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User currently offlineCAETravlr From United States of America, joined Oct 2000, 908 posts, RR: 1
Posted (13 years 1 month 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 1978 times:

Alright guys, this is a quick question. I know this has been discussed before, I just want to verify some information. I am scheduled to fly DL's 767-400 service to HNL late next month. I was just wondering, does this aircraft have PTVs in coach? I remember hearing that it does, and wanted to verify. If so, that will be quite nice.


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User currently offlineThevalley From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 3 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (13 years 1 month 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 1802 times:

The PTV's are in Business Class only. The airplane is new and clean, but the seats are pretty tight for that long of a ride!

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User currently offlineCAETravlr From United States of America, joined Oct 2000, 908 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (13 years 1 month 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 1779 times:

Thanks for the info!


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User currently offlineArsenal@LHR From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2001, 7792 posts, RR: 20
Reply 3, posted (13 years 1 month 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 1764 times:
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I've seen many pictures of DL's 764 interior but i didn't see any PTV's in economy class, so the answer would be no. Correct me if i'm wrong anyone


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User currently offlineCAETravlr From United States of America, joined Oct 2000, 908 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (13 years 1 month 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 1760 times:

Ok, so I was wrong about the PTVs, that does stink. I am guessing that only applies to the 777s. That in and of itself might make it worth flying UAL instead of DAL. Do the 767-400s have the power supplies for laptops in all classes of service? I swore that I read somewhere that the 764s had some sort of cool amenity even in coach. Any info is appreciated!


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User currently offlineModesto2 From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 2769 posts, RR: 6
Reply 5, posted (13 years 1 month 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 1706 times:

I've heard something about DL's 764's having some new seat adjusting equipment. Apparently, you can adjust your seat via buttons or something like that... Maybe someone else can provide some more insight.

User currently offlineGtpilot From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (13 years 1 month 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 1697 times:

I have flown on one of DL's 764 and had a pretty good experience. No, there were no PTV's but they had the same remote style entertainment thing that is in the 777 that pulls out of the arm rest. I guess when they start using them for international service they will put the PTV's in. The seats were also quite snug!

User currently offlineJrlander From United States of America, joined Aug 1999, 1104 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (13 years 1 month 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 1673 times:

I was on a DL 767-400 last week from SFO to ATL. Whoever designed the interior of Delta's 400's ought to be fired. They should have put PTV's in coach. They placed the seat controls on top of the arm rests. The flight attendant call button is right where one's elbow rests. For four hours all I heard was ding, ding, ding. The lavatories have no convenient waiting place. The seats are too close. They placed huge 'window's between coach and first, for no apparent reason.



User currently offlinePendrilsaint From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 685 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (13 years 1 month 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 1666 times:

*shudders* I think all the delta's 767 have that little dinging problem=P I remember the -200 in their fleat have the FA call button on the inside of the call button...every time someone tried to open up their legs and get some semblance of comfort ...*DING*...the FA were obviously agitated by this...but on the elbow rests!?...who makes designs like that?...I mean the overhead configuration has got to be the best for all those little buttons=P

User currently offlinePecoua From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 299 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (13 years 1 month 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 1667 times:

Careful....not all United's 777 are equipped with PTVs in coach. Some are the standard overhead monitors.

User currently offlineFlashmeister From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 2896 posts, RR: 6
Reply 10, posted (13 years 1 month 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 1655 times:
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DL is about to spend big bucks redoing interiors of 764s, and I believe 777s.

The 777 I flew on DL last year had the same constant-ringing problem... that's awful.

It was also the tightest seat squeeze I had ever been in. They're apparently not doing much about that, though.

It's a crime that DL didn't put PTVs in a new, long-range aircraft. How cheap can they be? I love DL, but they're getting cheaper and cheaper as far as service is concerned.


User currently offlineMikeymike From United States of America, joined May 2000, 406 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (13 years 1 month 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 1647 times:

DL's Ecomonomy Class upgrade is well under way on the 767-400 line with 4 out of 16 aircraft modded already. The Passenger Control Units have been moved to side-facing in stead of top facing, and 3 inches have been slimmed off the back of the seat for more personal space. The IFE control box underneath the seat has been re-orientated to provide more leg room underneath.

The 764 is a domestic aircraft flying %80 percent of its flights under 2 hours in stage length (obvious exceptions are ATL-LAX, ATL-SFO, and ATL-HNL). Although I don't agree with the decision not to put PTV's on the seats in coach, its not necessary due to the weight increase and fuel burn required to carry all that extra IFE equipment around.

The pitch for the -400 is no less than any other domestic aircraft in use with any other carrier.

Anyways, my two cents.


User currently offlineJim From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 455 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (13 years 1 month 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 1632 times:

The 'windows' between 1st and coach are there so that the F/A at the L1 door can verify that all pax are seated during taxi / takeoff. FAA requirement.

Jim


User currently offlineOrlo3 From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 139 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (13 years 1 month 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 1628 times:

I flew a 400 from atlanta to tampa last year. It is true about the call buttons. You spend the whole flight trying not to hit the dang button. I could not imagine sitting in the plane for a longer flight though. The seats were the most cramped I have ever experienced on any plane. My flight was only about an hour and a half and it felt like a 12 hour flight the way my body felt from the cramped conditions.

User currently offlineMikeymike From United States of America, joined May 2000, 406 posts, RR: 2
Reply 14, posted (13 years 1 month 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 1612 times:

Ditto Jim, the direct view panels are FAA required and you'll see them on most airlines with mid-cabin class dividers. AAL 777 has them as well. They are there for TT and L and then raised during cruise.

