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CX To "Dispose" Of 5 B777-200s  
User currently offlineJohnClipper From Hong Kong, joined Aug 2005, 855 posts, RR: 0
Posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days ago) and read 23832 times:

According to Thomson Reuters, CX will sell or "dispose" of 5 B777-200s due to the economy...

http://www.reuters.com/article/marke...sNews/idINHKG29738120081031?rpc=44

83 replies: All unread, showing first 25:
 
User currently offlineZeke From Hong Kong, joined Dec 2006, 9229 posts, RR: 76
Reply 1, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days ago) and read 23789 times:

Not exactly news, I have mentioned this before. They will be replaced with A330-300s.


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User currently offlineStylo777 From Germany, joined Feb 2006, 3021 posts, RR: 11
Reply 2, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days ago) and read 23687 times:

how old are these birds? maybe they can find with TK a possible buyer? they mentioned already to have interests in adding this type to their fleet temporarly.

User currently offlineAviationAddict From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 630 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days ago) and read 23609 times:
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Maybe CO will look into picking up a few of these. Didn't they recently hint at a plan to buy a few used 772s for their Micronesia service? A few well maintained 777-200As would fit the bill nicely.

User currently offlineElmoTheHobo From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 1545 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days ago) and read 23463 times:



Quoting AviationAddict (Reply 3):
Maybe CO will look into picking up a few of these. Didn't they recently hint at a plan to buy a few used 772s for their Micronesia service? A few well maintained 777-200As would fit the bill nicely.

I'd imagine that these high cycle RR powered birds wouldn't fit in with CO's plan for Comike.

There is going to be a glut of RR powered A market 777s when Emirates starts retiring their first 777s. Unless they find a buyer soon, these 777s may be traveling the world as Soda cans and spare parts.


User currently offlinePlaneHunter From Germany, joined Mar 2006, 6938 posts, RR: 77
Reply 5, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days ago) and read 23399 times:



Quoting ElmoTheHobo (Reply 4):
There is going to be a glut of RR powered A market 777s when Emirates starts retiring their first 777s.

There are only three 777-200 non-ER models in EK's fleet.


PH



Nothing's worse than flying the same reg twice!
User currently offlineJfk777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 8495 posts, RR: 6
Reply 6, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 23171 times:
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Delta which was going to take some Emirates 777-300 which EK released, should lease or buy the 5 777-200A's for service from JFK and ATL to LHR and CDG. DL will not have the extra 777's for LHR service for years since they are taking delivery of 777LR's for service to yet not annouced cities 17 hours from ATl, SYD, HKG and JNB could be new nonstop markets from the ATL hub.

User currently offlineCHRISBA777ER From UK - England, joined Mar 2001, 5964 posts, RR: 62
Reply 7, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 23090 times:

These will go to LY i heard.


What do you mean you dont have any bourbon? Do you know how far it is to Houston? What kind of airline is this???
User currently offlineLiyangjen From United States of America, joined Aug 2008, 13 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 22920 times:

Next week, China and Taiwan will sign an agreement to increase the cross-strait direct flights from 36 to 110 weekly. So there is no more needs for Taiwanese and mainland Chinese to transit through Hongkong. CX will definitely be squeezed from both ends (China - Hongkong and Hongkong -Taiwan). So the golden pot era is over and the writing is on the wall. They have better be prepared for this!

User currently offlineColumba From Germany, joined Dec 2004, 7089 posts, RR: 4
Reply 9, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 22758 times:



Quoting Jfk777 (Reply 6):
Delta which was going to take some Emirates 777-300 which EK released

Really, so DL is getting 777-300s, nice  Smile



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User currently offlineCHRISBA777ER From UK - England, joined Mar 2001, 5964 posts, RR: 62
Reply 10, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 22762 times:

There is also the question of the handful of 772As at CZ which are GE90-powered, the CX birds and the TG 772As which will leave the fleet once their new Rolls-powered A333Es arrive.

Transaero beckons, but i wouldnt rule out PK either. Probably some charter carriers in Europe might be interested as well.



What do you mean you dont have any bourbon? Do you know how far it is to Houston? What kind of airline is this???
User currently offlineRonerone From Jordan, joined Aug 2004, 1675 posts, RR: 53
Reply 11, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 22692 times:

So i take it the lovely and famous B-HNL will be leaving cathay  Sad


Regards,
Roni



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User currently offlineCelestar From Singapore, joined Jul 2001, 410 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 22653 times:

Hi Roni,
I just flown the B-HNL three days ago from Taipei to Seoul. It is quite 'aged' inside, with different color shade of FL illumination along the cabin window session, looks kind of funny to me. May I ask, why did you say HNL is famous? Is it because it is the first 777-200 in CX fleet?


