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User currently offlineLipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11416 posts, RR: 59
Posted (5 years 9 months 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 5421 times:
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Not to begin a lot of discussions i'm trying to keep them together,

So.....

1) Effective Nov/09

* Miami got First Class Service
GRU-MIA (and GRU-SSA-MIA) will use 2 A330-200 with 4F 36C 183Y (lie flat business seat)
- It's a few less C seats giving the fact TAM already added 30 more business seats on GIG-MIA and now F returns to MIA market.

2) Second M11 to leave the fleet by Nov/04
* CDG "mix"

GRU-GIG-CDG continues 2 A330-200 42C 171Y
* Now includes a real tag on GRU-GIG-GRU
GRU-CDG late night will offer First Class service 2 A330-200 with 7F 30C 171Y
GRU-CDG early night will run 1 A330-200 42C 171Y + 1 M11

3) 1 EZE flight upgraded to A330-200

Effective Nov 09
* JJ8000 GRU-EZE and JJ8019 EZE-GRU runs with A330-200 with 42C 171Y

4) SCL upgraded to 77W

* Daily effective Nov 15
Until Nov 15:

Oct 26 and 31
Nov 01/02/04/06/07/08/09/10/11/13/14
operated by B77W

Other days : A330

5) Additional infos

a)
First 02 flights GIG-JFK
Nov/01 28/30C sold
Nov/02 24/30C sold

b)
PT-MVP (new A330-200)
To be received by Oct/30

[Edited 2008-10-23 15:01:18]


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User currently offlineTonytifao From Brazil, joined Mar 2005, 1014 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (5 years 9 months 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 5364 times:

great news Felipe. Thanks for the info!

Tony


User currently offlineCastropRauxel From Germany, joined Sep 2008, 467 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (5 years 9 months 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 5215 times:

Now with STAR behind them, JJ are gonna kick some south-american asses. great news.

User currently offlineLipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11416 posts, RR: 59
Reply 3, posted (5 years 9 months 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 5198 times:
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Quoting CastropRauxel (Reply 2):
Now with STAR behind them, JJ are gonna kick some south-american asses. great news.

Hope they improve in some issues like their ground service and take a look on what other carriers offers (like LA) as Premium seats.



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User currently offlineAvianca From Venezuela, joined Jan 2005, 5922 posts, RR: 40
Reply 4, posted (5 years 9 months 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 5152 times:

any news regarding CCS ? I heard they will upgrade the route to 777 and fligh following schedule

GRU-CCS-MIA-CCS-GRU

is this true?



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User currently offlineAF022 From France, joined Dec 2003, 2147 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (5 years 9 months 6 days ago) and read 5115 times:

Where is the A345 deployed? Have they managed to find a route that will make any money? I never understood how the economics of this plane would work for TAM.

User currently offlineLipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11416 posts, RR: 59
Reply 6, posted (5 years 9 months 6 days ago) and read 5097 times:
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Quoting Avianca (Reply 4):
any news regarding CCS ? I heard they will upgrade the route to 777 and fligh following schedule

GRU-CCS-MIA-CCS-GRU

is this true?

Avianca i doubt considering FRA will got 2 and LHR another 2 frames. What do i expect to CCS is an upgrade to A330 in the near future.

Quoting AF022 (Reply 5):
Where is the A345 deployed? Have they managed to find a route that will make any money? I never understood how the economics of this plane would work for TAM.

Currently 1 to FRA and 1 to MXP.
They used them on FRA and let me tell you, the route performs very well because of high fares and good cargo loads. Is it a cash cow ? i don't think so, but it's profitable.



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User currently offlineAlitaliaMD11 From Spain, joined Dec 2003, 4068 posts, RR: 13
Reply 7, posted (5 years 9 months 6 days ago) and read 5084 times:

Regarding the A340-500... I noticed PT-MSN was shipped off to VIE on the 12th of October for some MX work. When the aircraft returns to service will it be repainted into the new livery?

Quoting LipeGIG (Thread starter):
PT-MVP (new A330-200)
To be received by Oct/30

Will this aircraft be positioned on the GIG-JFK route as an upgrade to the 767-300?



