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Tail Strike, What Does It Sound Like As Pax?  
User currently offlineReadytotaxi From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2006, 3262 posts, RR: 2
Posted (5 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 16660 times:

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What does it sound like in the cabin? any A.netter experienced this?


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User currently offlineRussianJet From Belgium, joined Jul 2007, 7703 posts, RR: 21
Reply 1, posted (5 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 16613 times:
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Surprised this hasn't been commented on yet. I dread to think what kind of noise that must make, and I expect it can sound pretty horrendous to pax inside. Not something I want to experience.


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User currently offlineArcrftLvr From United States of America, joined Nov 2006, 826 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (5 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 16555 times:

Does the 777 have a skid plate? I can't seem to recall.

User currently offlineOsiris30 From Barbados, joined Sep 2006, 3192 posts, RR: 25
Reply 3, posted (5 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 16511 times:



Quoting ArcrftLvr (Reply 2):
Does the 777 have a skid plate? I can't seem to recall.

If it does that particular 777 doesn't anymore.. wow...



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User currently offlineArcrftLvr From United States of America, joined Nov 2006, 826 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (5 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 16501 times:



Quoting Osiris30 (Reply 3):
If it does that particular 777 doesn't anymore.. wow...

Well, I was thinking if it didn't, wouldn't you see sparks where the tail contacts the runway?


User currently offlineDL767captain From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 2539 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (5 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 16485 times:

was that landing or taking off?

User currently offlineB747forever From Sweden, joined May 2007, 17066 posts, RR: 10
Reply 6, posted (5 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 16447 times:



Quoting DL767captain (Reply 5):
was that landing or taking off?

Tail strikes (usual) happens during take off.



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User currently offlineMD88Captain From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 1330 posts, RR: 20
Reply 7, posted (5 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 16438 times:

It doesn't sound like much over the scream of the engines. Usually the FA's will call up and say they heard a scraping sound on takeoff. The normally pilots will not hear it, but they may sense it. I've had dozens of takeoffs where I have wondered how close we got to the tail because of the conduct of the rotation or the response of the aircraft. Thankfully I have not been invloved with a tailskid strike yet. But the guys that have (common on a 727) usually heard about it from the FA in the aft jumpseat.

User currently offlineJezUK77 From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2006, 35 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (5 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 16419 times:

Jees...that looks a bit firm! It seems there is another plane on the photo! They must have a good view!

I can only think of a metal scraping noise but I doubt anyone would hear unless you were parked right at the back of the plane!

Anyone know the airport? My guess must be ZRH!

Still must be quite a steep landing! Surely as a passenger you'd notice you are pointing almost to the sky on touchdown right?

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User currently offlineArcrftLvr From United States of America, joined Nov 2006, 826 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (5 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 16237 times:



Quoting DL767captain (Reply 5):
was that landing or taking off?

Since most tail strikes occur during landing, I would asume this particular aircraft was landing. Also, the angle looks to steep to be landing.


User currently offlineTupolevTu154 From Germany, joined Aug 2004, 2185 posts, RR: 27
Reply 10, posted (5 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 16200 times:



Quoting ArcrftLvr (Reply 9):
Since most tail strikes occur during landing, I would asume this particular aircraft was landing. Also, the angle looks to steep to be landing.

I think I remember reading about this particular tail strike in the past. It was departing (See flap angle) and it was indeed at ZRH.


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User currently offlineSoxfan From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 865 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (5 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 16200 times:

How often would you say tailstrikes occur? How much of an impact do they tend to have on a plane's takeoff or landing?


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User currently offlineAcey559 From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 1532 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (5 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 16155 times:

I've had a couple tailstrikes in C172s trying to drag the plane in during flight team practices. Thankfully the 172s have that little tiedown ring in the tail that absorbs the shock. I've never had anything bad, but you can hear a faint scraping sound on the concrete.

User currently onlineSOBHI51 From Saudi Arabia, joined Jun 2003, 3477 posts, RR: 17
Reply 13, posted (5 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 16143 times:
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Quoting ArcrftLvr (Reply 9):
Since most tail strikes occur during landing

From what i know 85% of tail strikes do happen on take off.



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User currently offlineTXJim From United States of America, joined May 2008, 242 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (5 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 16144 times:

A friend of mine was on Delta flight 47 when it suffered a tailstrike in Moscow. He actually was unaware of the event until it was reported over the PA and they started dumping fuel.

