Mudboy From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 1167 posts, RR: 5 Posted (5 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 9932 times:
Since I have started working overseas I have flown on several different carriers, all of which had PTVs in coach. Correct me if I am wrong, but Delta seems to be the only one that has not made this change? I am speaking on their 767s, I know the 777s all have it. Are there any plans to upgrade their fleet with PVTs? Thoughts anyone? I hope everyone has a great weekend and stays safe.
PA101 From Germany, joined Jan 2005, 491 posts, RR: 1 Reply 3, posted (5 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 9838 times:
Quoting Mudboy (Thread starter): Since I have started working overseas I have flown on several different carriers, all of which had PTVs in coach. Correct me if I am wrong, but Delta seems to be the only one that has not made this change?
Have you flown LH yet? None of their 744s and hardly any of their A343s have PTVs in coach...
Delta did the math and realized that it was less weight if everyone brought a book on board than to install PTVs in every seat. Seriously, why does everyone need IFE? If you really want to be entertained, just take a look at the people sitting around you, or (gasp!) you could feed your mind and read. How novel! (no pun intended)
MaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 16493 posts, RR: 48 Reply 12, posted (5 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 9350 times:
Quoting Web (Reply 15): Seriously, why does everyone need IFE?
I still contend that IFE in Y does not matter. Even Transatlantic--the extra costs/weight don't outweigh the extra revenue you don't even get for the IFE, unless there's a charge to use it of course. It's very nice to have as a passenger, but the passenger is not willing to pay a premium for it.
Qqflyboy From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 2221 posts, RR: 14 Reply 13, posted (5 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 9346 times:
I hate saying it, but my airline hardly has PTVs at all. Out of a fleet of ~650 a/c, only 47 have them -- the 777s. Pathetic, I know. Who could I be talking about? AA of course. There are no plans to add them to any of the 767s (2s or 3s), nor are there plans to add them to the 757s (which fly a lot of transcons, and soon TATL). 737? Yeah, right.
I guess, on the flip side, AA plans to add wifi on all MD-80s, 757s and 737s. That should passify those with their own wifi enabled devices. Still, it won't help those on the 763. Bummer.
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Airbazar From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 7459 posts, RR: 11 Reply 14, posted (5 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 9342 times:
Quoting Web (Reply 15): Delta did the math and realized that it was less weight if everyone brought a book on board than to install PTVs in every seat. Seriously, why does everyone need IFE? If you really want to be entertained, just take a look at the people sitting around you, or (gasp!) you could feed your mind and read. How novel! (no pun intended)
I sort of shared the same opinion until I started traveling with little kids. Not for the kids or the parents themselves but for the sake of the passengers around them, PTV's are a blessing in disguise My kid will sit in his seat watching movies for an 8 hour flight and you won't hear a peep or barely a blink coming from his seat. I understand that parents could bring a laptop or portable DVD player but most don't and if you have more than 1 kid it's really not fair to expect each kid to have its own device. I also understand that most passengers don't travel with kids but you can't control who's going to be seating around you on an 8 hour flight and how well they will handle being stuck in a metal tube for that long. So even though I couldn't care less about PTV's myself, when I travel, either alone or with the family, I will gladly pay more to fly on a plane with PTVs. That's just my opinion.
FlyDreamliner From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 2759 posts, RR: 15 Reply 16, posted (5 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 9217 times:
I love all of these people who say "Do we really need PTVs in every seat? We don't need PTVs." You might not need them but enough people really prefer them that they make sense. I prefer them if for nothing other than the map, and to have the option to just sit back if my eyes get tired from reading. My fiancee bores easily and can't sleep on airplanes, so for her, being without a PTV on a trans-oceanic flight is a big deal, and I suspect there are enough people like her (who book trips around having the PTV) for it to make sense. For instance, I might like the food and service on LH, but if it's the 744 or 343, then we're taking the UA flight for the TVs, haha.
DL is way behind on putting these on the 767s, and honestly, I think they really lack excuses. Airlines post 2010 without them are unqualifiably behind the times. Yeah, you don't NEED audio, movies, PTVs, drink service, food service, pre-selected seating, recline, window shades, or much else, but not everyone prefers flying Ryanair. Some of us prefer to enjoy the flight, and every amenity is a good one.