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User currently offlineAvianca From Venezuela, joined Jan 2005, 5922 posts, RR: 40
Reply 8, posted (5 years 9 months 6 days ago) and read 5083 times:



Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 6):
Avianca i doubt considering FRA will got 2 and LHR another 2 frames. What do i expect to CCS is an upgrade to A330 in the near future.

Well I have also my doubts, but this is what I heard from local JJ cargo representation...



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User currently offlineLipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11416 posts, RR: 59
Reply 9, posted (5 years 9 months 6 days ago) and read 5068 times:
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Quoting AlitaliaMD11 (Reply 7):
Will this aircraft be positioned on the GIG-JFK route as an upgrade to the 767-300?

No, this aircraft will allow MAD-GRU to become overnight flight. GIG-JFK upgrade is expected only for 2009.

Quoting AlitaliaMD11 (Reply 7):
Regarding the A340-500... I noticed PT-MSN was shipped off to VIE on the 12th of October for some MX work. When the aircraft returns to service will it be repainted into the new livery?

And the other A345 will be the next. I didn't heard comments about A345 with new livery but if they are on a C Check, it's likely.



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User currently offlineC010T3 From Brazil, joined Jul 2006, 3681 posts, RR: 19
Reply 10, posted (5 years 9 months 6 days ago) and read 5062 times:



Quoting AlitaliaMD11 (Reply 7):
Will this aircraft be positioned on the GIG-JFK route as an upgrade to the 767-300?

I hope not. Apparently, the old Alitalia C seats are more comfortable than TAM's new sliding ones.


User currently offlineLipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11416 posts, RR: 59
Reply 11, posted (5 years 9 months 6 days ago) and read 5056 times:
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Quoting Avianca (Reply 8):
Well I have also my doubts, but this is what I heard from local JJ cargo representation...

Well, in the end my friend, i doubt Venezuela would give such traffic rights to TAM. But who knows ?



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User currently offlineHardiwv From Brazil, joined Oct 2004, 8780 posts, RR: 50
Reply 12, posted (5 years 9 months 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 4805 times:

Thanks for providing consolidated information on TAM network and fleet deployment.

Quoting LipeGIG (Thread starter):
3) 1 EZE flight upgraded to A330-200

Effective Nov 09
* JJ8000 GRU-EZE and JJ8019 EZE-GRU runs with A330-200 with 42C 171Y

4) SCL upgraded to 77W

* Daily effective Nov 15
Until Nov 15:

This is indeed good news. SCL is a solid market and deserves the B77W, especially now with the full codeshare between LAN and TAM.

EZE was long asking for a widebody operation in one of the daily flights to GRU. Now with all AR problem it is time for TAM to expand in the Argentinian market.

Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 6):
Avianca i doubt considering FRA will got 2 and LHR another 2 frames. What do i expect to CCS is an upgrade to A330 in the near future.

I personally expect CCS to be operated nonstop to GRU with the A320 and in a different, more convenient schedule.

Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 9):
And the other A345 will be the next. I didn't heard comments about A345 with new livery but if they are on a C Check, it's likely.



Quoting AF022 (Reply 5):
Where is the A345 deployed? Have they managed to find a route that will make any money? I never understood how the economics of this plane would work for TAM.

You may note that with oil prices down and below USD70 the economics of flying the A345 has changed. And then there is the speculation of JNB nonstop services. SA just announced the A346 back to GRU seasonally.

Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 11):
Well, in the end my friend, i doubt Venezuela would give such traffic rights to TAM. But who knows ?

It has given, Lipe. The new bilateral with Venezuela allows for flights from CCS to MIA with 5th freedom rights. This entails that TAM may fly GRU-CCS-MIA.

Quoting LipeGIG (Thread starter):
First 02 flights GIG-JFK
Nov/01 28/30C sold
Nov/02 24/30C sold

Excellent start for TAM's GIG-JFK!

Rgs,


User currently offlineRobffm2 From Germany, joined Dec 2006, 1115 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (5 years 9 months 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 4742 times:



Quoting LipeGIG (Thread starter):
4) SCL upgraded to 77W
* Daily effective Nov 15

Great to see that JJ found a good use for the 77W during the waiting time in GRU.
I believe the plane arrives from FRA at 04:55 before leaving again at 23:35.