User currently offlineDfanucci From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 215 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (5 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 16133 times:

I was a PAX on an Air France 707 (that should age me) that striked the tail on take off leaving Houston. In a word, it scared the living hell out of myself and every other passenger on board. The sound is not something you can easily describe, but it is one I've never forgotton.

On the flip side, I had some fantastic views of the Gulf as we dumped fuel in order to land....


User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 25332 posts, RR: 22
Reply 16, posted (5 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 16077 times:



Quoting TupolevTu154 (Reply 10):
I think I remember reading about this particular tail strike in the past. It was departing (See flap angle) and it was indeed at ZRH.

After dumping fuel for about 40 minutes it returned for an emergency landing.


User currently offlineArcrftLvr From United States of America, joined Nov 2006, 826 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (5 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 15975 times:



Quoting SOBHI51 (Reply 13):
From what i know 85% of tail strikes do happen on take off.

I don't know what I was thinking. I meant to say on take off, not landing....


User currently offline474218 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 6340 posts, RR: 9
Reply 18, posted (5 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 15765 times:



Quoting B747forever (Reply 6):
Tail strikes (usual) happens during take off.



Quoting ArcrftLvr (Reply 9):
Since most tail strikes occur during landing, I would asume this particular aircraft was landing. Also, the angle looks to steep to be landing.



Quoting SOBHI51 (Reply 13):
From what i know 85% of tail strikes do happen on take off.

It depends on the aircraft type, I worked a dozen tail strikes on L-1011's and everyone happened on landing. Boeing and Airbus aircraft appear to have more on takeoff.

As for the original question, most passengers never hear a thing.


User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 19708 posts, RR: 58
Reply 19, posted (5 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 15740 times:

So what happens to the PIC after such an event?

I can't imagine you fire a perfectly good pilot because he goofed once.


User currently offlineTheCheese From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 210 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (5 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 15646 times:
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Quoting DocLightning (Reply 19):

I can't imagine you fire a perfectly good pilot because he goofed once.

Probably not a firing offense at most airlines, but you can bet that whomever was at the stick is going to be in for some "quality time" with the simulator in the near future.


User currently offlineLawnDart From United States of America, joined May 2005, 970 posts, RR: 3
Reply 21, posted (5 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 15544 times:



Quoting MD88Captain (Reply 7):
It doesn't sound like much over the scream of the engines. Usually the FA's will call up and say they heard a scraping sound on takeoff. The normally pilots will not hear it, but they may sense it.

I was sitting at the back of a 727-200 that tail struck on take-off...it sounded like one of the engines exploded, only the noise came from the bottom of the aircraft, not from the direction of the engines.

Sat at the front of a 767-300 that tail struck on landing...didn't know it had happened until I heard the F/As talking about it on the interphone on taxi in...

Quoting Dfanucci (Reply 15):
The sound is not something you can easily describe, but it is one I've never forgotton.

Agree - the 727 sounded pretty horrific...imagine aluminum striking and dragging along concrete at 140mph...lasted about 3-4 seconds only, but that was enough!


User currently offlineAcNDTTech From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 338 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (5 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 15478 times:



Quoting LawnDart (Reply 21):
I was sitting at the back of a 727-200 that tail struck on take-off

Me too.....but it didn't freak me out. It happened so fast - just a loud, dragging crunch for maybe a second or two.


User currently offlineJetJeanes From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 1431 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (5 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 15350 times:

Ive had 2 both in dc-8,s one on a delta in their later generation dc-8 and wasnt that bad just a quick scrap, but the second one was on a dc-8 freighter as a few pallets either moved
or the cg was screwd up but the plane began a loud scapeing noise and i was in the front jumpseat We almost got airborne when the captn slammed the nose down and reversed the engines Like a dummy i wasnt strapped in and hit the floor. He was pissed because he said their was a cookie sheet loose that slid or it was way out of cg. We taxied back to the ramp ,he looked the plane over makeing a bigger deal than it really was and cancelled the flight to the hub that night until it could be checked further in daylight and he raised three shades of hell with the ground crew ..... Most of the freight was unloaded and moved commercial airlines the next am..

I went out there and sure enough it had the living hell scratched under there and looked like it may have heated up like small burn spots, It had a hook for a tail stand and it had been
scratched that far back,,



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User currently offlineTdscanuck From Canada, joined Jan 2006, 12709 posts, RR: 79
Reply 24, posted (5 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 15317 times:



Quoting Soxfan (Reply 11):
How much of an impact do they tend to have on a plane's takeoff or landing?

