.



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User currently offlineBA From United States of America, joined May 2000, 11153 posts, RR: 59
Reply 9, posted (5 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 4792 times:

Just read that MEA is also negotiating with Bombardier for regional jets. I am assuming they're perhaps eying the upcoming CSeries? I guess CRJ700s or CRJ900s are also a possibility, especially if MEA wants deliveries sooner.


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User currently offlineBrightCedars From Belgium, joined Nov 2004, 1289 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (5 years 11 months 1 week 20 hours ago) and read 4558 times:



Quoting BA (Reply 9):
Just read that MEA is also negotiating with Bombardier for regional jets. I am assuming they're perhaps eying the upcoming CSeries? I guess CRJ700s or CRJ900s are also a possibility, especially if MEA wants deliveries sooner.

Makes sense of course! Would make the A319 less needed as the A320 is more effective and those little RJs aren't bad either.
Are we looking at ME boasting a fleet of near 20 units in the not too distant future? 6 A320s, 6 A321s, 4 A332s and now a few RJs?
What was ME's biggest fleet count so far in history?



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User currently offlineAviationbuff From India, joined Mar 2008, 1425 posts, RR: 3
Reply 11, posted (5 years 11 months 1 week 19 hours ago) and read 4516 times:



Quoting BA (Reply 9):
Just read that MEA is also negotiating with Bombardier for regional jets. I am assuming they're perhaps eying the upcoming CSeries? I guess CRJ700s or CRJ900s are also a possibility, especially if MEA wants deliveries sooner

Makes sense....

However, between B787 and A350 I feel that it will be a tight call as both have their pro's. Existing Airbus fleet can tilt in favor of A350 and B787 has the advantage of its size which suits MEA.


User currently offlineCHRISBA777ER From UK - England, joined Mar 2001, 5964 posts, RR: 62
Reply 12, posted (5 years 11 months 1 week 18 hours ago) and read 4468 times:

This one will be 788 all the way. Makes more sense than the A358 which i think is too big for them.

MIxed 788 / Airbus narrowbody fleet plus some E-jets makes a lot of sense.



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User currently offlineBA From United States of America, joined May 2000, 11153 posts, RR: 59
Reply 13, posted (5 years 11 months 1 week 12 hours ago) and read 4305 times:



Quoting BrightCedars (Reply 10):
Would make the A319 less needed as the A320 is more effective and those little RJs aren't bad either.

I am beginning to think the CSeries might actually be too big for MEA considering that it is closely sized to the A319/A320. I remember a few years ago, Mohammed El-Hout said MEA was considering 50-70 seat regional aircraft which makes the CRJ700/900 or the Embraer E Jets more likely.

I guess we'll have to wait and see.

MEA has two or three remaining Airbus options for 2011 deliveries. They could exercise them to be A319s like what the original order was supposed to be. An A319 would nicely fill the gap between the A320 and a future Bombardier or Embraer regional jet.

Quoting CHRISBA777ER (Reply 12):
This one will be 788 all the way. Makes more sense than the A358 which i think is too big for them.

I agree completely.



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User currently offlineMCOflyer From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 8677 posts, RR: 16
Reply 14, posted (5 years 11 months 1 week 11 hours ago) and read 4276 times:



Quoting CHRISBA777ER (Reply 12):
This one will be 788 all the way.

I to agree completely as the A350 is too big for their needs and wants. Had airbus offered a smaller version of the A350, I might bet on airbus getting this order. We shall see what happens.

Hunter



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User currently onlineFRNT787 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 1324 posts, RR: 15
Reply 15, posted (5 years 11 months 1 week 9 hours ago) and read 4190 times:



Quoting CHRISBA777ER (Reply 12):
This one will be 788 all the way. Makes more sense than the A358 which i think is too big for them.

MIxed 788 / Airbus narrowbody fleet plus some E-jets makes a lot of sense.

I have to agree with you. In my opinion the original A350-800 would have competed better due to the size (similar to 787-8) where as the A350XWB-800 is more similar to the 787-9.



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User currently offlineBA From United States of America, joined May 2000, 11153 posts, RR: 59
Reply 16, posted (5 years 11 months 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 4004 times:

MEA is very much fond of the A330-200's size. It's an ideally sized aircraft for its mission which is why it is so popular with many airlines.