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Acey559 From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 1448 posts, RR: 2 Reply 17, posted (5 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 9125 times:
Isn't one of the reasons they aren't installed on the 767s because DL really pushes many 767s to the edge of the envelope in terms of range, and it would be next to impossible to fly many of the routes they do with the added weight of IFE? I remember reading that on here at one point a while ago but it would be impossible to search for because this subject comes up so damn often.
AM001 From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 221 posts, RR: 5 Reply 20, posted (5 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 8644 times:
Try this for a disappointment:
EWR - CDG (9+ hrs) on a 777, PTVs...
CDG - EWR, same thing back...
LAS - ATL (4+ hrs) in a domestic 767-2, configured a la Song, with PTVs...
ATL - ATH (12+ hrs) in a 767-2, no ptvs, two movies, bunch of other "entertainment" programming repeating itself to exhaustion...
ATH - ATL, same thing.
ATL - LAS (4+ hrs) in a domestic 757, with PTVs...
As much as I understand weight and balance issues, in this day and age, how to make excuses for IFE that resembles that on a DC-10, 25 years ago...
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Azjubilee From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 3630 posts, RR: 29 Reply 22, posted (5 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 8516 times:
Do you expect Delta to park all the 767s one night and install TVs? DL is a massive airline and it will take lots of TIME to completely refurbish the fleet with the new seats and PTVs. This is true for all airlines. Relax, it isn't the end of the world.
Bloodyrascal From Bahamas, joined Mar 2007, 191 posts, RR: 0 Reply 23, posted (5 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 8392 times:
people be greatfull that airlinhes are offering what they offer. It is not their responsibility to entertain you. This is just something some airlines added to make it more enjoyable for the passengers. I am pretty sure we can all survive without a ptv for a flight that is 8 hours. If you dont read then SLEEP for the whole flight. That way you would not feel jetlagged afterwads
And I would equally contend that the same applies to J. I mean, we hear so much here on a.net about 'business travellers' using their 'valuable' time to get work done and be productive......why would IFE be needed?
25 Mudboy: This is exactly what I am talking about. I was actually thinking of doing the ATH-JFK on Delta, but I think you just changed my mind! I will pay more
26 OA412: Apparently the issue of PTVs on the 763's is to be addressed when they install the cozy suites beginning in 2010. Slight correction but JFK-ATH is cl
27 YULWinterSkies: yes but it's a "plus". On comparable airfares I'd probably go for the one with the PTV. Unless high quality of service compensates, but in general, g
28 CV880: Perhaps DL will address this problem with use of the A332 on some routes until the 763ER's are overhauled? Regardless of what CO or UA have, DL still
29 Bobnwa: Yes but that would mean a route that formerly had the PTV would not have it. With that being said, a PTV is nice but hardly a decision maker for me i
30 Evan767: ATH-JFK 10:45 including ground time JFK-ATH 9:55 including ground time
31 1337Delta764: Also, don't forget about the ex-TWA ETOPS 757s, which now all have AVOD at every seat. Not quite. The CRTs and projectors have been replaced by LCDs.
32 MD80Nut: Hear, hear! Last month when flying back to MIA from EZE in an AA 777 there were 3 very hyper children with their parents seated across the aisle from
33 DL757FAN: Is there two seating layouts for the AA/TW ETOPS 757 DL acquired? I noticed that the 757s going from LAX-Hawaii have a different seating layout (22/J
34 TomFoolery: There seems to be a quiet minority of anti PTV folks around here. I find it a bit of a low shot to assert that because someone has a preference to fl
35 CV880: The Hawaii trips are not avod/ptv equipped if they are 22F. These aircraft are ex-ATA(TZ).
36 FlyDreamliner: Or maybe she just bores? Some people can stare out the window or read a book for 10 straight hours, others are just more active, and like to change a
37 STT757: CO's 767-200s were delivered new in 2000 and 2001 with PTVs, as well as 777 style interiors.
38 Evan767: Extremely well put. Covered many points including the one about looking out of the window from the middle seat of a US 762.
