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User currently offlineViaggiare From Costa Rica, joined Jan 2007, 2120 posts, RR: 8
Posted (5 years 10 months 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 10335 times:






Aviation Scene in El Salvador
written and submitted by Mt99


Known as "El Pulgarcito de América" ("America's Thumb" -- it does sound cuter in Spanish), El Salvador is the smallest and most populated country in Central America.

Its main international airport (moving 2 million passengers a year) is located 30 min outside of San Salvador, and has long been considered to be one of the region's largest and best airports. However, this subjective (and self-proclaimed) status has been getting stiff competition from remodeled airports in SJO and GUA. Comalapa (SAL/MSLP) will see some modernization and expansion of its own in the coming years as plans to more than double its current capacity have been drawned up.

Ilopango Airport (MSSS) has a more traditional "city" location but has long been relegated to private use. Residents of San Salvador find driving south to Comalapa to be quicker than fighting traffic to Ilopango anyway. There are talks of a new airport closer to the potential beach hotel developments of the Southwest, but the country is so small that I don't see it happening anytime soon.

SAL is also the home airport of the much talked-about TACA Airlines. Definitely a force to contend with in Central America, TACA is very representative of the country's psyche: small dog with a big appetite, struggling to get noticed and recognized beyond its borders and a little rough around the edges.








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User currently offlineYellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6122 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (5 years 10 months 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 10314 times:

Nice write up MT! Sometimes we forget how close the volcanoes are to the city!


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User currently offlinePlatinumfoota From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 556 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (5 years 10 months 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 10316 times:
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I just went on a trip to El Salvador to visit my family, its been 10 years since I have been to El Salvador and I noticed major improvements, and loved the trip. I flew AA. I noticed that alot of maintanance is being done in the TACA hangers, mostly heavy checks to Airbuses. I saw some US, B6 and F9 being worked on. Who else does TACA do heavy checks for?


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User currently offlineViaggiare From Costa Rica, joined Jan 2007, 2120 posts, RR: 8
Reply 3, posted (5 years 10 months 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 10308 times:

Here are the links to those two pics from our friend Mt99's personal collection: first and second -- in case the thumbnails above turn out something else.

Just curious as to where these were taken. I really liked the one with the town (Santa Ana?) flanked by volcanoes and forests. The beach also looks nice, despite my personal preference for whiter sand. I'm assuming it's Playa Costa del Sol but that's just a wild guess.



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User currently offline2travel2know From Panama, joined Apr 2005, 3580 posts, RR: 4
Reply 4, posted (5 years 10 months 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 10289 times:

Having seen almost all major Centralamerican airports, my top cozy/modern airports in the region would be: MGA and SAL.
I've not been in GUA in a 2 years and after following what has been going on with the SJO remodeling scandal I don't think SJO has changed a lot since last year I was there.
TGU should go the way of MSSS Ilopango, XPL must quickly become Tegucigalpa new airport.

PTY is on a different league, I wouldn't like to compare with any Centralamerican airport.



I don't work for COPA Airlines!
User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8803 posts, RR: 5
Reply 5, posted (5 years 10 months 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 10282 times:
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Quoting 2travel2know (Reply 4):
PTY is on a different league, I wouldn't like to compare with any Centralamerican airport.

Tocumen International Airport is one of, if not already, the most modern airport in Centralamerica. Excellent connections and very easy to navigate through. One of my favorite airports too.


User currently offlineViaggiare From Costa Rica, joined Jan 2007, 2120 posts, RR: 8
Reply 6, posted (5 years 10 months 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 10265 times:



Quoting 2travel2know (Reply 4):
after following what has been going on with the SJO remodeling scandal I don't think SJO has changed a lot since last year I was there.

It hasn't. But HASDC will soon be taking over and they do mean business.

Quoting 2travel2know (Reply 4):

PTY is on a different league, I wouldn't like to compare with any Centralamerican airport.

I would agree that Tocumen is in a different league altogether... same thing can be said about the city it serves.



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User currently offlineSJOtoLIR From Costa Rica, joined Jul 2007, 4481 posts, RR: 4
Reply 7, posted (5 years 10 months 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 10208 times:



Quoting Platinumfoota (Reply 2):
I saw some US, B6 and F9 being worked on.

Aeroman from San Salvador has been certified by Airbus Industrie in order to attend maintenence works belonging to the mentioned airlines.
Regards.