User currently offlineMANmatt From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2004, 969 posts, RR: 5
Reply 13, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 22350 times:



Quoting Celestar (Reply 12):
why did you say HNL is famous?

Well from looking at my registration booked this is construction number 1 of the 777-200 line. Didn't realise CX had any 777-200s before looking in to my book. Wonder where they will go?

Matt


User currently offlineAviationAddict From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 630 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 22151 times:
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Quoting ElmoTheHobo (Reply 4):
There is going to be a glut of RR powered A market 777s when Emirates starts retiring their first 777s. Unless they find a buyer soon, these 777s may be traveling the world as Soda cans and spare parts.

Kind of a depressing thought..  cry 


User currently offlineCHRISBA777ER From UK - England, joined Mar 2001, 5964 posts, RR: 62
Reply 15, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 22039 times:



Quoting MANmatt (Reply 13):


Quoting Celestar (Reply 12):
why did you say HNL is famous?

Well from looking at my registration booked this is construction number 1 of the 777-200 line. Didn't realise CX had any 777-200s before looking in to my book. Wonder where they will go?

I thought UA's N777UA was the first? Is she still with them or has she gone to AI/VG etc?



What do you mean you dont have any bourbon? Do you know how far it is to Houston? What kind of airline is this???
User currently offlineMANmatt From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2004, 969 posts, RR: 5
Reply 16, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 21999 times:



Quoting CHRISBA777ER (Reply 15):

I thought UA's N777UA was the first? Is she still with them or has she gone to AI/VG etc?

Hmm, well according to my book that is number 7? Plus, don't think VG (VLM) will be needing any 777's any time soon!


User currently offlineSteman From Germany, joined Aug 2000, 1403 posts, RR: 7
Reply 17, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 21881 times:

I think it was the prototype B777, refurbished and delivered to CX after Boeing was done with the certification and testing program.
At that time there were already several other B777 in service.

Ciao

Stefano


User currently offlineCHRISBA777ER From UK - England, joined Mar 2001, 5964 posts, RR: 62
Reply 18, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 21878 times:



Quoting MANmatt (Reply 16):
Quoting CHRISBA777ER (Reply 15):

I thought UA's N777UA was the first? Is she still with them or has she gone to AI/VG etc?

Hmm, well according to my book that is number 7? Plus, don't think VG (VLM) will be needing any 777's any time soon!

You know what I meant!

I know N700UA was the first in revenue service.



What do you mean you dont have any bourbon? Do you know how far it is to Houston? What kind of airline is this???
User currently offlineAirbazar From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 8651 posts, RR: 10
Reply 19, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 21463 times:



Quoting JohnClipper (Thread starter):
According to Thomson Reuters, CX will sell or "dispose" of 5 B777-200s due to the economy...

This begs the question: Why the 772's and not the A343's?  duck 
If one was to believe what's been written on a.net, not only is the A343 a gas guzler but CX is reportedly very unhappy with their A343's.


User currently offlineDrerx7 From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5209 posts, RR: 8
Reply 20, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 21378 times:

I think Continental WAS going to get these birds but rumor has it that the financing fell through or something of that nature. They could definitely revisit them though.


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User currently offlineCHRISBA777ER From UK - England, joined Mar 2001, 5964 posts, RR: 62
Reply 21, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 21069 times:

Quoting Airbazar (Reply 19):
Quoting JohnClipper (Thread starter):
According to Thomson Reuters, CX will sell or "dispose" of 5 B777-200s due to the economy...

This begs the question: Why the 772's and not the A343's?   
If one was to believe what's been written on a.net, not only is the A343 a gas guzler but CX is reportedly very unhappy with their A343's.

Because CX values the range of the A343 which it utilises well. The 772A is a much, much less capable bird, and suitable only for regional or med haul routes. CX has loads of the A333 which is superior to the 772A on short and medium haul routes so its a needless subfleet. There are no missions in the CX network that the 772A does that the A333 cannot do more efficiently so why keep them?

CX has absolutely no problem with their A343s - ask Zeke if you dont believe me - he only bloody flies the things! They were happy with their A346s as well but got rid of them because they needed more than the three they had, and so they took a boatload of 77Ws, which are working out fine for them too.

[Edited 2008-10-31 09:13:43]


What do you mean you dont have any bourbon? Do you know how far it is to Houston? What kind of airline is this???
User currently offlinePlaneHunter From Germany, joined Mar 2006, 6938 posts, RR: 77
Reply 22, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 21067 times:



Quoting CHRISBA777ER (Reply 18):
I know N700UA was the first in revenue service.

UA has never had a 777 registered N700UA.


