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VC-25 Wearing Winglets? (Pics)  
User currently offlineRampkontroler From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 859 posts, RR: 6
Posted (5 years 12 months 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 10162 times:

Sorry for the cruddy shots, but if I knew what I was shooting I may have been a little more careful, plus, it was pretty dark out. (I know...excuses excuses!) Anyway, I'm resurrecting this old topic because of these shots and an inquiring mind.

I caught this the other day (10/23) and was going to just toss them, but when I saw the wing and the winglets, I got curious. I know the VC-25 is based on a -200 airframe, so it does not sport winglets. Does anyone know what other Air Force variants of the 747 are out there that would wear the official colors and apparently based on a -400 airframe? (I know whatever this is probably isn't called a VC-25, but it looks like one so I called it that!)

Thanks for the info!

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User currently offlinePowercube From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 265 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (5 years 12 months 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 10163 times:

It's a 747-4EVF/ER operating for Jade Cargo Airlines, not military at all.

User currently offlineRampkontroler From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 859 posts, RR: 6
Reply 2, posted (5 years 12 months 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 10094 times:

Hmmm...I see why you would say that, and to be honest I hadn't considered them. However, Jade has a full green fuselage underneath. I'm pretty sure that this doesn't, and the blue definitely seems to stand out...it doesn't appear green at all to me.

User currently offlinePowercube From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 265 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (5 years 12 months 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 10064 times:



Quoting Rampkontroler (Reply 2):

You're right, my mistake. It's also not in the service of NCA or CX cargo


User currently offlineMD-90 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 8508 posts, RR: 12
Reply 4, posted (5 years 12 months 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 10058 times:

Whatever it is, it isn't a VC-25 because the curvature of the paint on the fuselage is wrong.

User currently offlineN186BD From United States of America, joined May 2007, 37 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (5 years 12 months 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 10043 times:

I think it's KLM. The tail is the right color and I can almost (maybe I'm wishing) make out the faint signs of the KLM titles on the vert. tailfin. I think the silver "chin" may be a shadow. Just a thought.

N186BD



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User currently offlineRampkontroler From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 859 posts, RR: 6
Reply 6, posted (5 years 12 months 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 10004 times:

I can almost agree with the KLM...we do get plenty of those overhead, but the color underneath the nose has me a bit baffled.

I suppose it could be a trick of the light, but somethings not looking quite right to me. Looks like more research is in order for me before I'm satisfied!


User currently offlineFLY2HMO From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (5 years 12 months 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 9964 times:



Quoting Rampkontroler (Reply 6):
but the color underneath the nose has me a bit baffled.

I think its just a shadow illusion. Put your finger over it and it fits the KLM paint scheme perfectly.


User currently offlineRampkontroler From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 859 posts, RR: 6
Reply 8, posted (5 years 12 months 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 9950 times:



Quoting FLY2HMO (Reply 7):
I think its just a shadow illusion. Put your finger over it and it fits the KLM paint scheme perfectly.

Yeah, I think I'm leaning that way as well. Nothing else makes much sense to me. Thanks for your help, guys!

(If anyone else has any other ideas, don't hesitate to chime in. )


User currently offline777STL From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 3704 posts, RR: 3
Reply 9, posted (5 years 12 months 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 9627 times:



Quoting N186BD (Reply 5):
think it's KLM. The tail is the right color and I can almost (maybe I'm wishing) make out the faint signs of the KLM titles on the vert. tailfin. I think the silver "chin" may be a shadow. Just a thought.

You're not imagining it, I can see the title on the tail as well. That's definitely a KLM 744.



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User currently offlineAFKL From Netherlands, joined Feb 2008, 219 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (5 years 12 months 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 9156 times:

IMHO it looks like a KLM bird. If you look very carefully you can almost make out the KLM logo on the tail.


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User currently offlineSpottingpete93 From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2006, 74 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (5 years 12 months 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 9046 times:

KLM definitely!

Could the oddness with the nose possibly be caused by a shadow of one of the engines? Look where the sun is in relation to the aircraft. Kind of fits does it not?


