Dakota From Netherlands, joined Feb 2000, 147 posts, RR: 0 Posted (5 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 2509 times:
Does anyone knows where the fifth 747-400 of Oasis Hong Kong has gone? At pictures published here: http://www.luchtvaartnieuws.nl/news/?id=28258 it looks like 4 of them are stored at Victorville, but i believe there was also fifth one. Or was it not delivered before they shut down operations?
RicciPettit From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 1, posted (5 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 2493 times:
I love that livery. Such a shame.
I'm sure I saw a picture of four Oasis 744s parked in a semicircle, nose to nose, at HKG, so it may be they only had acquired 4 into service by the end of operations. I'm interested to know if there was a 5th and what became of it...
MEA-707 From Netherlands, joined Nov 1999, 4210 posts, RR: 36 Reply 3, posted (5 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 2350 times:
Quoting FCKC (Reply 2): flights were full.Was the price of the ticket too low to make money ?
That was indeed their biggest problem in a nutshell. They only aimed at the lower end passengers who typically paid 200-500 euro one way for an 11 hr flight from HKG to LGW and YVR, as anyone who was willing to pay more would choose CX, AC, BA, VS and others instead, and get mileage, connections, better backup in case of cancelled flights etc. The model could work with low fuel and lack of capacity of the FSCs, but the ASM cost of a 747-400 is quite high, even with $65 fuel. The CXs and BAs of the world can compensate low yield seats in the back with high first class and full economy rates but Oasis didn't have much passengers who would pay more then rockbottom fares.
Only a few LCC airlines tried long haul flights so far, Zoom, Oasis and Phuket Air are some examples, most failed. Only Air Asia X is still running, but we have to see how things work out when they get tons of A-330s.
nobody has ever died from hard work, but why take the risk?
Yeah, its sad to loose that. The best airplane in one of the best liveries, gone.
I think I read that the 5th one, ex ANA, to become B-LFE but never actually delivered (and definitely not yet painted) is being converted to freigher and is either in Xiamen or Tel Aviv (last report was that it was seen at "SZB", wherever that is).
The single es MAS 744 which wore Oasis colours for some testflights but due to a disagreement about leasing rates went to AI eventually, was returned to its owner Wells Fargo (which also own the all 4 Oasis aircraft stored at VCV) last month, as stated above.
Cloudyapple From Hong Kong, joined Jul 2005, 2447 posts, RR: 9 Reply 5, posted (5 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 2131 times:
Quoting FCKC (Reply 2): A 6th was involved , B-LFE , Ex ANA (JA403A) , which is now N262SG.
Not sure this one has been painted in Oasis cs.
Up until its retirement from the ANA fleet, JA403A was flying almost daily between Narita and Hong Kong. Last I heard it went to Guangzhou but Oasis flopped while it was being prepared for delivery. It's never been seen in Oasis colours.
Quoting NA (Reply 4): B-LFE but never actually delivered (and definitely not yet painted) is being converted to freigher and is either in Xiamen or Tel Aviv (last report was that it was seen at "SZB", wherever that is).
SZB is Subang near Kuala Lumpur. And it was LFY which was repainted into Oasis colours and then stored at Subang, not LFE.
Cloudyapple From Hong Kong, joined Jul 2005, 2447 posts, RR: 9 Reply 7, posted (5 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 1579 times:
Quoting QF744ER (Reply 6): What would of been B-LFE (ex JA403A) is stored at SZB as FCKC has already states, there are pics of it parked in basic ANA on the Malaysia Wings forum it was still there as of last week.
I stand corrected.
Quoting QF744ER (Reply 6): Can anyone provide a link that works to that pic of the 4 ex Oasis B744's parked up.
At Hong Kong? There is one on the "forbidden" av pic site.
Quoting QF744ER (Reply 6): Cloudyapple, I take it that rumour about CX snapping up the 2 P&W B744's -LFA and -LFB was only a rumour?
I think that is just a rumour. Cathay and Dragon are in a bit of a situation at the moment. Pax and freight numbers are down. Recruitment is frozen. Profits is, well, there isn't any. Premium seats demand is well down. Lots of freighters on order but not enough freight to fill them with reduced demand from developed countries for Chinese goods. And one of its shareholders is in serious trouble with bungled forex contracts but to be fair it shouldn't affect Cathay unless they are looking to offload their 17.5% shareholding.
Cathay has cut back on services for W08 and the outlook isn't great. I doubt they are looking for more capacity than already planned especially in terms of the B744 which isn't the most fuel efficient aircraft around for what it can do. They are however waiting for numbers from Qantas regarding the A388 and how it performs transpacific. No decision should be expected for a couple of years however.