PH



Nothing's worse than flying the same reg twice!
User currently offlineCHRISBA777ER From UK - England, joined Mar 2001, 5964 posts, RR: 62
Reply 23, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 20992 times:



Quoting PlaneHunter (Reply 22):
Quoting CHRISBA777ER (Reply 18):
I know N700UA was the first in revenue service.

UA has never had a 777 registered N700UA.

N777UA i meant, as stated above.



What do you mean you dont have any bourbon? Do you know how far it is to Houston? What kind of airline is this???
User currently offlineThenoflyzone From Canada, joined Jan 2001, 2683 posts, RR: 11
Reply 24, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 20972 times:



Quoting Airbazar (Reply 19):
This begs the question: Why the 772's and not the A343's?



Quoting CHRISBA777ER (Reply 21):


Because CX values the range of the A343 which it utilises well.

Exaclty. They just hired a friend of mine as a first officer on the A343. Those birds are there to stay for a while. They will reconfigure all A343's to a 2 class configuration.

Thenoflyzone



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25 Cloudyapple : Cathay received HNL towards the end of 2000. 6 years after it was built. Because the A333s can replace the B772s and can do the job much better. Noth
26 SR 103 : If Continental were to buy used 772's, they would have to be GE equipped aircraft. CX's are Rolls Royce which means CO would never have looked at the
27 CHRISBA777ER : These would be the CZ birds. Not in a great condition by all accounts and quite high on cycles so i'm told. Wait for your 788s would be my advice!
28 Drerx7 : Ahh yes it was the CZ birds...glad A.net corrected me before I went into the world telling that lie. I think now all CO can do is really wait on the
29 Jfk777 : Emirates had the original lease on some 777-300 with Rolls engines and renewed the leases, they ar still in Emirates fleet. DL can and should go afte
30 RJ111 : They were unhappy with the overweight A340-600s. The A343 Performs fairly well on longish routes. I believe these are the 772A which have the small c
31 Stitch : While at this point in it's life the 772 should be a "dead duck", the lack of 77Es on the open market has helped not only keep the 772 "relevant", bu
32 DiamondFlyer : What are the odds of in the future, somebody engineering and coming out with a cargo STC for the 772A models. Would this be a feasible replacement for
33 Stitch : Very good and yes, IMO.
34 Ronerone : Hi Celestar, Too bad as when i flew HNL in August 2006, it was in fantastic shape! I consider it as famous because it is the prototype 777, which i g
35 N471WN : These 777's will find a new home. Look at the numbers folks. 739 have been built and delivered. Only 3 are in storage and they have been sold/leased t
36 Aaron747 : You gotta love a.net - virtually everyone BUT actual CX staff have an opinion on what CX thinks of particular aircraft types, how they perform in the
37 Jfk777 : All Cathay 777 were going to be the 777-200A type, then the 777-300 was annouced and the rest of the original order were -300's. These 5 777 are the f
38 CX flyboy : It will be, but apparently the terms of sale to CX from Boeing was that it would return to Boeing for eventual placement in the Museum of Flight. Com
39 Lutfi : Other way round. CX wanted all 777-300, but Boeing wasn't sure about launching. CX hadto buy 4 + 7 777-200 to show committment to the programme befor
40 Mr.BA : Same reason why SQ is getting in the A330s soon in replacement for the B777s on so many asian routes.
41 DLlaxPride : Delta has already looked into EK's 773s. They have an exorbitant amount of cycles and therefore disregarded. However the 772's would be a great pick-u
42 DeltaL1011man : why use a 777 when you can use a 764 which is not that many less seats than a 772 or a A333 which has more seats than a 772? Hell even the 744 which
43 ConcordeBoy : DL isn't keen on high-cycle aircraft just for the sake of capacity, hence twice turning their nose at the 9V-SR* series from SQ ...re-engined too Not
44 Jfk777 : I respectfully disagree, CX changed to the -300 after it had the first planes delivered or in the assembley line in Seattle. 777-200A are still 777,
45 Airbazar : Guys, calm down. Unless I missed a radical change in netiquete, the flying tomato still indicates heavy sarcasm. My post in reply 19 was a simple atte
46 Jfk777 : Today aviation enthusiats on this board pan the 777-200A as a has been 777, one has been scrapped already. But when it all started on that June day in
47 ConcordeBoy : That doesn't make any sense. CX lobbied Boeing for a stretch of the 777 platform, settled for the -200 while it was the only thing available, and swi
48 PVG : I have a good friend who works for CX/KA in Shanghai. The China to Taiwan via HKG route was a very lucrative business for them. The loss of this busi
49 COalways : CO is going to Have a sub fleet of 4 777 to be base in guam to replace the 4 767-400 when they a moved into the states for further international expa