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User currently offlineMt99 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 6579 posts, RR: 6
Reply 8, posted (5 years 10 months 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 10169 times:
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Quoting Viaggiare (Reply 3):
Just curious as to where these were taken. I really liked the one with the town (Santa Ana?) flanked by volcanoes and forests. The beach also looks nice, despite my personal preference for whiter sand. I'm assuming it's Playa Costa del Sol but that's just a wild guess.

Thanks for the props for the pics  Smile The first one is actually the town of Juayua located along what has been known as "La Ruta de las Flores", A narrow mountain winding road that connects several small towns and coffee plantations. Lately a whole bunch of Bed and Breakfast and surprisingly good restaurants have opened along the road. This is one of the most famous ones

http://www.hotelsantaleticia.com/

The beach is not Costa del Sol. I cant tell you where it is, but ill tell you its very secluded (yet only 1hr from San Salvador) - not a tourist in a fifty mile radius , and we want to keep it that way  Smile



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User currently offlineViaggiare From Costa Rica, joined Jan 2007, 2120 posts, RR: 8
Reply 9, posted (5 years 10 months 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 10133 times:



Quoting Mt99 (Reply 8):
The beach is not Costa del Sol. I cant tell you where it is, but ill tell you its very secluded (yet only 1hr from San Salvador) - not a tourist in a fifty mile radius , and we want to keep it that way

So a secret anything goes, clothing-optional kind of beach, huh? Why does that not surprise me?  Big grin



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User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32736 posts, RR: 72
Reply 10, posted (5 years 10 months 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 10112 times:

As mentioned on the AA/A300 retirement thread, effective 01SEP09, American will operate a daily 767-300ER on both MIA-GUA and MIA-MGA.


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User currently offlineJuanchito From Guatemala, joined Nov 2000, 1182 posts, RR: 9
Reply 11, posted (5 years 10 months 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 10067 times:



Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 10):
As mentioned on the AA/A300 retirement thread, effective 01SEP09, American will operate a daily 767-300ER on both MIA-GUA and MIA-MGA.

Really? that's good news for us spotters, I thought that they will add a frequency with a narrowbody aircraft, like 3 daily 737-800 ops.

Juanchito



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User currently offlineAer From Guatemala, joined Mar 2004, 1048 posts, RR: 3
Reply 12, posted (5 years 10 months 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 10042 times:



Quoting Juanchito (Reply 11):
Really? that's good news for us spotters, I thought that they will add a frequency with a narrowbody aircraft, like 3 daily 737-800 ops.

Don't give them ideas, I hope they leave the 767, it would be nice to spot one of those again at GUA.



nice and spacious airports in need of new airlines and flights... GUA or FRS anyone?... anyone at all?
User currently offlineSJOtoLIR From Costa Rica, joined Jul 2007, 4481 posts, RR: 4
Reply 13, posted (5 years 10 months 1 day ago) and read 10031 times:



Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 10):
As mentioned on the AA/A300 retirement thread, effective 01SEP09, American will operate a daily 767-300ER on both MIA-GUA and MIA-MGA.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but their 763s are configured in three different classes whereas the Central American routes on AA only support two classes: J and Y.
Regards.



"Goin' up to the spirit in the sky"
User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8803 posts, RR: 5
Reply 14, posted (5 years 10 months 23 hours ago) and read 10023 times:
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Quoting SJOtoLIR (Reply 13):
Correct me if I'm wrong, but their 763s are configured in three different classes whereas the Central American routes on AA only support two classes: J and Y.

AA's 762s are configured in a three-class configuration and used mostly on Transcons. The 763s only have two classes of service.


User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32736 posts, RR: 72
Reply 15, posted (5 years 10 months 23 hours ago) and read 10019 times:



Quoting Juanchito (Reply 11):
Really? that's good news for us spotters, I thought that they will add a frequency with a narrowbody aircraft, like 3 daily 737-800 ops.

PTY will get a third flight; so will BOG (pending government approval). AA also might add a third daily to GUA.



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User currently offlineViaggiare From Costa Rica, joined Jan 2007, 2120 posts, RR: 8
Reply 16, posted (5 years 10 months 22 hours ago) and read 10008 times:



Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 15):
PTY will get a third flight; so will BOG (pending government approval). AA also might add a third daily to GUA.