User currently offlineAA388 From Puerto Rico, joined Sep 2007, 304 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (5 years 12 months 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 6224 times:

I think it kind of looks like it has rolls engines.... which KLM does not so....


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User currently offlineDazed767 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 5498 posts, RR: 51
Reply 13, posted (5 years 12 months 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 5942 times:

Looks like an Eastern L-1011 to me  scratchchin 



Yeah I'm going with KLM on this one.


User currently offlineRampkontroler From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 859 posts, RR: 6
Reply 14, posted (5 years 12 months 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 5653 times:

Thanks for all the replies. I've decided that you guys are right and it must be KLM because nothing else seems to fit. I too, see that there is something on the tail which I initially thought was the flag, but could also be the initials.
The sun was quite low and the angle may indeed have cast that funny shadow on the nose.

It sure threw me for a bit!


User currently onlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 31119 posts, RR: 85
Reply 15, posted (5 years 12 months 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 5448 times:
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I saw 28-000 during her last overhaul in 2007 and she didn't have winglets when they were done. As such, I can only assume 29-000 does not, either.  Wink

Also, the E-4B fleet doesn't have them. So that is not a USAF bird.


User currently offlineN766UA From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 8309 posts, RR: 23
Reply 16, posted (5 years 12 months 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 5375 times:

The first thing I thought when I opened the picture was: "Uh, that's KLM!" The tail is a dead giveaway. I think the nose is just a shadow, seeing as the sun is setting at the airplane's 6 o'clock.


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User currently offlineSunilgupta From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 783 posts, RR: 14
Reply 17, posted (5 years 12 months 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 4232 times:



Quoting Stitch (Reply 15):
I saw 28-000 during her last overhaul in 2007 and she didn't have winglets when they were done. As such, I can only assume 29-000 does not, either.

Yes, you are right. Neither of them have winglets. I see them all the time flying over and at ADW.

Sunil


User currently offlineJAGflyer From Canada, joined Aug 2004, 3548 posts, RR: 4
Reply 18, posted (5 years 12 months 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 4215 times:

rampkontroler: That VC-25 has winglets!
me: Sir, that's just a KLM 747.

:D Big grin



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User currently offlineRampkontroler From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 859 posts, RR: 6
Reply 19, posted (5 years 12 months 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 2536 times:



Quoting JAGflyer (Reply 18):
rampkontroler: That VC-25 has winglets!
me: Sir, that's just a KLM 747.

Yeah, yeah, yeah...my head is bowed in embarrassment! I just want this thread to die already LOL! I took a look at the picture last night and, maybe it was the third beer (or was it the fourth?  spin  ) that made me think it was more than it obviously must be, but I am now convinced it has to be KLM. Sorry to have created such a ruckus! (I know this is a recurrent topic, but I honestly thought it looked strange.) Thanks again, everyone.

(Let this be a warning about the dangers of drinking and posting!!)


User currently offlineDrerx7 From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5192 posts, RR: 8
Reply 20, posted (5 years 12 months 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 2486 times:

Where was this taken? Its definitely a KLM bird. Interesting thread nonetheless


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User currently offlineFRAspotter From United States of America, joined May 2004, 2357 posts, RR: 9
Reply 21, posted (5 years 12 months 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 2285 times:



Quoting AA388 (Reply 12):
I think it kind of looks like it has rolls engines.... which KLM does not so....


You can tell that from the photo?  Confused Dang...  Smile



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User currently offlineA388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 9903 posts, RR: 15
Reply 22, posted (5 years 12 months 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 1989 times:

It's a KL 744.

A388


User currently offline413X3 From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 1983 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (5 years 12 months 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 1901 times:

more specifically it is a KLM 744F

User currently offlineDrerx7 From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5192 posts, RR: 8
Reply 24, posted (5 years 12 months 1 day ago) and read 1855 times:

How can you tell its a 744F - the upper deck is not noticeably shorter...the pics are not 'diagnostic' lol


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