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User currently offlineOswegobag From United States of America, joined Oct 2008, 169 posts, RR: 0
Posted (6 years 4 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 7959 times:

What is the expected "official" date of the Delta and Northwest merger? If there is no official date set, what is the approximate time-line?

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User currently offlineBobnwa From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 6516 posts, RR: 9
Reply 1, posted (6 years 4 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 7929 times:



Quoting Oswegobag (Thread starter):
What is the expected "official" date of the Delta and Northwest merger? If there is no official date set, what is the approximate time-line?

It has to be approved by the US government first. It is expected to be approved by the end of the year. Not sure what you mean by official date, once approved but DL/NW have both said it will be a rolling implementation, taking probably a year or more to complete.


User currently offlineMayor From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 10600 posts, RR: 14
Reply 2, posted (6 years 4 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 7857 times:

I believe they expect the ok from the DOJ, soon (whatever that means), and possibly the single operating certificate before the end of next year. The entire thing is probably a 2-3 year process.


"A committee is a group of the unprepared, appointed by the unwilling, to do the unnecessary"----Fred Allen
User currently offlineOswegobag From United States of America, joined Oct 2008, 169 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (6 years 4 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 7820 times:

Well the reason I asked is a more selfish one..... I have non-rev benefits on Delta through another carrier and I am looking to find out when I can fly non-rev on NW. As of now, I am aware that Delta employees can fly non-rev on NW but at this time I can not.

User currently offlineFlyDreamliner From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 2759 posts, RR: 15
Reply 4, posted (6 years 4 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 7807 times:

I think the question becomes when do the NW signs get taken down and replaced with DL signage and when do we see the last NW flight numbers replaced with DL ones?

When does NWA.com go offline and get replaced with delta.com?



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User currently offline1337Delta764 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 6632 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (6 years 4 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 7770 times:

If Obama is elected, this could really hurt the DL/NW merger. In addition, the Democratic Party traditionally favors unions, which DL wants to eliminate after buying out NW.


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User currently offlineMayor From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 10600 posts, RR: 14
Reply 6, posted (6 years 4 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 7705 times:



Quoting 1337Delta764 (Reply 5):
If Obama is elected, this could really hurt the DL/NW merger.

The okay will probably come before the new president takes office. I'm hearing rumors of it coming before Thanksgiving.



"A committee is a group of the unprepared, appointed by the unwilling, to do the unnecessary"----Fred Allen
User currently offline1337Delta764 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 6632 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (6 years 4 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 7656 times:



Quoting Mayor (Reply 6):
The okay will probably come before the new president takes office. I'm hearing rumors of it coming before Thanksgiving.

But what about the union issue? Delta can't simply deunionize the NW employees within a day, it would take some time. As I stated, the Democratic Party typically favors unions, which could hinder on Delta's integration of the NW employees.



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User currently offlineMayor From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 10600 posts, RR: 14
Reply 8, posted (6 years 4 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 7595 times:



Quoting 1337Delta764 (Reply 8):
But what about the union issue? Delta can't simply deunionize the NW employees within a day, it would take some time. As I stated, the Democratic Party typically favors unions, which could hinder on Delta's integration of the NW employees.

DL has stated that union integration will be decided by a vote, if necessary. If the majority decide they want a union, DL has said they will abide by that decision. They would, however, rather not have them. What the new administration feels about unions shouldn't make any difference as the DOJ will already have made their decision.



"A committee is a group of the unprepared, appointed by the unwilling, to do the unnecessary"----Fred Allen
User currently offlineReltney From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 204 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (6 years 4 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 7583 times:

Funny things on this thread. It is not a merger, it is a buyout. Yes I know, what the press says and the truth usually conflict and we know that but I want to slam them every chance I get.

Someone said it depends on government approval..Well, if the airlines really were deregulated, no government intervention/approvial would be needed. The airlines are NOT deregulated.

A marketing guy said in a pilot meeting, next year sometime the inter-airline agreement should be in place and hopefully by summer..



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User currently offlineBobnwa From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 6516 posts, RR: 9
Reply 10, posted (6 years 4 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 7567 times:



Quoting 1337Delta764 (Reply 8):
But what about the union issue? Delta can't simply deunionize the NW employees within a day, it would take some time. As I stated, the Democratic Party typically favors unions, which could hinder on Delta's integration of the NW employees.

