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747-8 Takes Shape (pic)  
User currently offlineIAD787 From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 502 posts, RR: 44
Posted (5 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 26786 times:

Hey All,

Picked this gem out of the Spirit 3Q earnings call this morning. Looks like they've completed fabrication of the upper lobe of section 41 of the first 747-8F. In English, that means the window section of the iconic 747 hump is ready to go. It doesn't look much different from the 747-400, but it sure is progress. McNerney warned last week of the challenges to the 747-8 schedule. As I see it, most of it is engineering related because of the resources that 787 is getting. Funny really, the 747 has always gotten the short end of the stick whether it was SST in the late 1960s or 787 now. Can't wait to see her all put together next year.

Pic:
http://www.flightglobal.com/blogs/fl.../7478-takes-shape-with-spirit.html

Onward,

IAD787


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User currently offlineRicciPettit From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (5 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 26758 times:

Finally!

I've been waiting a long time for any image of some major parts produced for this aircraft.


User currently offlineAcey559 From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 1529 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (5 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 26516 times:

From that angle it looks just like a -400. Are there any structural differences between the -400 and the 8 in that part of the fuselage? Looks great, though, and congrats to Boeing!

User currently offlineDaleaholic From UK - England, joined Oct 2005, 3207 posts, RR: 13
Reply 3, posted (5 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 26370 times:

Does just look like a -400 to me. Well done to Boeing for further developing the 747 but I do think they should've concentrated more on getting the 787 ready for service.


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User currently offlineDanfearn77 From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2008, 1812 posts, RR: 9
Reply 4, posted (5 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 26206 times:



Quoting Daleaholic (Reply 3):
Does just look like a -400 to me. Well done to Boeing for further developing the 747 but I do think they should've concentrated more on getting the 787 ready for service.

Totally agree, especially when you consider the backlog for each aircraft. Maybe as the 787 has sold so well they are now trying to get a prototype 748 ready asap to show to the world to gain more orders.



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User currently offlineWILCO737 From Greenland, joined Jun 2004, 8991 posts, RR: 76
Reply 5, posted (5 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 26134 times:
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Thank you for posting this information and the picture. Made my day  bigthumbsup 

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User currently offlineAcey559 From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 1529 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (5 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 26078 times:



Quoting WILCO737 (Reply 5):

Will you be getting behind the controls of this beast, Wilco?  Smile


User currently offlineWILCO737 From Greenland, joined Jun 2004, 8991 posts, RR: 76
Reply 7, posted (5 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 26055 times:
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Quoting Acey559 (Reply 6):
Will you be getting behind the controls of this beast, Wilco? Smile

I hope so Big grin

I hope she is really as beautiful as the 744. I am a big fan of the 744 and I am sure I will be a big fan of the 748 as well.

We should make a SEA 748i meet soon Big grin

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User currently offlineERAUgrad02 From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 1227 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (5 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 25985 times:



Quoting Daleaholic (Reply 3):
Does just look like a -400 to me.

Looks like they updated the Windsheild to look more in tune with 787 design.

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User currently offlinePC12Fan From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 2431 posts, RR: 5
Reply 9, posted (5 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 25911 times:



Quoting ERAUgrad02 (Reply 8):

Must be the angle, it's virtually identical to previous models.



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User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 30855 posts, RR: 86
Reply 10, posted (5 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 25675 times:
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I can't remember (been awhile since I walked the floor), but do 747-400 Section 41's arrive complete? I know there are jigs at PAE for doing internal fittings, but I cannot recall if the 41's arrive complete or if they are built in the jigs.

User currently offlineKFLLCFII From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 3301 posts, RR: 30
Reply 11, posted (5 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 25081 times:

At this rate, we might just see a 748 in the air before a 787.  Silly


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User currently offlineThierryD From Luxembourg, joined Dec 2005, 2069 posts, RR: 51
Reply 12, posted (5 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 24075 times:
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Quoting WILCO737 (Reply 7):
Will you be getting behind the controls of this beast, Wilco? Smile


I hope so

I bet I'll be there first! Big grin
As launch customer we're getting ours before anybody else does.  Smile

Thierry



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User currently offlineManfredj From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 1132 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (5 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 23005 times:



Quoting WILCO737 (Reply 5):
Thank you for posting this information and the picture. Made my day

That makes two of us.

I see no problem with starting the 748 project whilst the 787 is still underway. My guess is most of the people working on her (748) came off the classics and are not privy to what's going on over at the 787 building.

Quoting ERAUgrad02 (Reply 8):

Hey ERAU...was just looking at your profile...was wondering if we graduated the same year...spring 2002 class?



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User currently offlineIsitsafenow From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 4984 posts, RR: 23
Reply 14, posted (5 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 22458 times:

At Everett OCT 10th, a Boeing spokesperson told me the new wing is at Boeing, but not yet assembled because of the strike. My understanding it is a different wing than the 400 like the 737NG's have a different wing than the older 737's.
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User currently offlineEk773er From Greece, joined Oct 2008, 49 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (5 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 22028 times:

Way to go Boeing!!! Great news ....
But can anyone answer the authors question :
"Does the General Electric GEnx-1B engine have to fly on 787 before the GEnx-2B engine can fly on the 747-8F"?


