Mortyman From Norway, joined Aug 2006, 1352 posts, RR: 2 Posted (1 year 3 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 13076 times:
In this clip of a B 737 of the Norwegian airline Braathens ( No longer an active airline. It is today part of SAS Norway ) , both pilots are female. How common is that ?
In Norway I think it's unusual.Usually the pilots are both male or mixed, one male one female
PanAm747 From United States, joined Feb 2004, 4242 posts, RR: 11 Reply 1, posted (1 year 3 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 13014 times:
I think I read somewhere that it was the original Frontier Airlines back in the 1980's that had the first flight with two females in the cockpit.
Unusual? No. Rather random? Yep! The odds would have to be calculated by the number of female captains and first officers - anyone have any figures on that?
Random chance is going to have things happen like this. Kind of like in the 1992 U.S. Presidential election when all three candidates were left-handed. Assuming that one out of ten people are left-handed, the chances of all three being lefties are one in one thousand, but it happened.
Oddly enough, both of the current Presidential candidates are left-handed as well, so random events do happen!
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Danfearn77 From United Kingdom (England), joined Jul 2008, 1224 posts, RR: 13 Reply 2, posted (1 year 3 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 12892 times:
I flew with TOM a few years ago and the Captain came over the intercom to introduce herself, then she introduced her co-pilot as a women. I will never forget this old guy next to me, he turned to me and said:
'Whats the f**king world coming to, 2 female pilots. What a disgrace, they cant even drive a simple car safely yet they trust them in a plane doing a mans job'
I was pretty shocked i have to say, so disrespectful. I just kept my mouth shut, but it says it all, it is pretty rare and this guy has obviously never come across it before. Still, thats by no means an excuse for making such a disgraceful cmment.
When we landed i wanted to turn to him and say 'there you go mate, your here safe and sound', but didnt want to cause a scene as he was obviously quite opinionated.
I suppose in the past it could be regarded as a 'mans' job, but nowadays whether your women, man, black, white, christian or muslim you all go through the same training and show the same level of dedication to get there, to achieve the ultimate goal and sitting behind the controls in the cockpit.
2 female pilots in the flight deck will only become more common, and quite rightly too. Women can do this job just as well as a man and in some cases better, and its a shame people like the man i mentioned cannot come to terms with this and would happily make more sexist comments if the situation arose again.
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FlyASAGuy2005 From United States, joined Sep 2007, 2188 posts, RR: 1 Reply 3, posted (1 year 3 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 12861 times:
I've personally seen it a couple times. Most recent was w/Delta SJU-ATL on the 757 a couple months back. Then oddly, and pretty random, the last three flights i've flown on had female captains.
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Viscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 10715 posts, RR: 9 Reply 6, posted (1 year 3 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 12671 times:
AC's first flight with two female pilots several years ago, shortly before they retired their last ex-Canadian Airlines 737-200s. The flight was from YVR to YXY (Whitehorse, Yukon).
The captain, Rosella Bjornson, was the first female pilot hired by an airline in Canada in 1973,and one of the first in North America, when she became a first officer on the Fokker F-28 operated by regional carrier Transair. When they merged with Pacific Western Airlines in the late 1970s she started flying the 737-200 which she flew for over 25 years. She was the first female captain for Canadian Airlines in 1990. She retired when AC retired the 737-200 in 2004.
57AZ From United States, joined Nov 2004, 2491 posts, RR: 3 Reply 8, posted (1 year 3 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 12615 times:
Back some years ago, the Federal Aviation Administration had an all female flight crew. I believe that at that time, that crew was the first all female flight crew to operate a US government aircraft and the first all female crew to include a flight engineer (727).
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Flycub78 From Australia, joined Jun 2008, 4 posts, RR: 0 Reply 9, posted (1 year 3 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 12588 times:
It was April fools day in 2001, I was a flight attendant, rostered a 4 sector duty day. We were crewing a company B717-200 for what was then Impulse Airlines (went onto to Qantas-Link then Jetstar) We had a female Captian and First Officer and all four cabin attendants were male! We had one dear old lady on our first flight call me over just after our captain made her welcome aboard announcement and say to me, "Sweet heart its lovely to see you all have a sense of humour, but you can't pull the wool over this old ducks eyes. now how about you let that lovely lady out of the flight deck and you pop back in so we can be on our way" Well I just about burst out laughing and had to explain to her that I was very much in my right role as was our captain. We took off and had a great flight down south to Melbourne. Shortly after landing the dear old lady came up to myself and our Captain who was at the flight deck door and thanked us for the best flight she had ever had! In my 6 years of flying as cabin crew it happened at least once a month that we would have an all female tech crew!
Aogdesk From United States, joined Jun 2004, 841 posts, RR: 4 Reply 11, posted (1 year 3 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 12520 times:
Quoting Danfearn77 (Reply 2): What a disgrace, they cant even drive a simple car safely yet they trust them in a plane doing a mans job'
I actually had a male captain say essentially the same thing to me when he found out that the F/O and the F/E (B727) were female. I was speechless then.