SJO is unique in that we get 3x daily AB6 flights out of Miami. How do they plan to deal with that?



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User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8803 posts, RR: 5
Reply 17, posted (5 years 10 months 21 hours ago) and read 10000 times:
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Quoting Viaggiare (Reply 16):

Plus a daily 738 from FLL.


User currently offlineDesertAir From Mexico, joined Jan 2006, 1461 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (5 years 10 months 21 hours ago) and read 9996 times:

I have been recently checking out the possibilities for a trip from LAX to UIO (Quito) during July 2009. I notice that COPA has much lower fares than TACA. I prefer to travel through CA instead of all the way to Miami.

I was reading with interest the writings about AA from Miami to GUA. In the early to mid 90's they ran 727s a number of times a day on the route. An A300 or 767 would be luxury to me.


User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32736 posts, RR: 72
Reply 19, posted (5 years 10 months 19 hours ago) and read 9970 times:



Quoting Viaggiare (Reply 16):
SJO is unique in that we get 3x daily AB6 flights out of Miami. How do they plan to deal with that?

For now 3x 757 to MIA/1x 738 to FLL; but a 4th daily 738 isn't out of the question. Additional frequencies are still TBD.



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User currently offlineSJOtoLIR From Costa Rica, joined Jul 2007, 4481 posts, RR: 4
Reply 20, posted (5 years 10 months 18 hours ago) and read 9957 times:

Full changes to Central America on AA:

MIA-MGA (Managua, Nicaragua)
Current: 1xAB6, 1x738
Changes to 1x763, 1x738 on 1st September 09

MIA-PTY (Panama City, Panama)
Current: 1xAB6, 1x757
Changes to 2x757 on 11th June 09

MIA-GUA (Guatemala City, Guatemala)
Current: 1xAB6, 1x738
Changes to 1x763, 1x738 on 1st September 09

MIA-SJO (San Jose, Costa Rica)
Current: 3xAB6
Changes to 1xAB6, 2x757 on 31st January 09
Changes to 3x757 on 11th June 09

Source: "AA A300 Retirement schedule plans" thread.




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Quoting DesertAir (Reply 18):
I have been recently checking out the possibilities for a trip from LAX to UIO (Quito) during July 2009. I notice that COPA has much lower fares than TACA. I prefer to travel through CA instead of all the way to Miami.

The easiest possibilities through Central America are:
CM LAX-PTY and then CM PTY-UIO.
TA LAX-SJO and then TA SJO-UIO-GYE-SJO.
Both are operating daily.

Regards.



"Goin' up to the spirit in the sky"
User currently offlineYellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6122 posts, RR: 2
Reply 21, posted (5 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 9880 times:



Quoting SJOtoLIR (Reply 20):
The easiest possibilities through Central America are:
CM LAX-PTY and then CM PTY-UIO.

I have done IAH-PTY-UIO and found it very easy going in PTY



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User currently offlineSJOtoLIR From Costa Rica, joined Jul 2007, 4481 posts, RR: 4
Reply 22, posted (5 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 9826 times:



Quoting Yellowtail (Reply 21):
I have done IAH-PTY-UIO and found it very easy going in PTY

I agree.
No immigration controls are required, immediate connections, friendly environment, plenty of different stores and the baggage is automatically transferred to the next plane.
Regards.



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User currently offlineViaggiare From Costa Rica, joined Jan 2007, 2120 posts, RR: 8
Reply 23, posted (5 years 9 months 4 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 9710 times:

B6 continues to scout potential leisure destinations in LatAm and the Caribbean...

Word has leaked that parties interested in E90 service out of gateway focus city Orlando (JFK appears to be off the table) must come up with up to US$28,000 per week in the form of revenue guarantees.

In the case of most CentAm destinations being considered, coming up with the money to comply with such requirement would necessarily involve some sort of public and private sector partnership.

But MCO is somewhat of a tough sell anyway, and so is the airline's unwillingness to accept a higher level of risk.



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User currently offlineJuanchito From Guatemala, joined Nov 2000, 1182 posts, RR: 9
Reply 24, posted (5 years 9 months 4 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 9695 times:



Quoting Viaggiare (Reply 23):

Maybe it could work, if they offer connections, and more flights to west coast from Orlando. How is customs in MCO, I expect a lot better than MIA. And I think that the E90 would be their best option.