What are the planned times for the SCL trips?


User currently offlineLipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11416 posts, RR: 59
Reply 14, posted (5 years 9 months 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 4610 times:
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Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 11):
Well, in the end my friend, i doubt Venezuela would give such traffic rights to TAM. But who knows ?

I review this info later yesterday, and as per Hardi comments, yes, they got the rights.

Quoting Hardiwv (Reply 12):
EZE was long asking for a widebody operation in one of the daily flights to GRU. Now with all AR problem it is time for TAM to expand in the Argentinian market.

Yes, in fact TAM is looking to offer more Business seats for EZE market to improve connectivity thru GRU. I'ts expected a 767 service GIG-EZE during the Brazilian summer.

Quoting Hardiwv (Reply 12):
I personally expect CCS to be operated nonstop to GRU with the A320 and in a different, more convenient schedule.

I do think that the A320 on a GRU-CCS will face restrictions as it's a very long flight. Even the 738 need a technical stops sometimes.

Quoting Hardiwv (Reply 12):
It has given, Lipe. The new bilateral with Venezuela allows for flights from CCS to MIA with 5th freedom rights. This entails that TAM may fly GRU-CCS-MIA.

You're right i take a look on the bilateral yesterday at night. Half of the 21 frequencies has 5th freedom rights for a possible flight to MIA.

Quoting Robffm2 (Reply 13):
What are the planned times for the SCL trips?

TAM8026 GRU 0845 SCL 1135
TAM8027 SCL 1255 GRU 1730



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User currently offlineAvianca From Venezuela, joined Jan 2005, 5922 posts, RR: 40
Reply 15, posted (5 years 9 months 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 4550 times:



Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 14):
You're right i take a look on the bilateral yesterday at night. Half of the 21 frequencies has 5th freedom rights for a possible flight to MIA.

great news! as per my JJ contact they are already willing to start flights in December - but they are still looking for the aircraft - as per my understanding it should be a 777...

I am sure they would do great on the route - specially with local CCS-MIA-CCS traffic - cargo and passenger wise - yields are not bad on the route.



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User currently offlineHardiwv From Brazil, joined Oct 2004, 8780 posts, RR: 50
Reply 16, posted (5 years 9 months 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 4543 times:



Quoting Avianca (Reply 15):
great news! as per my JJ contact they are already willing to start flights in December - but they are still looking for the aircraft - as per my understanding it should be a 777...

I am sure they would do great on the route - specially with local CCS-MIA-CCS traffic - cargo and passenger wise - yields are not bad on the route.

This would be a very interesting development. But I never heard of anything related to TAM trying to get another B777. Perhaps TAM will deploy one the B767 instead?

Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 14):
Yes, in fact TAM is looking to offer more Business seats for EZE market to improve connectivity thru GRU. I'ts expected a 767 service GIG-EZE during the Brazilian summer.

Agreed, another strong route needing more capacity is GIG-EZE one of AR's best performing routes.

Rgs,


User currently offlineC010T3 From Brazil, joined Jul 2006, 3681 posts, RR: 19
Reply 17, posted (5 years 9 months 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 4476 times:



Quoting Hardiwv (Reply 16):
This would be a very interesting development. But I never heard of anything related to TAM trying to get another B777. Perhaps TAM will deploy one the B767 instead?

That would be really odd. I do think that they could go for the 763, but the 332 is also an option. With the crisis, I really don't think that they will expand the fleet even further. They will have a pair of unassigned 332 next year, so they could go for it with what they have.


User currently offlineLipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11416 posts, RR: 59
Reply 18, posted (5 years 9 months 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 4247 times:
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Quoting Avianca (Reply 15):
great news! as per my JJ contact they are already willing to start flights in December - but they are still looking for the aircraft - as per my understanding it should be a 777...

I am sure they would do great on the route - specially with local CCS-MIA-CCS traffic - cargo and passenger wise - yields are not bad on the route.

I don't think they will use the 777 as it's scheduled for FRA (in use) and LHR, and seems to be an extremely big upgrade from A32A (156 pax) to B77W (365 pax). B763 and A332 makes more sense.
One thing is clear, MAO stop is on it's final days.