As mentioned by two different members above, only the combined employees can get rid of a union or decide to have a union. The winning political party will have nothing to do with this. where did you get any idea other wise.?


User currently offlineGsosbee From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 825 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (6 years 4 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 7525 times:



Quoting Reltney (Reply 10):
Someone said it depends on government approval..Well, if the airlines really were deregulated, no government intervention/approvial would be needed. The airlines are NOT deregulated.

It is deregulated. If you want to start an airline and prove you can operate it safely, you get to fly.

In the United States, the DOJ reviews any merger in any industry for possible monopolistic concerns. Otherwise you would have at the most two choices and no competition. Just the way it is.


User currently offlineDALMD88 From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 2602 posts, RR: 15
Reply 12, posted (6 years 4 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 7125 times:

From the MTC side I think the union issue isn't going to last long. While I personally support the union concept I don't think there is enough support with DL rank and file. Honestly I don't think there is enough support among the NW mechanics either. Most of the NW mechanics were hired in 05 during the strike. Those guys don't even pay dues to AMFA. They are covered by the contract.
This contract will stay in effect until either the company tries to decertify the union (not going to happen), the national union decertifes (also not likely) or the members vote it out. So why would they vote it out? When the merger is final non contract empolyees are getting raises. The AMFA mechanics will only get the raises layed out in the contract. BTW they are near the bottom of the payscale already. So DL is waving a big carrot in front of the NW mechanics to vote out the union.


User currently offlineRwy04LGA From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 3176 posts, RR: 8
Reply 13, posted (6 years 4 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 7082 times:

November 23, but you didn't hear from me!

Quoting Oswegobag (Reply 3):
As of now, I am aware that Delta employees can fly non-rev on NW but at this time I can not.

Ready Reserve, huh? Me too, and I'm waiting for the same benefit.

[Edited 2008-10-28 15:43:35]


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User currently offlineDeltaL1011man From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 9672 posts, RR: 14
Reply 14, posted (6 years 4 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 7026 times:



Quoting Mayor (Reply 2):

I believe they expect the ok from the DOJ, soon (whatever that means), and possibly the single operating certificate before the end of next year. The entire thing is probably a 2-3 year process.

Should be around thanksgiving

Quoting FlyDreamliner (Reply 4):

I think the question becomes when do the NW signs get taken down and replaced with DL signage and when do we see the last NW flight numbers replaced with DL ones?

Nothing public yet

Quoting 1337Delta764 (Reply 5):

If Obama is elected, this could really hurt the DL/NW merger. In addition, the Democratic Party traditionally favors unions, which DL wants to eliminate after buying out NW.

No it can't

Quoting 1337Delta764 (Reply 7):
But what about the union issue? Delta can't simply deunionize the NW employees within a day, it would take some time. As I stated, the Democratic Party typically favors unions, which could hinder on Delta's integration of the NW employees.

Obama has nothing to do with it. They will vote. If yes then they will have a union if no then no union..



yep.
User currently offlineOOer From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 1488 posts, RR: 2
Reply 15, posted (6 years 4 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 7002 times:

Actually Obama being elected president has alot ot do with it!

Currently the NMB which oversees the union elections have 3 members on it, 2 appointed by the GOP and 1 by the minority. The Republicans don't support unions, ont the other side Obama does support unions. Also, if the democrats gain more seats in congress it could make it easier to pass the Employee Free Choice Act, which would make it easier for a union to be certified, actually it would just make it fair...


User currently offlineMayor From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 10600 posts, RR: 14
Reply 16, posted (6 years 4 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 6937 times:



Quoting OOer (Reply 15):
Currently the NMB which oversees the union elections have 3 members on it, 2 appointed by the GOP and 1 by the minority. The Republicans don't support unions, ont the other side Obama does support unions. Also, if the democrats gain more seats in congress it could make it easier to pass the Employee Free Choice Act, which would make it easier for a union to be certified, actually it would just make it fair...

If you look at the people on that board, most have been labor activists in the past. Hardly a slam dunk for the GOP.