User currently offlineJadawin From Australia, joined Oct 2008, 4 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (5 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 21652 times:

It is interesting to note that a number of people have said that the image of the lobe sections looks like a 747-400 lobe section. The picture in the article is of a 748F -- shouldn't the lobe section look closer to a 741 or 742? I just saying this because the drawings we have of the 748F dont show an extended upper deck - such as appears on the 743, 744, 748I.

Personally i think the picture looks like a 742 - the lobe doesn't look long enough to be a 744
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User currently offlinePC12Fan From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 2431 posts, RR: 5
Reply 17, posted (5 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 21471 times:



Quoting Jadawin (Reply 16):
Personally i think the picture looks like a 742 - the lobe doesn't look long enough to be a 744

Keep in mind that the first 748 built will be a freighter, so it will have the same upper deck as the -100/200's.



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User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 30855 posts, RR: 86
Reply 18, posted (5 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 20533 times:
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Quoting Jadawin (Reply 16):
It is interesting to note that a number of people have said that the image of the lobe sections looks like a 747-400 lobe section. The picture in the article is of a 748F -- shouldn't the lobe section look closer to a 741 or 742?

The 744F also has a short upper deck.


User currently offlineWarren747sp From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 1156 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (5 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 20403 times:

Can't wait to fly the passenger version! Definitely book the premire flight with LH. W


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User currently offlineNomadd22 From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 1846 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (5 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 20084 times:

The day the 748 flies I'll finally forgive Boeing for building the SP.


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User currently offlineAndhen From Norway, joined Dec 2006, 81 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (5 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 19388 times:

The timeline in the link, says that major assembly should start in early 2008.. Well, now major structures, like the one in the picture are getting off the factory floor, that suggests we already have a delay of 1/2 year, at least..

andhen



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User currently offlineFlyLKU From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 804 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (5 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 18642 times:

It will be interesting to see which aircraft, the 747-8 or the A380, looks larger. Clearly the A380 is the larger of the two but the -8 is 250 ft long versus the A380's 238 ft. This may create the illusion, from some angles, of the -8 being larger although the A380's wing is 261 ft versus the -8's 224.

...can't wait to see.



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User currently offlineJAL From Canada, joined Apr 2000, 5083 posts, RR: 8
Reply 23, posted (5 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 18588 times:

Looking forward to seeing the new 747 in person!


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User currently offlineTropicBird From United States of America, joined May 2005, 502 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (5 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 15965 times:

Anyone know what percentage of the 747-8 is built in the USA?

25 Upcfordcruiser : Sorry if I'm behind the times... did they ever decide if it'll be a dedicated freighter or will a pax version be made?
26 YULWinterSkies : Correct. Bottom line is: it is still a 747, therefore it looks like a 747! Well, orders for the pax version are few but not nil, and nothing has been
27 Stitch : The passenger version has 28 orders and 4 MoUs to date, so while at least forum member believes it should be or will be canceled, such an outcome app
28 Warren747sp : Re-Reply 20 What is wrong with the SP. It is like the only airliners besides the Concorde that can cruise at close to FT450 not to mention all the wor
29 Tdscanuck : In the freighter, I don't think so, except maybe the windows (not sure about that). On the passenger version, I think the plug is in the hump area, s
30 ADent : The GEnx-1B was certified early 2008. I don't think the improved -1B is re-certified yet. The -2B is not yet certified, but was planned to be so by ea
31 American 767 : And none has ever crashed. It was a great airplane at its time in the 70's and 80's. Until the 400 arrived in the late 80's, the SP could fly nonstop
32 Zeke : I remember the 744 cockpit was but by Boeing just near where the new 747-8 spar jig was placed, looks like even more outsourcing by Boeing on the 747-
33 Liedetectors : Not true - Spirit (formerly Boeing) Wichita has always built the cockpit section of the 747. They do not however build the entire Section 41, which as
34 Stratofortress : Can anybody explain how certain sections got their number e.g. Section 41 etc. Also, why are there missing sections e.g. 43, 45? Thanks.
35 Post contains images CCA : Can't remember why but the 747 goes Section 41/42/44/46/48 which is basically the nose (41) / fwd of wings (42) / wings and wheel well (44) / aft sect
36 Isitsafenow : Lufthansa ordered 12 pax 800's. safe
37 Stitch : Their order is for 20 firm with 20 options.
38 Isitsafenow : thankyouverymuch for that...I got 12 at Everett a couple of weeks back but I like 20 better. More $$$ in it. safe
39 Khobar : Major assembly started Aug. 8, 2008.
40 Zeke : 4 feet below the cockpit window would not be in the cockpit would it ? Of what, wheels, engines, spar ? I do not expect to see the 747-8 to fly in 20
41 Dynamicsguy : Of what, wheels, engines, spar ? Final assembly began when the first wing spar was loaded into the assembly tooling.
42 Pdxcessna206 : That is going to be one good-looking airplane. With the bigger engines and longer fuselage, that plane is going to make heads turn. It will be strikin
43 RicciPettit : I never said that.
44 Kimberlyrj : Really? I mean as Sir Branson as have many other people, the Boeing 747 is a great aircraft but she sure is ugly. I work on the B744 most weeks and I
45 RussianJet : I'm sure it will look awesome when it's built, and the 747 has always been a beautiful aircraft. However, I can't get too excited about this - as many
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