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US Airways Delays A350 Deliveries  
User currently offlineRunwayGirl From United States of America, joined Oct 2008, 51 posts, RR: 11
Posted (5 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 10528 times:

From www.flightglobal.com/blogs/runway-gi...nd-it-beginsus-airways-delays.html

Thought this might be a good conversation starter. US Airways has delayed its A350 deliveries by a year until 2015...is it a sign of things to come?

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User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 25056 posts, RR: 46
Reply 1, posted (5 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 10427 times:

This was part of the $950mil financing package US Airways got last week.

Basically they get $200 million earned in consideration of delaying aircraft deliveries by 1 year on the 22 firm ordered A350XWB.

Sounds like a good deal to me.



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User currently offlineSESGDL From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 3471 posts, RR: 10
Reply 2, posted (5 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 10387 times:

I think we'll be seeing a lot more of this in the near future from other airlines. Will be interesting!

Jeremy


User currently offlineOa260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 26909 posts, RR: 58
Reply 3, posted (5 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 10408 times:



Quoting SESGDL (Reply 2):
Will be interesting!

Will also be interesting to see which airlines are around to take those deliveries by that time.


User currently offlineRunwayGirl From United States of America, joined Oct 2008, 51 posts, RR: 11
Reply 4, posted (5 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 10402 times:



Quoting SESGDL (Reply 2):
think we'll be seeing a lot more of this in the near future from other airlines. Will be interesting!

That's what I'm thinking. But here's the question...is this delay at the behest of US Airways or Airbus?  Smile


User currently offlineGilesdavies From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2003, 3012 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (5 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 10400 times:

I really don't understand the logic...

Strange to announce they are delaying delivery of an aircraft when it was not due to be delivered and join the fleet until 2012/13. In that time surely things will have improved, and US Airways would be better positioned to receive them!?

If the aircrafts are not due to arrive until 2015 now, they could end up replacing the A330-300's which will be 16-17 yrs old by then and could possibly be retired from the fleet.


User currently offlineWhappeh From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 1563 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (5 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 10283 times:



Quoting Gilesdavies (Reply 5):
I really don't understand the logic...

I'm having a hard time getting my head around this one as well.



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User currently offlineDL767captain From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 2539 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (5 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 10189 times:

Seems strange that they would be able to push back deliveries, i thought they were desperately needing new aircraft to open up some new routes, could this mean they are looking into a partnership or merge with someone else and aren't sure if they will need the aircraft? It seems like US airways would want to merge with someone or maybe even join a new alliance now that CO is joining Star Alliance. Perhaps US could move to one world, they would compliment American i think

User currently offlineThorben From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (5 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 10169 times:

As recent events have shown, carriers don't need to delay the deliveries of newly-developed models. The manufacturer do it for them.

User currently offlineRunwayGirl From United States of America, joined Oct 2008, 51 posts, RR: 11
Reply 9, posted (5 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 10103 times:

And what does it mean for US Airways' China plans? Guess that will be delayed too?

Quoting Thorben (Reply 8):
As recent events have shown, carriers don't need to delay the deliveries of newly-developed models. The manufacturer do it for them.

Precisely. Airbus gives $200 million, plus allows for a one-year deferral?


User currently offlineMIgAiR54 From Spain, joined Jun 2007, 1694 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (5 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 10078 times:



Quoting LAXintl (Reply 1):
Basically they get $200 million earned in consideration of delaying aircraft deliveries by 1 year on the 22 firm ordered A350XWB.

IMO this is a very good move, $200 million doing nothing.

Quoting RunwayGirl (Reply 4):
is this delay at the behest of US Airways or Airbus?

win-win, money for US and 1 year deliveries slots for airbus to catch some new customers. I think Airbus will do a very good business with this slots, some major airlines could be very interested, IB, LH........


User currently offlineAstuteman From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2005, 9998 posts, RR: 96
Reply 11, posted (5 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 10021 times:
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Quoting RunwayGirl (Reply 4):
is this delay at the behest of US Airways or Airbus?

You really want to go there?

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 1):
This was part of the $950mil financing package US Airways got last week.

Basically they get $200 million earned in consideration of delaying aircraft deliveries by 1 year

And in the process reduce their exposure to interest and debt repayments on the Citicorp financing facility that they have in place, as far as I can read it....

Rgds


User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 25056 posts, RR: 46
Reply 12, posted (5 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 9991 times:



Quoting RunwayGirl (Reply 4):
is this delay at the behest of US Airways or Airbus?

US Airways since the summer has been busy laying plans to gather acorns for the winter.

Ultimately this is a win-win for both US and Airbus.
US gets money, Airbus frees up some early delivery positions which they can remarket.