As for the EFCA, it doesn't make it any more fair for either side. It just makes it easier for either side to see what your preference is and THAT shouldn't be.



"A committee is a group of the unprepared, appointed by the unwilling, to do the unnecessary"----Fred Allen
User currently offlineEvan767 From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 2957 posts, RR: 2
Reply 17, posted (6 years 4 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 6923 times:



Quoting Oswegobag (Reply 3):

Well the reason I asked is a more selfish one..... I have non-rev benefits on Delta through another carrier and I am looking to find out when I can fly non-rev on NW. As of now, I am aware that Delta employees can fly non-rev on NW but at this time I can not.

Interesting you say that. My brother also has benefits but, as an independent, he cannot nonrev on NW yet. He also wants to know when the pass benefits will be merged so that he can head to Southeast Asia.



The proper term is "on final" not "on finals" bud...
User currently offlineOOer From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 1488 posts, RR: 2
Reply 18, posted (6 years 4 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 6812 times:



Quoting Mayor (Reply 16):
If you look at the people on that board, most have been labor activists in the past. Hardly a slam dunk for the GOP.

Lets look at the members...


Read Van de Water, chairman

Graduated from Georgetown Law School
Worked on Capitol Hill
Northwest Airlines Director of Government Affairs
Nominated to the Dept. of transportation, was the Secretary of Aviation and International Affairs (2001-2003)
Appointed to the board by the Bush Admin in 2003



Elizabeth Dougherty, member

Undergrad at Duke, law school from Univ. of Virginia
Worked in NYC and D.C. as a labor and employment attorney
Worked as a labor and transportation and polichy advisor under the Bush Admin.
Appointed to the board 2 years ago by the Bush Admin.



Harry Hoglander, member

U.S. Air Force 30 years
Undergrad at Florida State Univ.
TWA pilot for about 30 years
former Chairman and President of ALPA
worked with congress on labor issues
has been on the board for 6 years




Obviously Mr. Hoaglander was appointed by the democrats, and obviously is pro union.

On the other hand, you have the chairman who pretty much sleeps with Northwest, she was a former director there and will be getting a pension from them....

And 3rd but not least Ms. Dougherty who has not worked a day in her life and worked for the Bush admin.


If its not a grand slam, I dont know what is!


User currently offlineRunway23 From US Minor Outlying Islands, joined Jan 2005, 2215 posts, RR: 35
Reply 19, posted (6 years 4 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 6780 times:



Quoting Rwy04LGA (Reply 13):
November 23, but you didn't hear from me!

I've heard that once, although I've also heard November 7.


User currently offlineBurnsie28 From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 7558 posts, RR: 8
Reply 20, posted (6 years 4 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 6679 times:



Quoting FlyDreamliner (Reply 4):
When does NWA.com go offline and get replaced with delta.com?

Well technically it will be delta.com going offline, basically just replace Delta logo's and names on the current nwa.com

Quoting DeltaL1011man (Reply 14):
Nothing public yet

Well they have said that the signs won't be overnight, it will be quite a while to get them all taken care of, and they are not that concerned right now with it either.

Quoting DeltaL1011man (Reply 14):
No it can't

Yeah it can, the President has the power to block any merger.



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User currently offlineDeltaL1011man From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 9672 posts, RR: 14
Reply 21, posted (6 years 4 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 6595 times:



Quoting Burnsie28 (Reply 20):
Yeah it can, the President has the power to block any merger.

will be done by Nov. Bush and friend will let it happen...................Obama will have no say so in the the matter.

Quoting Burnsie28 (Reply 20):
Well they have said that the signs won't be overnight, it will be quite a while to get them all taken care of, and they are not that concerned right now with it either.

Right they want to get all the IT stuff done first. I think the plan is to start the front line stuff around the 3 month mark.



yep.
User currently offlineEngineergreg From United States of America, joined Sep 2006, 38 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (6 years 4 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 6377 times:



Quoting Reltney (Reply 9):
It is not a merger, it is a buyout.

Wrong. When company A buys out company B, company B is said to have merged with company A. Company A still exist, company B does not as it has legally become a part of company A.