If the same thing happened today, I'd be more than happy to vocally compare him to a steaming pile of excrement.
Danfearn77 From United Kingdom (England), joined Jul 2008, 1224 posts, RR: 13 Reply 14, posted (1 year 3 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 12433 times:
Quoting Aogdesk (Reply 11): If the same thing happened today, I'd be more than happy to vocally compare him to a steaming pile of excrement.
And quite rightly too. There is no excuse for sexism in this industry, none whatsoever. Its not like a group of men and women turned up one day and their name was drawn out of a hat. These women have worked to exactly the same levels of requirements as men have, have put in hundreds of hours of work and in some cases thousands of pounds/dollars to get there. So why is it fair to go through all this, working towards their dream job, to then have some stuck-up-his-own-arse man turn round to them one day and give them an ear bashing for 'taking a mans job'.
The industry is changing. Sure 40 yrs ago it may have been male dominated, but its the 21st century now and times have changed. It all boils down to the fact they cant stand the fact that women are as good or better than them. Thats what it is and it is pathetic.
Quoting Aogdesk (Reply 11): Quoting Danfearn77 (Reply 2):
What a disgrace, they cant even drive a simple car safely yet they trust them in a plane doing a mans job'
I actually had a male captain say essentially the same thing to me when he found out that the F/O and the F/E (B727) were female. I was speechless then.
If i owned an airline and i heard one of my male flight crew complain of women pilots i would get rid of him. There is no room for sexism and jealousy.
If at first you dont succeed, remove all evidence you ever tried.
OH-LGA From United States, joined Oct 1999, 1347 posts, RR: 30 Reply 15, posted (1 year 3 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 12188 times:
My UA 747 flight from FRA to SFO back in late July was operated by a flight crew of three (Pilot, First Officer and Relief Pilot)... of which the Pilot and First Officer were both women, and the Relief Pilot was a guy. My mom remarked that that was pretty cool
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OtnySASLHR From Spain, joined May 2007, 95 posts, RR: 0 Reply 19, posted (1 year 3 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 11894 times:
Dan-Air (London) operated their first all female flight deck crew on 12 April 1975.
HS748 LGW-BRS-BVA-LGW With Capt Yvonne Sintes and F/O Marilyn Booth.
and thereafter regularly operated flights with all female flight deck crew.
Yvonne went on to be the UK's (and possibly Europe's) first female Jet a/c captain flying
BAC 1-11
Brgds Tony
Ferengi80 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2007, 471 posts, RR: 0 Reply 20, posted (1 year 3 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 11651 times:
I can't for the life of me remember the exact date, but I remember around 1997 that Continental Airlines flew EWR-MAN with an all-female crew (both flight crew and cabin crew), using a 757-200. I cannot say for sure, but I think it was reported as the first all-female Transatlantic flight.
SANFan From United States, joined Aug 2006, 2465 posts, RR: 11 Reply 21, posted (1 year 3 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 11585 times:
Quoting FlySSC (Reply 17): What is surprising me is that this kind of thing is still surprising some people ...
This stupid (IMHO) subject comes up here on A.net about twice a year.
It's right up there, IMO, with the incredible amount of media interest sparked when 2 African-American coaches faced each other in Super Bowl XLI (in 2007!) Talk about turning a non-event into a big deal and unnecessarily re-visiting the race issue in America...
I know, "don't read or participate in a thread that doesn't interest you." But it does interest me that subjects like this continue to be brought up and discussed, continuing to bring gender, racial, religious, and other non-issues back to the forefront where, IMO, they simply don't belong any more. This is 2008 -- let's move on.
Two (or three) women together on a flight deck: so what?!
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LeftWing From Singapore, joined Mar 2006, 256 posts, RR: 0 Reply 23, posted (1 year 3 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 11119 times:
Airlines in India very often roster an all female crew, capt, f/o and all cabin crew...this is a huge motivtional factor for the uplift of women in India...
DUALRATED From United States, joined May 2008, 759 posts, RR: 0 Reply 24, posted (1 year 3 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 10747 times:
Quoting Danfearn77 (Reply 2): 2 female pilots in the flight deck will only become more common, and quite rightly too. Women can do this job just as well as a man and in some cases better, and its a shame people like the man i mentioned cannot come to terms with this and would happily make more sexist comments if the situation arose again.
How true!
I recall a entire female crew (flightdeck and cabin) also a 737 if I remember correctly.
MD11Engineer From Germany, joined Oct 2003, 10360 posts, RR: 67 Reply 25, posted (1 year 3 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 10654 times:
Since we have quite a few female pilots and among them several captains, and since the airline regularly mixes the crews to prevent sloppy habits from forming (every shift there will be a different captain / F/O combination), there is a high chance that from time to time there will be an all female crew.