Juanchito



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25 Viaggiare : The farthest west B6 flies to nonstop out of MCO right now is AUS. Both LGB and SFO involve an additional connection, while places like LAS and SEA w
26 Yellowtail : This does not surprise me. I'd be curios to know what the guarantee would be if they launch a destination such as SJO, though it will probably com wi
27 FASCM170 : Interesting way to open routes by soliciting money. MCO is a huge airport but let's be realistic, if B6 intends O&D traffic, it is the wrong choice.
28 Yellowtail : you summed up in three paragraphs what would have taken me 10 to do
29 Viaggiare : And to think that all along I have been under the impression that B6 was run by some of the brightest minds in the business.
30 FASCM170 : They may not be the brightest, but certainly have an interesting business model and good in-flight product. JFK operation is crazy, though. I had the
31 FASCM170 : They may not be the brightest, but certainly have an interesting business model and good in-flight product. JFK operation is crazy, though. I had the
32 Yellowtail : I flew them JFK-HOU and yes it was very chaotic.
33 SJOtoLIR : Hey, good discussion in the previous inputs ! I would like to contribute: MCO is not South Florida [MIA and FLL] where the high yields are mainly con
34 2travel2know : Add to that the fact that those DL Centralamerican flights didn't have that many DL flights to connect upon arrival in JFK. DL's JFK operations can't
35 SJOtoLIR : The same applies to TACA at JFK. TA arrives late at night and their departure times are commonly ranged at [03:00-05:30] out of JFK. A successful mod
36 2travel2know : On one end of the route, there's a hub operation, and it's not in JFK. CM PTY-JFK wouldn't be daily if only for O/D traffic, specially with the curre
37 Viaggiare : When will the initial DoT figures for that route become available?
38 FASCM170 : My comments on the subject are based on at least 20 years of experience and worked with 3 different US carriers serving Central America. I may be sub
39 Yellowtail : ..years ago I was once on a TA MIA-BZE-SAL ..we overflew BZE (where I was supposed to get off) because we only had 2 pax getting off....but the plane
40 Viaggiare : Back to JetBlue and statistically speaking, hopping with the kids on a plane to go see Mickey Mouse and his cuddly buddies wouldn't technically quali
41 B747_A340 : Does anyone know what is RA-73018 doing at GUA? It's been here a couple of times this week... seems to be a bit far away from home, me thinks...
42 Bentley55 : Mine too The only thing PTY is missing is proper food options... There is only 1 restaurant and the food is not so good and very expensive. Besides t
43 2travel2know : I'll have to add (1) A Newstand - there's nowhere to buy newspapers, magazines or books. "Panamanians don't read" so I hear passengers say. (2) Large
44 Post contains links 2travel2know : CM to BSB Link in Portuguese. News about JJ BSB-MIA and future CM BSB service (!).
45 Luisca : Would the E90 make it there or is it a 737 destination? its not like CM has a bunch of the later hanging around.
46 2travel2know : If CM downgrades IAD and VVI to E190, they would free 2 B737, one of those could be used for BSB. But IAD and VVI would be really pushing the range o
47 SJOtoLIR : Six months later. . I see your point, my friend. The problem is rather concentrated in the inappropriate demand and not necessarily in the lack of co
48 Juanchito : What airplane is that. Is it the RepublicAir 737-200? If it is, I thought it was the Santos Laguna Charter airplane, but for 2 weeks really don't kno
49 Luisca : The new terminal will incorporate a food court! both VVI and IAD are WELL within E190 range, there would probably not be any weight penalties either.
50 2travel2know : And even then Lacsa was trying to get connecting traffic from PTY/LIM/SAL for their MCO flight. Please remember: CM buys Embraer aircraft, Oderbrecht
51 Viaggiare : Thought you had given up on Baltimore by now. So JM has had a presence there for over twenty-five years, but not a single LatAm airline flies into th
52 Post contains links and images B747_A340 : It's a Russian B757-200... View Large View MediumPhoto © Pavel Pyasetsky
53 Luisca : Loads are better for IAD now and I am sure we have discussed to death about BWI, it is just not a good alternate for IAD since CM is an airline focus