User currently offlineOOer From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 1488 posts, RR: 2
Reply 23, posted (6 years 4 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 6278 times:

Actually Delta Airlines is acquiring Northwest Airlines. Once the merger closes Northwest Airlines will become a subsidiary of Delta Airlines until the 2 operate under 1 certificate.

User currently offlineXdlx From United States of America, joined Aug 2008, 682 posts, RR: 1
Reply 24, posted (6 years 4 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 6231 times:

My vote DOJ will approve on Nov 21, or Nov 25. Just before the holidays.

25 FlyDreamliner : Fair enough, but it will still be at Delta.com. Any date for it?
26 DeltaL1011man : Which is what is happening. It is a buyout just a non-cash buy out Air Lines
27 OOer : Oh come on give me a break!!!!
28 Floridaflyboy : Look, folks, It's pretty much a done deal. All the NWA stations just received big posters to be put up in the next week or so that say "Delta/NWA, No
29 PSU.DTW.SCE : General timeline (as most recently communicated) Oct 28 (Today) - NW & DL begin reciprical elite upgrades Nov 08 - DOJ approval Late Nov 08 - Day 0 /
30 Post contains links CV880 : From the ATL Business Journal. Many DL Executives to leave. Merger may be approved as soon as next week. Link to article. http://www.bizjournals.com/
31 Nwarooster : After the "merger" the mechanics will be required to hold an union representation election as the mechanics, all 985, are represented by what is left
32 Ktrick45 : It's a merger. The owners of NW become owners of DL. They'll have shareholder votes. That's a merger. It's been a few decades since I took Economics
33 DALMD88 : Yes it is coming soon. Today on Deltanet there was a blurb about setting up your new Fidelity account for the stock you will be getting when the merge
34 Clipper707 : If this helps any, Delta had people @ our airport measuring the NW signs a few weeks ago. And my wife non-rev'd from BDL this past weekend on NW and D
35 Flyibaby : I never liked Math, but Bush has been in office for 8 years. Hoglander as you say has only been on the board for 6. Now you do the math.............
36 OOer : 2 members of the board are appointed by the Bush Admin, 1 get appointed by the minority. Yes, Mr. Hoaglander was appointed by the minority during the
37 Mayor : How do you figure this? Looks like she worked as a LABOR and employment attorney in D.C.
38 Brilondon : Why would Obama have any thing to do with the DOJ. I thought that the DOJ was part of the Judiciary Branch of Government. Obama is in the Executive b
39 MasseyBrown : The DOJ is headed by the US Attorney General, who is appointed by the President. The department is very political, basically deciding when, how, and
40 CatIII : Probably because of the whole "card check" issue that the Democratic leadership in the Congress has been talking about moving as one of their first p
41 Reltney : Your correct. It is regulated! "the DOJ reviews any merger in any industry for possible monopolistic concerns". That is regulation and it is clearly
42 Reltney : Hey ktrick45 , I agree with the defination 100% but Delta and NW call it a buyout in my intercompany memos. Call and tell them. Cheers
43 NWAESC : Not all of them... We haven't seen any of those here? We're still hiring for both the ramp and counter as of today. BDL was previously outsourced for
44 Floridaflyboy : They'll be coming shortly. EAU, STC, ATY, and a few others have them for sure, and that's just the Mesaba stations I've been to in the last couple da
45 Ktrick45 : I wonder if any of them remember Economics 101? Seems to be something of problem industry-wide these days, and in things more significant than termin
46 Flashmeister : Is this still true now that Deltamatic is back in the drivers seat? According to the latest PlaneBusiness, the transition to PARS proved too costly a
47 NWAESC : I take it you work at DL? It's interesting that on that side it's called a "buyout," but on all the memos I get (at NW), it's called a merger.
48 Burnsie28 : But the point is you said Obama had nothing to do with it, and their is no guarantee for it to be done by the end of November. But you said nothing w
49 CatIII : It's Delta only in name...
50 AAflyguy : DOJ officially approved the merger, announced just a few minutes ago..
51 Post contains links Srbmod : And on that note, please continue the discussion here: http://www.airliners.net/aviation-fo...eneral_aviation/read.main/4195606/
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