Quoting Hardiwv (Reply 16):
This would be a very interesting development. But I never heard of anything related to TAM trying to get another B777. Perhaps TAM will deploy one the B767 instead?

It could a 767 considering rumors about A332 on GIG-JFK (considering strong advance bookings on C, make a lot of sense) and one 767 will be released. But the 767 is also considered for more (3x SSA-MIA) and the new 3x weekly BSB-MIA.

Quoting C010T3 (Reply 17):
That would be really odd. I do think that they could go for the 763, but the 332 is also an option. With the crisis, I really don't think that they will expand the fleet even further. They will have a pair of unassigned 332 next year, so they could go for it with what they have.

The 763 is a good "entry-level" for TAM considering the increase on C offer from 12 (A32A) to 30 (B763). If the market show strong bookings on both legs (GIG-GRU-CCS and CCS-MIA) then they can upgrade to a 36C or 42C A332.



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User currently offlineC010T3 From Brazil, joined Jul 2006, 3681 posts, RR: 19
Reply 19, posted (5 years 9 months 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 4062 times:



Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 18):
The 763 is a good "entry-level" for TAM considering the increase on C offer from 12 (A32A) to 30 (B763). If the market show strong bookings on both legs (GIG-GRU-CCS and CCS-MIA) then they can upgrade to a 36C or 42C A332.

Perhaps they will start a rotation with MCO. GRU-CCS-MIA-MCO-GRU and GRU-MCO-MIA-CCS-GRU.


User currently offlineJmbarros12 From Brazil, joined Nov 2007, 249 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (5 years 9 months 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 3956 times:



Quoting LipeGIG (Thread starter):
4) SCL upgraded to 77W

Really?

How come SCL became one of the best performers on TAM´s network?

Is it based on business traffic?

Joao Barros



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User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32604 posts, RR: 72
Reply 21, posted (5 years 9 months 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 3942 times:

Flying MIA-CCS would be very smart for TAM right now. Because Venezuela and the U.S. aren't the best friends right now, there has been a stop on growth in the U.S.-Venezuela travel market. Neither country is allowing airlines from the other country to add flights. However, third country airlines are allowed to add flights.

At a time when Miami-Venezuela traffic has exploded by more than 35%, the market is in desperate need for more capacity that isn't allowed to be added.



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User currently offlineHardiwv From Brazil, joined Oct 2004, 8780 posts, RR: 50
Reply 22, posted (5 years 9 months 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 3594 times:



Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 21):
Flying MIA-CCS would be very smart for TAM right now. Because Venezuela and the U.S. aren't the best friends right now, there has been a stop on growth in the U.S.-Venezuela travel market. Neither country is allowing airlines from the other country to add flights. However, third country airlines are allowed to add flights.

At a time when Miami-Venezuela traffic has exploded by more than 35%, the market is in desperate need for more capacity that isn't allowed to be added.

Agree 100%. Also considering the anti-American sentiment in Venezuela and the lack of proper competition, TAM would manage to capture a very interesting market here.

Quoting C010T3 (Reply 19):
Perhaps they will start a rotation with MCO. GRU-CCS-MIA-MCO-GRU and GRU-MCO-MIA-CCS-GRU.

I would rather consider a rotation like GRU-CCS-MIA-CCS-GRU. If MCO does not perform well, then TAM could combine MIA-MCO in one route but TAM usually does not operate tag-on flights.

Quoting Jmbarros12 (Reply 20):
Really?

How come SCL became one of the best performers on TAM´s network?

Is it based on business traffic?

SCL is an excellent market for both yields, loads and also cargo. There is strong tourism (Chileans seeking beach and Brazilians seeking snow) and significant investment and trade between both countries. Last but not least, TAM and LAN have a full codeshare agreement.

It is enough to say that currently you have 7 daily direct flights GRU-SCL, 6 of which are nonstop: 3 x LA (2 x B763 + 1 x A320), 1 x TAM (A330), 1 x LX (A343), 1 x RG (B738), and 1 x G3 (B738) via EZE.

Rgs,


User currently offlineLipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11416 posts, RR: 59
Reply 23, posted (5 years 9 months 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 3545 times:
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Quoting Jmbarros12 (Reply 20):
How come SCL became one of the best performers on TAM´s network?