Not much...there isn't a tremendous amount of force involved and, unless the pilot rotated early, they've got enough lift to take off (they just rotated too quickly and too far).

The issue is potential damage to the rear pressure bulkhead. Normal guidance is to not pressurize the aircraft and return for landing when safe to do so.

Tom.


25 777DadandJr : I thought the T7s had a system that prevented over-rotation. mac
26 FlyLKU : I believe a common cause for what is an uncommon event is an improper flap setting. A friend who flew the 727 said that if you did not dial in enough
27 Divemaster08 : interesting topic however i wonder what is the main procedures on the ground for a tail strike? (it seems that in the air, the aircraft makes a return
28 DrP : At my airline, the pilots are grounded immediately, pending investigation. Then the flight data recorded is analyzed to find who is at fault (have ha
29 Jalapeno : It seems to be the common result is to dump the fuel and return immediately, is this true for most tail strikes?
30 Airplanenut : The newer ones (at least the -300) do. It depends on the cause of the tailstrike. If a pilot isn't paying attention and over-rotates, then they could
31 JAAlbert : I thought I read that the 773 has a tail strike strip to prevent damage. Is that true?
32 LY4XELD : The 777-200 does not have a skid plate. It has a proximity warning system. Generally, all stretched Boeing airplanes have tail skid protection device
33 727forever : Um well it really is a big deal particularly if the airplane was trying to rotate before the crew initiated the rotation. I would say that the Captai
34 Coa747 : Didn't Singapore have a particullary bad one going out of Auckland a few years back in a 747-400 in which they ripped the guts out of the rear of the
35 2H4 : If I'm not mistaken, the system locks the MLG trucks in place during rotation, providing a bit more tail clearance. Yes, particularly improper recove
36 Post contains links and images 2H4 : By the way, here's what the result of a 747-200 tailstrike can look like: This apparently happened three days ago to a Cargo B 747-200F at Brussels. H
37 YYZYYT : Interesting info - I've wonderd what a tail strike would sound like. Have there ever been instances where the crew does not know of the tail strike? t
38 LMML 14/32 : In my 30 years of flying i have never experienced a tail strike, thankfully. But i had two burst tyres on take off. From my from my front seat I did n
39 ComairGuyCVG : I saw an ASA ATR-72 stike the tail in TRI on landing one night. Could easily see the sparks. Just lasted for about 1 second. Was a crazy sight.
40 Access-Air : How soon we forget the JAL 747 that crashed a while back was the result of a tail scrape on landing that damaged the rear pressure bulkhead and when i
41 Musapapaya : A few years ago a CX Airbus aircraft suffered a tailstrike in AKL, however they elected to carry on to HKG. I dont know what happened but I think it
42 Mah584jr : My thinking is that because the L-1011 and 727 have tail mounted engines, the center of gravity is further aft. This can make taking off or landing a
43 2H4 : Further aft relative to what? 2H4
44 4holer : Didn't the 727 have a little wheel that came out at takeoff to prevent tailstrike damage?
45 Prebennorholm : The sound of a tailstrike is the same as the sound of burning a hefty stack of $100 notes.
46 AcNDTTech : LOL.....and call me out to do an eddy current inspection.
47 UA772IAD : It typically occurs if the pilot is qualified to fly a particular family. For example, an A321 is particularly prone to tailskid strikes, if the pilo
48 B747forever : Isnt that crash where like several hundreds died??
49 MHTripple7 : I believe there was also an MU A340 that had a tailstrike departing LHR for PVG. I'm pretty sure they elected to continue onto PVG
50 DualQual : The 727-200 had a tail-skid similar to what you see on current 737-400/800/900. Also 757-300, 767-300/400.
51 Tdscanuck : Some have an electronic tail skid, but I don't think they all do. Given typical rotation rates and inertia, by the time you're in proximity you're to
52 Burnsie28 : If you tail strike on landing you have a lot more to worry about than a little scrape.
53 RussianJet : Sigh. Relative to aircraft that don't have tail-mounted engines. The implication is clear. Not heard of that, but I think the IL-62 tail stand wheel
54 HAWK21M : The B777 does have a tail skid. regds MEL
55 LY4XELD : Not all of them. The 777-200's only have a detection system, no skid "plate". The stretched 777's have a skid protection device.
56 Tdscanuck : Well, no, it's not. Relative to the main gear? Relative to the MAC? Relative to the nose? Aircraft with tail-mounted engines have their gear farther
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