This is why I also think the 787-8 will be the winner due to its comparative size to the A330-200.

In MEA's network, the only destination where an aircraft larger than the A330-200 would make sense is CDG, but MEA makes up for it with frequencies. Together with AF, there are three daily flights between Paris and Beirut (1x AF, 2x ME) and it's been reported a 4th daily is coming next year operated by AF.



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User currently offlineGoMEA From France, joined Jan 2004, 202 posts, RR: 7
Reply 17, posted (5 years 11 months 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 3851 times:

I totally agree with BA.

MEA should position itself as the gateway to the Levant and Gulf Region for its Skyteam partners.

Adding a fourth frequency with CDG could be useful. Therefore, they dont need anything larger than the A330, as they also provide equivalent service (contrary to EU/US carriers on narrowbodies) on the the A32x

I have so many people have trouble getting a seat on AF tiny A319ER Dedicate to RUH and JED.

By adding additional frequencies, they could increase their business by feeding the BEY hub.

and RJ jets make sense to:
increase rotations to CAI/IST/ATH/LCA
open thinner routes like CMN, ALG, TUS, MCT, BAH



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User currently offlineBrilondon From Canada, joined Aug 2005, 4252 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (5 years 11 months 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 3760 times:

They will probably go with the Airbus just 'cause.  Big grin

I would be willing to wager they will be adding more A330's in the near term, but for the long range they will probably go with the A350, but I don't see a huge order from them for any aircraft.



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User currently offlineRamzi From Canada, joined Oct 2006, 535 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (5 years 11 months 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 3704 times:



Quoting Brilondon (Reply 18):

I fairly agree with you. My money says they will exercise their A330 options, perhaps even order a few more. By 2017 they will have grown significantly and will be in need of larger aircraft, thus 8 A350s probably coming with services to Australia and other far easten destinations, and possibly even Sao Paolo or something of the sort. This thread is very logical today, but almost 10 years from now, at this rate, MEA is going to be quite far from where it is now, for starters the fleet is practically doubling between 2008 and 2010. And of course, no one expects a very big order, but frankly I expect the A330 option to be exercised as well as a few RJs to be ordered, as for the A350/787, I'll give my say in a year or so Big grin



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User currently offlineBurnsie28 From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 7546 posts, RR: 8
Reply 20, posted (5 years 11 months 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 3666 times:



Quoting FLYYUL (Reply 4):
is MEA banking on having North America open to them at some point?

Perhaps with a new adminstration, again a NEW  Wink administration that will hopefully come next year we will se a lot of changes and hopefully we are able to rid a lot of the rediculous policies that have come into play.



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User currently offlineRamzi From Canada, joined Oct 2006, 535 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (5 years 11 months 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 3639 times:



Quoting Burnsie28 (Reply 20):

That would be rather pleasant  Smile



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User currently offlineBA From United States of America, joined May 2000, 11153 posts, RR: 59
Reply 22, posted (5 years 11 months 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 3523 times:



Quoting GoMEA (Reply 17):
open thinner routes like CMN, ALG, TUS, MCT, BAH

By TUS, I assume you meant TUN. TUS is Tucson, AZ which sure is a long way from BEY.  Smile

Regarding new MEA destinations, check this thread:

MEA To Launch Moscow, Khartoum, Madrid, And Iraq (by BA Oct 3 2008 in Civil Aviation)

Quoting Ramzi (Reply 19):
My money says they will exercise their A330 options, perhaps even order a few more.

MEA doesn't have any A330 options, just A320 options for 2011 deliveries.

What appeared to be a 5th A330 on order looks like was just a production slot swap. MEA's last A330-200 was originally supposed to be MSN 996 but now will be MSN 998.

You can check the latest A330/A340 production list here, it's from a third party source but the most accurate and updated one I've found:
http://www.planelist.net/airbus-330.zip

The final decision between the 787 and A350 will be made late next year or early 2010.



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User currently offlineRamzi From Canada, joined Oct 2006, 535 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (5 years 11 months 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 3418 times:



Quoting BA (Reply 22):
What appeared to be a 5th A330 on order

That's a bummer. In that case it's less likely they will add more A330s in the near future. Still, I strongly believe the widebody order will go to the A350.



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