Cargo and Business Traffic. TAM has the best coverage of Brazil and take advantage of this even with only one daily flight.

Quoting Jmbarros12 (Reply 20):
Is it based on business traffic?

Leisure also, but in a small stake.

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 21):
Flying MIA-CCS would be very smart for TAM right now. Because Venezuela and the U.S. aren't the best friends right now, there has been a stop on growth in the U.S.-Venezuela travel market. Neither country is allowing airlines from the other country to add flights. However, third country airlines are allowed to add flights.


Considering current condition, yes, it's a very smart move. But we all know how Venezuela Government change rules from time to time.



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User currently offlineLipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11416 posts, RR: 59
Reply 24, posted (5 years 9 months 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 3516 times:
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Quoting Hardiwv (Reply 22):
I would rather consider a rotation like GRU-CCS-MIA-CCS-GRU. If MCO does not perform well, then TAM could combine MIA-MCO in one route but TAM usually does not operate tag-on flights.

TAM expectation for MCO is a 95% load.
Wednesday on ABAV they mention that expectation for MCO is the best possible and advance bookings are doing well.
TAM and Orlando together organized a big stand on ABAV (which is the largest tourism fair in Brazil)



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25 C010T3 : I know, but I was considering that option, because it would allow GRU-MCO to become an overnight flight both ways, not to mention the feed it could p
26 LipeGIG : MCO does not demand 2 planes. With one it's a very interesting flight, the second one would demand less leisure and more business.
27 MAH4546 : The anti-American sentiment certainly doesn't exist on those who are flying to Miami. AA is at zero disadvantage in Venezuela as a brand. Why add mor
28 LipeGIG : Because it's a major station for TAM, their largest market in Northeast. in my view they should focus on a daily BSB-MIA or CNF-MIA CNF demands at le
29 C010T3 : I am aware of that, but it may become hard to schedule the flights in order to make the flight attractive to all stations and at the same time maximi
30 LipeGIG : Well, considering current offer to MIA, does not make sense to expect Northeast, North and even places like GIG to feed this flight (except for youth
31 Hardiwv : I agree and find interesting the development regarding MCO, especially if you take into account the current devaluation of the Real. I agree that the
32 LipeGIG : Brasilia would be an important market at least until they got a non-stop to MIA. The key factor is that any connection that takes more than 4 hours m
33 LVZXV : Interesting developments Lipe, good for TAM! Do you know which MD-11 will be leaving on 04-11-'08? And in the light of the all the changes, could you
34 LipeGIG : PT-MSH Let me see... 14.12 - JJ8000 GRU-EZE changed to A330-200 19.12 - JJ8019 EZE-GRU changed to A330-200 21.12 - remains the same 06.01 - remains t
35 Hardiwv : Hola, Maximo! Same day return trip to GRU? I hope you dont get stuck in the traffic! Rgs,
36 LVZXV : Obrigado Lipe, could you let me know if PT-MSJ is returned before 13/12? Also, would an EQP change screw-up the seats allocated to pax who (like me)
37 LipeGIG : Well, aircraft change in this scenario (i know M11 lovers would complain) for mostly people is in fact an upgrade, but considering the M11 carry more
38 LVZXV : I love how so many people consider IFE "new" planes more important than getting to your destination quicker. I am not an MD-11 lover per se, but a ma
39 LipeGIG : In my view CDG would be the right place for the 77W considering they might reduce from 3 daily to 77W from GRU + A332 from GIG. With this TAM would r
40 Hardiwv : But apparently TAM does not want to decrease frequencies or capacity to CDG. Lets see whether the airline can keep its aggressive position in CDG whi
41 LipeGIG : In fact they will reduce in less than 45 seats per day the offer to CDG which continues to show 75%-80% loads in average. But the question is without
42 Hardiwv : Correct, Lipe. But on the other you have to keep in mind that AF-TAM agreement is very limited ranging from a limited number of destinations inside E
43 LipeGIG : Hardi, i saw two times the bag claim at CDG, all times from GIG one of them together with one GRU flight. The last one i saw around 60/80 people (GIG
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