39 IrishAyes: Easier said than done. Have you ever flown on two 10 hour flights back to back? I.E. from LAX to FRA and then FRA to Hyderabad? Or something like ORD
40 Gulfstream650: I would gladly give DL 100,000 miles per year of my own business if they provided a 21th century product - but they don't. Until they do I remail an A
41 Evan767: Delta doesn't provide a 21st century product on 13% of their planes, that is, their 763ER's, if you don't call all-leather seats, upgraded flat scree
42 AlexA340B777: Yeah, it is just so much nicer to have a map in front of you and knowing where you are flying! When flying longer distances over the ocean, where the
43 CV880: According to AA's website, it appears that the only installed avod on AA are the 777's, and the other aircraft use portable units which are complimen
44 1337Delta764: Delta actually isn't the only airline with IFE on MD-90s. I know that Saudia has IFE on their MD-90s, and I think JAL does as well. China Southern's
45 IrishAyes: LAN offers IFE on all of their aircraft. Amazing.
46 TJCAB: Not only that but all their 767-200's (and obviously -400's) have the new interior (777 style). Very nice
47 FlyDeltaJets: Only one layout for the 75E aka ex- AA 757's. I think it boils down to this the only plane that we send across the great blue yonder is the 767-300ER
48 LXA340: DL is not putting any PTV's into their Intercontinental fleet of B763ER's as due to the extra weight would restrict them to destinations such as ATH,
49 Airbazar: I would be curious to see what the added weight of PTVs is vs. all the extra crap people bring on board in order to stay entertained on a long flight
50 FlyDreamliner: So true. Reading for fifteen hours doesn't work. Some people simply cannot sleep on an airplane (in Y, in a 31" pitch seat, in the upright position,
51 LXA340: Well I don't believe in it really either but I think this was an offical statement of DL, obivously it's due to cost restrictions
52 SSTsomeday: On long flights I may snooze, I may read, I may get some work done, but I also like the opportunity to be distracted from how crammed and uncomfortab
53 WorldTraveler: let's also note that DL is delivering the best financial results of any US network airline. While I believe PTVs are necessary in today's environment,
54 FlyDreamliner: Delivering best results any given quarter has very little meaning in the tumultuous airline industry. Delivering the best results averaged over many
55 Luv2cattlecall: As someone with ADHD, I can certainly tell you that the thought of reading anything longer than a magazine articles sends chills down my back. I thin
56 Rwy04LGA: Is that the century with Duck Dodgers?
57 WorldTraveler: that IS the sole reason airlines in the western world exist because they are owned by stockholders and do not receive government operational support.
58 Kappel: I know KL doesn't. But only their 744's don't have PTV's (yet). The MD11's are in the process of being fitted with PTV's. Nope, that was the 24th1/2
59 SSTsomeday: Well that's surprising. That must mean they intend to keep them for a while? I would have thought that the MD-11 is one of the least economical wide-
60 Airbazar: I'd say its true that most of today's customers don't know any better but I'd also say it's a mistake to assume that customers won't figure it out so
61 FlyDreamliner: Well, there is only so much I can do on airplane, maybe if I were in one of those new SQ flying hotel rooms they have in the A380... All joking aside
62 Alitalia744: Again, like the many conversations that happen about Delta and PTVs on their 767s. -The lack of PTVs isn't a current hurdle for Delta filling 767s ac
63 1337Delta764: I don't think the current seats on NW's 744s can support PTVs, so I assume that they will get new seats (most likely the Thompson Cozy Suites). This
64 FlyDreamliner: Nope, they won't happen overnight. I think the point of the forum is to acknowledge that DL has an issue, and to affirm our hope that they actually d
65 1337Delta764: If DL goes with the Weber 5751, then they should at least have winged headrests. Out of Delta's aircraft that have the Weber 5751 seats (73W, 738, ET
66 BAW716: LH is installing PTVs in all its A333s. As for its A343s and 744s; I believe that they will be coming out of the fleet once the A380 and the 748 ente
67 TomFoolery: I agree with you that LHR is one of the deciding factors to avoid BA (And VS), and while I dont always go for the lowest fare, I don't really need an
68 Kappel: The MD11 will stay at least until 2012. The retirement of the MD11 fleet will start in 2012-2015. KL is indeed one of two carriers operating the MD11
69 Viscount724: KL's first two MD-11s were delivered before AY's last MD-11. KL delivery dates: 1993 -1 1994 - 5 1995 - 3 1997 - 1
70 Evan767: Wow, what a long discussion about PTV's. Perhaps instead of offering PTV's Delta should offer a selection of two pills for your entertainment: A) Ambi
71 Luv2cattlecall: They should talk to FL for another idea....if you remember, an AirTran FA asked the mom of a kid who was climbing under seats "Haven't you ever heard