Cle757 From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 1017 posts, RR: 0 Reply 1, posted (4 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 4146 times:
PanAm330 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 2601 posts, RR: 10 Reply 2, posted (4 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 3995 times:
Saxman66 From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 518 posts, RR: 0 Reply 3, posted (4 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 3995 times:
SAN?? That has been all RJ's for a long time. Thats just a one time thing probably. And how about ABQ? I know there was one flight a day. But I haven't checked on that in a while.
PS: Wow, SAN I was thinking San Antonio! Nevermind on that one. All those "San's" mix me up.
FLYjoe From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 250 posts, RR: 0 Reply 4, posted (4 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 3965 times:
SWA TPA From United States of America, joined Aug 2001, 1559 posts, RR: 43 Reply 5, posted (4 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 3957 times:
What about TPA? Did they discontinue CVG-TPA as well?
FlyASAGuy2005 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 6519 posts, RR: 11 Reply 7, posted (4 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 3940 times:
Someone comented in hte merger approval thread that they see CVG going down to 20 mainline flights by mid 2009. But, that was before someone stated that CVG only has 41 mainline (might have been you OOer).
In retrospect, anyone think that it could happen that fast? Personally, I think it can.
Let the exodust to Detroit begin...
CAM2:"Lightning coming out of that one." CAM1: "What?"
OOer From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 1395 posts, RR: 2 Reply 8, posted (4 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 3909 times:
Quoting FlyASAGuy2005 (Reply 7): CVG going down to 20 mainline flights by mid 2009
I said by fall of 2009...which is more like the end of 2009.
PanAm330 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 2601 posts, RR: 10 Reply 10, posted (4 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 3867 times:
Alright, here's all the mainline flights ex-CVG according to Delta.com's schedules (some flights operate less than daily):
BinMonster From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 215 posts, RR: 0 Reply 11, posted (4 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 3825 times:
CVG still has quite a bit of feed, some dupes due to diff ops per day of wek
Cubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 21242 posts, RR: 19 Reply 12, posted (4 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 3727 times:
Flavio340 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 180 posts, RR: 0 Reply 13, posted (4 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 3723 times:
That's funny because by my calculations MEM has about the same for NWA.
MEM right now has around 240 flights a day, or each city served out of MEM has about 2.3 flights a day. It looks like CVG and MEM are just about equal, interesting to see what happens in the next year.
Cubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 21242 posts, RR: 19 Reply 14, posted (4 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 3717 times:
Well, the editing function sucks, but I missed 2 stations in the list above. There are also 2 MCO flights and one to TPA, so the current count is 49.
I can't decide whether I miss the tulip or the bowling shoe more
OOer From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 1395 posts, RR: 2 Reply 15, posted (4 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 3661 times:
Will Delta lower costs if some/most of these RJs go to DTW instead of CVG?
Or better yet....instead of having...
2xCRJ CVG-XYZ + 2xCR7 CVG-XYZ
&
4xCRJ DTW-XYZ
or
2xA319 + 3xCR7 DTW-XYZ
Obviously the CVG market is MUCH smaller than DTW, and DTW already offers MANY...MANY more destinations than CVG so it would make more sense to "consolidate" the 2 operations to DTW than CVG. Right?
AvConsultant From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 1360 posts, RR: 3 Reply 16, posted (4 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 3479 times:
Quoting OOer (Reply 15): Obviously the CVG market is MUCH smaller than DTW, and DTW already offers MANY...MANY more destinations than CVG so it would make more sense to "consolidate" the 2 operations to DTW than CVG. Right?
While CVG has a large MSA population, as pointed out on here, CVG has limited O&D. DL has a limited number of "early departures"thus signaling CVG lack of local travel. Where DTW is a different market.
Skibum9 From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 1229 posts, RR: 0 Reply 17, posted (4 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 3370 times:
Quoting AvConsultant (Reply 16): While CVG has a large MSA population, as pointed out on here, CVG has limited O&D. DL has a limited number of "early departures"thus signaling CVG lack of local travel. Where DTW is a different market.
Av, we have gone back and forth on this many times and you have made it clear that you have a personal dislike for CVG and Cincinnati, but it is important to note the reason that CVG has limited O&D. That is that its rates, as published yesterday, are the highest in the country, in fact 69% higher than the average ticket price in the country. The market is different because DL made it that way with their outrageous pricing. So a huge chunk of the O&D that would typically fly out of CVG goes elsewhere. Making a broad statement that CVG has limited O&D and lacks local travel is just wrong.
OOer From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 1395 posts, RR: 2 Reply 18, posted (4 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 3311 times:
Quoting Skibum9 (Reply 17): Making a broad statement that CVG has limited O&D and lacks local travel is just wrong.