User currently offlineFlyVirgin744 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 1313 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (13 years 1 month 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 1605 times:

To clarify the first post, no PTVs on the aircraft period. And it is first class not business class.


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User currently offlineMikeymike From United States of America, joined May 2000, 406 posts, RR: 2
Reply 16, posted (13 years 1 month 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 1581 times:

Actually to clarify this last post, the DL's 764 does in fact have PTV's in first class.

As a general note, Delta's two-class service is divided into Domestic: First Class and International: Business Elite (Business Class).


User currently offlineJrlander From United States of America, joined Aug 1999, 1104 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (13 years 1 month 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 1567 times:

Per an earlier post, the "windows" were not closed for the flight. They remained open, allowing the front cabin of coach to see just how much better service the passengers in First were receiving.

User currently offlineContinental777 From United States of America, joined Oct 2000, 81 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (13 years 1 month 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 1565 times:

I flew on one 2 days ago from MCO to ATL and I found it to be quite comfortable. There was ample legroom for me to stretch out my legs and relax. The lack of PTV's will hurt on longer flights. Personally I thought the interior design was great.

User currently offlineFlashmeister From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 2896 posts, RR: 6
Reply 19, posted (13 years 1 month 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 1563 times:
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How much weight does IFE really cost? I mean come on... I can see it for flights ATL-MIA/MCO/FLL etc... but ATL-HNL? There damned well better be IFE onboard.

Delta: Wake up! People are going to demand IFE on the long hauls - either put it in the 764s or fly 777s on the route!


User currently offlineAmtran727 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (13 years 1 month 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 1562 times:

First, i confess that i didnt read most of the replies......

Anyway, the 764 has no PTV's, but it does have leather headrests in coach.... nice feature, and yes, the seats are kinda small. The worst choice i made was gettin a seat near the FA station. Ding Ding Ding, and the FA came over and bitched at me, but not anyone else.. hmmmmm. nice A/C execpt for the button problems. At TPA when I rode one, the capt used full reverse and brakes, even on the longer runway,(i forgot which one) we stopped in about 3500ft. Amazing landing.

Good Day, Amtran727 Big grin


User currently offlineFlyVirgin744 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 1313 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (13 years 1 month 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 1558 times:

To clarify the post after my clarification, Delta does not have PTVs in first class of their 764s. I have walked through the cabin myself, and even the Delta website says they don't. As quoted from the DL page, "Select B767, B-777 and MD-11 flights also have In-Seat Video available in BusinessElite™." Notice it says Biz Elite, so the only 767s with PTVs in Delta's fleet are in the Biz Elite cabin of the -300s.

http://www.delta.com/travel/during_flight/inflight_ent/movies/index.jsp

Unless they've been installed since January, no PTVs.



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User currently offlineQantasA330 From Iraq, joined Dec 2000, 306 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (13 years 1 month 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 1555 times:

From what has been said here it seems like Delta have some Customer Concerns. YES THAT CALL BUTTON IS A PAIN IN THE A$$! And if I were you CAETravlr I would take UAL where you will on doubt have better chances at getting a 777 flight with PTV's. Delta's 767-432's have horrible seat width, and the pitch is no better than average.

:::QantasA330:::


User currently offlineTEDSKI From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (13 years 1 month 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 1554 times:

The 767-400 needs higher thrust GE CF6s like the type used on the A330 models with 72,000lbs max thrust for better takeoff and climb performance with a full load.

User currently offlineDL_Mech From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 1907 posts, RR: 9
Reply 24, posted (13 years 1 month 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 1550 times:

No PTV's in F/C on the 764??????? Good, now I can stop doing all those four hour software loads for the video games............


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25 King767 : Again you amaze me by your "Educated" post's. The 767-400 needs higher thrust GE CF6s like the type used on the A330 models with 72,000lbs max thrust
26 Mikeymike : LOL...right on DL-Mech! I can't help myself from laughing anymore, I need to clue them in, its just too funny of the naivity. The DL 764 F/C seats hav
27 Continental777 : The 767-400 is definitely not an underpowered aircraft. When I flew from MCO-ATL the plane was completely full and the takeoff was very powerful. Delt
28 TEDSKI : If the 767-400 weighs less than the A330, then why does the A330 have more range than the 767-400?
29 0A340 : It's the wings! The 332 has the same wing as the 333, 342, and 343, plus features the xtra -center- fuel tank of the 343. Therefore, compared to the 7
30 Post contains images RyeFly : I have never been on the 767-400, but I know what you all are talking about with the call button problem. I have been on Delta's 777's and L1011's and
31 Mikeymike : Ryefly....you are very correct in that the 777 has the same problem that the 764 has. They are both being converted to side-facing Passenger Control U
32 RyeFly : It really doesn't matter where they place the buttons for the call button or the lights. If they are on the arm rest people will hit them by accident
33 Early Air : No, it does not have PTV's in coach. Rgds, Early Air
34 Mikeymike : True ryefly, some of DL's L1011's still do have the PCU's located on the seat, I stand corrected, however, IFE/PCU's is not necessarily a function of
35 Purdue Arrow : I believe that the window between First and Coach remains open in flight so that passengers sitting in the front of the coach section (in front of the
36 CAETravlr : Thanks guys for all of the responses. My fiance and I, who are flying back separately, have bulkhead seats on the way back. However, on the way out, w
37 Mikeymike : with regards to why the F/A's didn't close the "Direct View" Panels between first and coach, I can't say why, although it is proceduralized in the fli
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