54 SJOtoLIR : Do you imply that CM might open in the future other Brazilian destinations such as Fortaleza, Recife, Brasilia, Natal and Salvador ? Anyways, some US
55 Aer : The aircraft was hired by the Guatemalan army to transport 2 contingents from GUA to Haiti and back. The last time they used an ATA aircraft.
56 2travel2know : Guatemalan military don't fly CM between GUA and PAP?.
57 SCL767 : CM is going to have to deal with LAN Peru soon at IAD. LP will offer immediate connections to LPB, VVI, GYE, UIO, EZE, SCL, and domestic cities withi
58 SJOtoLIR : This thread has been dedicated to the aviation in El Salvador. Here are the current scheduled routes available from SAL nowadays: CO SAL-IAH CO SAL-EW
59 SJOtoLIR : It seems like separate business models at IAD. CM IAD-PTY can immediately connect to the mentioned South American destinations through PTY. LP IAD-LI
60 2travel2know : CM doesn't have LPB or other Peruvian major cities among its destinations. Lan Perú does. However, unless travelling with/for LA miles-credit or bec
61 Bufordb : GUA is one of the better airports in Central America; on the other hand, LIB may be the worst international airport anywhere.
62 Aer : Due to some crazy policy, the armed forces should only fly a Guatemalan carrier ala US. But since WU, GU, AeroQueztal or any other airline no longer
63 LAXintl : Wondering what criteria you are using? GUA as a facility is far from ideal in the middle of urban sprawl, 5000ft in altitude negatively effecting air
64 Post contains images SJOtoLIR : Did you mean Liberia, Costa Rica [MRLB/LIR] ? The usage of LIR as an international gateway for jet-line scheduled purposes is dated from less than te
65 SCL767 : Well, if CM deploys the E90 to IAD you can bet that Ecuadoreans will use LAN; especially since Ecuadoreans may check-in up to three bags for free on
66 Luisca : Its a miracle the passenger knows what AIRLINE they are flying, so I doubt very much they will even KNOW what airplane they are flying.
67 SCL767 : Well, they know LAN will be using the 763 with AVOD in every seat and exemplary service. LAN Perú will do well with the mix of passengers that will
68 SJOtoLIR : Notice that CM PTY-LIM is solidly offering up to four daily flights sometimes, but I don't think that CM IAD-PTY contributes to load planes to CM PTY-
69 Yellowtail : To add to your SAL destinations check list. SAL-BZE (effec Dec 20) So BZE will be 2Xdaily ...for the time being
70 Post contains links 2travel2know : DAV to be improved from La Estrella de Panamá - in Spanish DAV airport appears to get a runway extension up to 3,000m. The runway rightnow is 2,100m.
71 SJOtoLIR : Quoted from the article: "La internacionalización no se limita a un solo lugar, otros sitios están dentro del plan, como el caso del Aeropuerto Enri
72 Aer : Something I never got about Taca Regional is why do they promote FRS and CUN as being operated by them, but both destinations aren't loaded into thei
73 Yellowtail : Well TA is just a wierd airline
74 B747_A340 : My guess would be that since the flight is a former GU flight people assume it is operated by TA. In fact, I haven't seen any Taca Regional ads while
75 SJOtoLIR : The same applies to the following routes operated with ATR-42: TA GUA-SAP TA GUA-TGU TA SAL-TGU [ATR service] TA TGU-SAP TA SAL-MGA-SJO TA SJO-SAP TA
76 Aer : TA just updated their website.
77 Yellowtail : Hope this helps.....visualize An airline that would let one carry a seagull outboard engine as a piece of baggage then turn down a duffle bag because
78 Viaggiare : I became a bit impatient while awaiting his reply, and so did some research of my own... here's this short entry I came across in a little-known ency
79 Aer : Hahahaha well in my defence I'd like to say that the fact that FRS and CUN could only be booket at taca.com and not at tacaregional.com was wierd. Ho
80 Post contains links SJOtoLIR : Well, I respect your personal opinions; despite the fact the topic is not even clear to me. I'm not a TACA fanatic, but its level of service seems to
81 Yellowtail : There is a dormant BZE-MEX frequency from WAAAAAAAY back ..TAN/SAHSA days..perhaps TA owns it and wants to keep it for the future. Also TA did operat
82 Carmenlu15 : I'm baaaaaaaaaaack! Changing jobs can work wonders at messing up my internet schedule Haha, saw them last week in the system and thought "WTF?!" Yup,