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User currently offlineFedExFlyerPHL From United States of America, joined May 2008, 193 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (5 years 9 months 4 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 9471 times:



Quoting LAXintl (Reply 12):
Ultimately this is a win-win for both US and Airbus.
US gets money, Airbus frees up some early delivery positions which they can remarket.

Agreed. And as of now, I think with the exception of China, does US fly to or have authority to that many places where they will need them in 2014? Until then, the 332, 333 and maybe even a few 762 (if any are still around) should work just fine.

Jeff



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User currently offlineStarAlliance38 From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 1445 posts, RR: 3
Reply 14, posted (5 years 9 months 4 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 9387 times:



Quoting DL767captain (Reply 7):
It seems like US airways would want to merge with someone or maybe even join a new alliance now that CO is joining Star Alliance. Perhaps US could move to one world, they would compliment American i think

Why would US move to OW when they have a crazy-tight relationship with UA? Reciprocal club access, tons of codesharing, and IMO, US only joined Star because of UA.

Is UA cheating on US for CO? Besides the smexy CO globe, I kinda hope not.



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User currently offlineJohn From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 1374 posts, RR: 5
Reply 15, posted (5 years 9 months 4 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 9352 times:

The A350XWB will probably NOT be ready for delivery until at least 2014 anyway....this airframe is still in the design phase, isn't it? So it's just a paper airplane at this point. Does Airbus have a target date as to when manufacturing will begin?

User currently offlineRunwayGirl From United States of America, joined Oct 2008, 51 posts, RR: 11
Reply 16, posted (5 years 9 months 4 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 9301 times:



Quoting John (Reply 15):
The A350XWB will probably NOT be ready for delivery until at least 2014 anyway....this airframe is still in the design phase, isn't it? So it's just a paper airplane at this point. Does Airbus have a target date as to when manufacturing will begin?

Design freeze by the end of the year, and then they best get moving.


User currently offlineJlbmedia From United States of America, joined Jun 2002, 622 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (5 years 9 months 4 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 9292 times:
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Quoting John (Reply 15):
The A350XWB will probably NOT be ready for delivery until at least 2014 anyway....this airframe is still in the design phase, isn't it? So it's just a paper airplane at this point. Does Airbus have a target date as to when manufacturing will begin?

Thats just what I was thinking. Maybe Airbus believes that they can not meet the old delivery deadline, USAirways needs cash now, So it is cheaper for Airbus help with USAirways finance package now, than to pay the penalties to USAirways later. Just a thought.



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User currently offlineVega From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (5 years 9 months 4 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 9285 times:



Quoting RunwayGirl (Thread starter):
Thought this might be a good conversation starter. US Airways has delayed its A350 deliveries by a year until 2015...is it a sign of things to come?

You appear intent on turning a very "positive" move into a negative - with very little understanding of the facts. Even when the (correct) facts are presented by laxintl, etal, you continue to pursue a non-existent clandestine rationale. What is your real agenda here?


User currently offlineFlighty From United States of America, joined Apr 2007, 8468 posts, RR: 2
Reply 19, posted (5 years 9 months 4 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 9219 times:



Quoting Jlbmedia (Reply 17):
So it is cheaper for Airbus help with USAirways finance package now, than to pay the penalties to USAirways later. Just a thought.

It is also true to say it's cheaper for Airbus to help US Airways with a finance package, than watch them go under and spill a couple hundred Airbuses onto the market. So it's all feathers and soft candlelight between Airbus and US Airways, an ever delicate touch.


User currently onlineRuscoe From Australia, joined Aug 1999, 1557 posts, RR: 2
Reply 20, posted (5 years 9 months 4 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 9058 times:

Dont know about Airbus but Boeing have admitted to 80 delayed delivery requests already.

Would not be surprised if Airbus is in a similar boat.

Makes it all the more understandable why Boeing don't seem to be in a hurry with the IAM strike.

Ruscoe


User currently offlineFlighty From United States of America, joined Apr 2007, 8468 posts, RR: 2
Reply 21, posted (5 years 9 months 4 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 8994 times:



Quoting Ruscoe (Reply 20):
Makes it all the more understandable why Boeing don't seem to be in a hurry with the IAM strike.

Bingo. And the 787, A380 delays weren't such a tragedy either. They tightened a jet market that otherwise would be falling apart like Jell-O right now.


User currently offlinePliersinsight From United States of America, joined May 2008, 490 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (5 years 9 months 4 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 8922 times:



Quoting Flighty (Reply 19):
It is also true to say it's cheaper for Airbus to help US Airways with a finance package, than watch them go under and spill a couple hundred Airbuses onto the market.