50 Zeke : Both are basically 40,000 kg payload machines, same cargo volume (LD-3s or pallets), the A333 burns about 1000 kg an hour less fuel and CX already ha
51 Post contains images Cloudyapple : So you take a B764 or A333 to fill in whatever void you need the extra aircraft for. What do they have to back fill the voids left by the B764 and A3
52 Zeke : Actually all the A333 (8F/32J/211Y) aircraft will be upgraded with the new cabin product to become A33Bs (41J/223Y), the upgrades should happen over
53 ConcordeBoy : the facts that 1) there were some rather public (albeit, third party) media rumblings over their displeasure at the increased weight on one of the mo
54 Zeke : No facts at all, just a load of B/S from someone who obviously is not from the company or had any involvement with the type. The aircraft had the hig
55 AirNZ : Yes, but interestingly though I find it amusing that on the vast majority of occasions on a.net when the media report some aviation happening they ar
56 CX flyboy : The 346s went through an initial phase of unreliability and engineers worked hard because of them. They presented a higher workload for maintenance th
57 Jfk777 : We both said the same thing. CX took the -200A when that was the only 777 available. Until teh -300(no ER) became available.
58 Cloudyapple : No. You implied Cathay had an order for a number of B772As and then when the B773 became available, they switched the undelivered aircraft to B773As.
59 Wowpeter : A lot of people seems to think that with Taiwan and China cross strait flight, it is going to be the end of the world for CX... True that there will
60 Papatango : Delta should jump on these birds in a New York minute.
61 ConcordeBoy : DL doesn't like high-cycle birds just because they're available.... if that were the case, then they would've twice reached a purchase agreement for
62 Aerokiwi : Urmmm, did you actually read the post in question? Indeed you do have to love A'Net - people jumping to conclusions without actually reading/comprehe
63 NA : Due to an odd problem I never encountered on a.net I cannot view the main part of the last anwers to this thread, just the lead-ins. They just don´t
64 ConcordeBoy : ...interesting, do you know which, and why?
65 NA : Not too surprising it will be the first 777 built. Its of historic significance so deserves to be preserved although I´m surprised its happening so
66 JohnClipper : Can anyone confirm this? All the photos I see show the CX B777-200 cargo doors to be the same width as the B777-200ER. Are you confusing this with th
67 ConcordeBoy : It's true. Tough to tell unless you see them side-by-side, but CX's birds definitely have the rare small cargo doors. I wish Alain Mengus' site was s
68 Zeke : What you say is true, the initial entry was not the best, but when they settled down, they were just fine. The biggest difference I noticed with it w
69 Post contains images CCA : I too thought the CX small rear cargo door was rare but it's not as rare as I thought.
70 FUN2FLY : Has this been finalized? I would think so w/the delay of the new 777 deliveries for Aug 2009 announced at the Q3 earnings meeting, but I have not see
71 CX flyboy : With Boeing talking openly about the possibility of 777BCF and going as far as talking about the payload possibilities of the -200A and 200ER, they ob
72 JohnClipper : I'm questioning the MAIN forward cargo door? Are there different widths a la B767-200 vs B767-200ER?
73 ConcordeBoy : Perhaps, the only problem is, the aircraft you pictured do not have it. The 772LR, as in your selected pictures, isn't even offered with it.
74 Zeke : Not all of them, HNL has the 106"x67" door. All the CX 772 forward doors are 106"x67"
75 Aerokiwi : Oh my, the careful wording again!! You know I'm referring to aircraft type in my post, in this case, the A346, rather than specific frames. If you di
76 Hamlet69 : That's what I've heard as well. From what I understand, when CX bought the prototype back in 2000, part of the agreement with Boeing was that, when t
77 Zeke : We did not choose the 77W because of the 773 we already operated, likewise we did not choose the A346HGW because of the 346 we already operated, we e
78 CX flyboy : From my experience on the routes is isn't often although I have seen max weight out of the two cities maybe 3-4 times. Recently the loads have been v
79 RedChili : I don't think there was a connection between the previous A346s and the 77W order. The 77W simply has the upper hand when the oil price is climbing a
80 Jfk777 : Cathay probably has the longest regularly scheduled 77W flights from YYZ & JFK to HKG at 16 hours. Most 77W are operated with flights at 13 hours, ANA
81 Zeke : The CFD archive online only go back a week or two, and the IBM host will not give me the underfloor load. I have not done the trip for a few months n
82 CCA : ??? All the A/C pictured have the small rear cargo door, I'm fairly sure no 777 has a small fwd cargo door, I don't even think it's an option.
83 Jfk777 : What would be the Payload of a 77W vs. A346 HGW from JNB to HKG ? Is the difference marginal or double as the above quote says ?
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