Its not wrong, its a fact. CVG lacks the O&D to be a hub after this merger. Not only does it lack O&D but its proximity to DTW makes it a likely candidate to be de-hubbed. CVG should, and probably will still be a focus city for DL however dont expect more than 20-25 mainline flights and maybe 50-60 DLC flights. It will still serve all the primary markets and some secondary markets...but expect more cuts at CVG within the next 15-18 months.
Skibum9 From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 1229 posts, RR: 0 Reply 19, posted (4 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 3296 times:
I am not disputing that it lacks the O&D to be a hub. When it was designed, it was meant to be a connecting hub. The industry dynamics have changed since it was hubbed and I agree that it will be de-hubbed. However the O&D numbers that everyone on this board use are very misleading. And when it is dehubbed, I believe that there will be ample opportunity for competition to come in, over due time once the economy straightens out. When that happens, you will see prices come down and actually see O&D significantly increase at CVG.
AcNDTTech From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 338 posts, RR: 0 Reply 20, posted (4 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 3255 times:
As for the prices, I bought a RT ticket SAV-CVG for the Christmas holiday for about $300.00 on a carrier other than DL. DL's fare was almost $500.00 at the time. That is why the folks in the 'nati will drive 100 miles - to save $200.00. Back in June, I drove to JAX and flew into IND for a RT under $200.00.......us people from Cincinnati, just like to spend our $$$ on fun stuff - $200.00+ saved, is $200.00+ that we can spend having more fun with. For a family of 4, that is the difference in a day at the beach vs. a day at Disney World.
Cubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 21242 posts, RR: 19 Reply 21, posted (4 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 3185 times:
Quoting Skibum9 (Reply 17): The market is different because DL made it that way with their outrageous pricing.
Interestingly, though, DL seemingly feels that they have no choice. If they did, wouldn't Simplifares still be around?
I can't decide whether I miss the tulip or the bowling shoe more
MaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 15728 posts, RR: 47 Reply 22, posted (4 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 3125 times:
Quoting OOer (Reply 18): CVG lacks the O&D to be a hub after this merger. Not only does it lack O&D but its proximity to DTW makes it a likely candidate to be de-hubbed.
It also just lost about 10 daily roundtrips today for JAN-APR09, half of them mainline
Mason From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 747 posts, RR: 1 Reply 23, posted (4 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 3083 times:
I thought DL had CVG-PDX service, maybe it's just seasonal.
OOer From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 1395 posts, RR: 2 Reply 24, posted (4 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 2957 times:
Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 22): It also just lost about 10 daily roundtrips today for JAN-APR09, half of them mainline
Really....do we have a link to anything or just thats whats loaded??? What are they???
25 MaverickM11: Just what was loaded today...it's pretty much across the board; nothing is cut outright I don't think. Departures are down about 4% in March for inst
26 Skibum9: That's right...the almighty DL is always right! How can so many people on this board just drink the DL koolaid? Funny how simplifares worked in Cinci
27 Cubsrule: If DL made more money in CVG with Simplifares than without, they'd still be around. That's really not debatable. I don't see how that makes me a Kool
28 Skibum9: I was refering to your comment that DL felt it was right. The fact is, the whole Mullen era was riddled with many bad decisions. Since then, they have
29 Cubsrule: Apology accepted, and don't worry about it. I'm not one of them (and I have the battle scars from W/T to prove it). I think DL's mistake, more than a
30 EXAAUADL: more than 1/2 of AA's flights at STL go to another AA hub, add in focus cities LGA, BOS and LAX and there is nearly no AA mainline left at STL.
31 Cubsrule: AA isn't US, though. It has hubs and focus cities in places that people actually want to fly to, so I'm not sure how relevant that is... TW had 11 fl
32 AvConsultant: Skibum9 when I commenting on CVG, you almost like an ex-girlfriend who pops out of no where. Now all joking aside, you need to recall we agreed toget
33 Skibum9: See my note to cubsrule where I say that DL has put CVG into a death spiral, which is in line with your comments. It all started when DL over relied
34 AcNDTTech: I'll take some too.....they quit selling it a Wal-Mart here in SAV.
35 AvConsultant: OK,,,,,,I understand what you are saying. Again, the demand from CVG is not a constant. I think a creative scheduling model would work geared towards
36 Airnerd: Was cancelled this fall I think. Used to be on 763s. It's all part of taking CVG's European gateway status away.
37 DTWAGENT: I think moving the CRJ from the C concourse over to B is a good move. That way everything thing is under one roof. And they are starting to get bigger
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Nevermind on that one. All those "San's" mix me up.
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