Unless of course US takes the cash now and then files chapter 13, again, right when they are supposed to take delivery of the A350s. Sounds like the shyster thing to do now doesn't it..?


User currently offlineRunwayGirl From United States of America, joined Oct 2008, 51 posts, RR: 11
Reply 23, posted (5 years 9 months 4 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 8757 times:



Quoting Vega (Reply 18):

Oh come now. It doesn't hurt to question...the recent history of new aircraft programmes (at Boeing and Airbus) has taught us that.


User currently offlineTN757Flyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (5 years 9 months 4 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 8714 times:

IMO, we won't ever see an A350 in US colors. I doubt they will be in existence in 6 years. Yeah I'll get flamed, but they have a bad product and three years after the merger they still don't have it right. Unless they make significant changes, starting with Parker, they will be lucky to survive the next couple of years, let alone make it into the next decade.

25 Jetfuel : Unless the quality of service takes a 180-degree turn for the better I agree 100%. US is the airline of last choice for a lot of people at the moment
26 IliriBDL : That's why all our flights are flying empty, because we all know no one wants to fly US. It means nothing RG, because they weren't even planning on u
27 TDubJFK : Does anyone but me think it's a ridiculous thought that America West -er, I mean USAirways- will still even be around in 2015? C'mon....
28 Astuteman : Guys, Guys. At the equivalent distance from EIS (even after slippage), the 787 hadn't even been launched, yet the A350XWB is within a spit of design
29 HZ747300 : Will they launch PHX / LHR service after receiving the A332? Then they could code-share onward travel to Europe with BMI if they time the arrival righ
30 TN757Flyer : Oh it's not a wish, I don't want to see any airline go out of business. I come from an airline family and my brother is retired from the old US. Like
31 RunwayGirl : I admire your optimism, but a healthy dose of scepticism does not equate to an agenda.
32 Kogge : Does anybody know the status of the delivery schedule of the roughly 100 Airbus single aisles which US Airways has on order ? I have heard rumours tha
33 DL767captain : I think it's a possibility. US is not the best airline (in my or many others opinion). Their planes are usually dirty and uncomfortable and in my exp
34 TN757Flyer : Without UA, US Airways really does not have a truly viable merger partner, at least one that will make them better than they are today. My job requir
35 Bobnwa : the numbers seem to contradict you. In the latest figures in Air Transport World for load factor it shows US beating WN, DL, B6, UA, and AS. It shows
36 RunwayGirl : I take your point about China. US Airways originally said it would source A340s for Philly-Beijing. Then in March of this year, Scott Kirby confirmed
37 TN757Flyer : Do your numbers also tell you US consistently ranks among the highest airlines for complaints among passengers and worst performance? They, like ever
38 RW170 : I don't believe US Airways will be out of business anytime soon. I have been hearing about how awful USAir's service is and how scary they are as long
39 Bobnwa : What part of the following statement that I was replying to don't you understand? My response was to the load factor statement, nothing more nothing
40 Hloutweg : That's, I think what the point of this whole thing is. To have US free up some spaces benefiting Airbus's position to offer slots to other airlines,
41 Airbazar : They're still arguably the best "LCC" across the Atlantic and I don't see anyone else getting into that business except for maybe NW, and arguably th
42 ORDagent : One of the reasons for US being full is because there are many east coast markets they have to themselves. Between CLT and PHL there are a lot of rout
43 Bobnwa : The original argument was that US has low load factors and wasn't filling its aircraft. Do we agree that is a false premise? Lets talk about costs an
44 TN757Flyer : Someone correct me if I am wrong, but aren't the the only "LCC" across the Atlantic? So there's really nothing to compare it to (I really don't see t
45 Airbazar : That's not what I read. I took comment in reply 28 to be of a sarcastic nature, in fact implying that US has high load factors and a lot of people ar
46 Bobnwa : US does have high load factors and a lot of people are flying them. Are you saying that is not true?
47 TN757Flyer : If I may interject, as has been discussed, in many cities they are the only option, so yes they have high load factors. (Yes the same can be said abo
48 Airbazar : Umm, I'll re-post: I'll re-post for the 2nd time: And for the third, and hopefuly last time, I am saying that US has high load factors. There. Does t
49 Bobnwa : Good, then the discussion is over, since we both agree.That wasn't so hard was it?
50 Flighty : Correct. And there is nothing low yield about that. US succeeds despite its lack of style, despite a bad reputation, because it provides Transportati
51 IliriBDL : I know, I was just joking with the other guy. He claimed that the US is the airline of last choice for a lot of people at the moment, so I told him y
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