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26 Luv2cattlecall: They really do seem to reach out... From Air India's Wikipedia entry: The OP didn't say it was a bad thing, calm down. Despite your assertion that it
27 BriGuyinHou: When two female pilots are flying your aircraft it is no longer called a cockpit. It is called a box office.
28 OHLHD: A Friend of mine travelled on QR and both pilots were females! Shouldn´t be uncommon nowadays!
29 IrregKing: LH454 / B747-400 / FRA-SFO / 28 Aug 2006 I was part of a 14-headed cabin crew... all male... Upstairs on the flightdeck: 2 female pilots, one 4 stripe
30 Daviation: If I recall correctly, the chief pilot of Continental's DC-10 fleet was a woman. I would imagine that she now has an equal position in their current f
31 AirframeAS: Ive seen two women crew in the cockpit at WN countless times. I have done on segment a few years back on AS that had a female cockpit crew SEA-PHX.
33 ABQopsHP: Along with the original Frontier (FL), Texas International was another carrier in the late 70s early 80s who had an all female crew. My in flight inst
34 EMB170: IIRC, didn't SR have an all female flight crew (Captain, FO, and cabin crew) around 1997-1998? They had a big press release about it, even though it w
35 DocLightning: Well, it is unusual just given the number. I think that only 3-5% of commercial pilots are women, if I'm not terribly mistaken. Someone else will ple
36 Type-Rated: I saw my first all female flight deck crew on a UA 737 flight DEN-MSP back in 1994 or so. I just thought that eventually we'd see more and more of tha
37 RJ111: Pilots have to be good multitaskers, something that women are naturally good at.
38 AirJamaica: I am fully aware that in earlier days it was a male dominated profession and that passenger just cannot come to terms that times have changed. He is
39 OA412: Weird! My first flight ever with a female pilot was on WN some 12 years ago but, she did introduce herself by telling us she was our captain. Of cour
40 OB1504: I flew Spirit FLL-LIM on 08 Oct and LIM-FLL on 09 Oct and had an all-female flight crew on both legs.
41 Boeingmd82: I believe the first all-female crew to operate a certified US scheduled flight was in 1979 with Hawaiian Airlines. http://www.hawaiianair.com/Aboutus/
42 KELPkid: At the risk of drifting further off-topic, and with a vested interest in this particular subject (I am a leftie myself ), I must say that certain pro
43 NAVEGA: Not unusual for me anymore as a regular paying flying passenger. I have had flights on United, Continental and I believe American with both pilots bei
44 ANITIX87: There has been lots of talk of both pilots being female, or the captain being male and the F/O being female, but there is a bizarre absence of cases w
45 Luv2cattlecall: I would think that being a lefty would be rather beneficial for a Cirrus or Airbus left seater...right?
46 Kaitak: I've been on a few flights like that, with BA and Aer Lingus, the latter on the A320. Haven't yet been on a flight where both pilots were female, but
47 ItalianFlyer: I just did two legs on a 757 with a female flight deck and male cabin crew. Its not uncommon. Its 2008.
48 Brilondon: I feel that if they did not even speak you would not even know that it was women who are flying the planes. I think that if I can land and walk away,
49 RussianJet: To be honest, I find this question fairly silly. We all know there are female pilots out there. And, we all know that there are still many more male p
50 GoldenJet707: Unusual ? No, rather seldom ! After 23 years of working as a male Flight- Attendant, I just recently had my first all female flight and inflight crew.
51 Flyb6: I was flying o airtran from Newport News, Va to Orlando non stop and I had a female captain and the first offiver was a male. It was nice to see that
52 Type-Rated: Also remember that if you are flying WN and have a female captain, she may be a world record holding aerobatics champion! The one I know has held that
53 EWRCabincrew: I worked a three day domestic trip a few years back where I was the only male. Female pilots and the two other female cabin crew. One of my most memor
54 Triple7man: I was on a UA flight LAX-DEN in 1995 and the captain was a woman. The f/o made all the announcements so probably the passengers didn't know there was
55 Mortyman: On a different type of equipment... Norwegian Solveig Krey became the first female commanding officer of a submarine in the world on 11th of september
56 DocLightning: What I find astonishing is what has happened to my field, medicine. Once an all-male field, today over 50% of medical students in the U.S. are female.
57 Jjeff: I was on a United flight recently where, after take off, the Captain introduced herself and then introduced the First Officer who was also her husband
58 Viscount724: President of the United States for one. Four of the five presidents prior to the current one were left-handed (Ford, Reagan, Bush (Sr.), Clinton), an
60 KLMCedric: Back in 2001 when I was still working for Sabena, I was F/A on a overnight BRU-TLV-BRU flight consisting of an all female flightdeck. During those pre
62 Wjv04: Wthat do you call the cockpit of an aircraft with two female pilots? The Box Office... I was told this by a female FO here at WS, when I noticed the f
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and she just flew with her first a all female flightdeck about a year ago. 
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This stupid (IMHO) subject comes up here on A.net about twice a year. 
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