83 Yellowtail : Welcome back..we missed you.
84 Yellowtail : Does anyone know if CO will make special widebody subs into SAL etc this xmas season?
85 Bentley55 : Anybody have any idea how the loads/yields on KLM flights to PTY are doing? I guess they must be doing well since they will now go 5X weekly. Also, an
86 2travel2know : Rightnow I can only think of CM to MTY. Something was said by CM, even discused in this forum about that last year. As CM to YYZ and/or ORD, I've no
87 Yellowtail : Via KIN and Bermuda
88 2travel2know : Depending on how many extra fuel tanks, a B737-700ER can make it MAD-PTY non-stop. According to Boeing, a B737-700 can make MAD-BDA and BDA-PTY non-s
89 MEA-707 : Any Hondureans out here? I try for a while to find out if Atlantic Airlines is still flying their F-27 HR-ATI on their short flights from La Ceiba, or
90 SCL767 : CM should consider long-haul expansion from PTY in a few years. However, they would require a new type of a/c. Although, it would be nice if CM would
91 2travel2know : Most likely CM won't do anything with IB as long as IB flies MAD-GUA-PTY-MAD. If IB wants to woo CM, then IB has to 1st start with dedicated MAD-PTY-
92 SCL767 : Maybe IB would potentially consider flying MAD-PTY-MAD daily nonstop; and place its code on CM flights at PTY, including those to GUA.
93 2travel2know : It's my opinion that SJO, GUA and PTY are the only markets in Centralamerica where IB must fly their own metal. I can't see IB flying MAD-PTY-MAD dai
94 Yellowtail : THey are still flying the LETs I believe ....last I heard they were on life support financially.
95 AlexA340B777 : I read in the newspaper "La Prensa" some days ago, that Atlantic Airlines´ only flight left in Honduras is the flight from La Ceiba to the Cayman Is
96 Aer : One of those crazy people that write on Wikipedia, posted on GUA's page that AA might start GUA-ORD in 2009. Any truth on that or should I just go ahe
97 SCL767 : Wikipedia is very unreliable; AA most likely will never fly ORD-GUA-ORD. On the GEO page, it states that TAM will start service in 2009 from GIG; com
98 Mt99 : I dont think its that crazy. There are plenty of Guatemalans in ORD. TA fills their A320. Well id say like 70% is OD traffic to GUA, 20% is on route
99 MaverickM11 : Replace SJO with SAL and that's more or less the case. SJO is only about 10% of the traffic.
100 MaverickM11 : 764 on IAHSAL on 12/24, returning 12/25, again on 12/26 returning 12/27
101 Mt99 : Thanks for the correction.. Although i have seen a fair amount of people traveling to South America on that flight that subject themselves to 3 or mo
102 MaverickM11 : ...which would explain why TA carries about as many GYE pax as SJO out of ORD
103 MAH4546 : It's low-yielding with a long stage length. AA won't touch ORD-GUA. TACA is better suited for the market. In terms of international U.S.-VFR markets
104 SJOtoLIR : Welcome again ! . I can't visualize that situation analyzing the triangular IB MAD-GUA-PTY-MAD with long-haul equipment. The model of CM is based on
105 Post contains images SJOtoLIR : The paint-scheme of COPA looks amazing in the following fantasy livery of the Dreamliner. If CM is really willing to fly to Europe in the future, this
106 Mt99 : Dont worry, you will CO 787.. that close enough to CM livery anyways
107 2travel2know : If CM wants MAD and PVG (!) sometime in the near future, would CM wait for the B787 to be available for them or would care to get a ready to fly B767
108 Bentley55 : Would CM really be interested in flying to China? Also, would a 787 make it to PVG non-stop? PTY to Europe non-stop in a 737-700? I think they would
109 SJOtoLIR : However, KL PTY-AMS is expected to become it daily next year and it might be the easiest and fastest possibility to link Panama-Spain daily in the mi
110 Post contains links 2travel2know : Nice to see CM has LAX-PTY-LAX for USD109+taxes Trying to compete with NK FLL fares? http://www.copaair.com/planifiquevia...asweb/default.aspx?ID=8195
111 Yellowtail : Oh boy... "TACA has indicated the withdrawal of the application for an air services licence with reference to the December flights (EL SALVADOR/BELIZE
112 MaverickM11 : Yikes! How dependent is the PTY economy on Venezuela and Colombia? If one or both economies were to tank, which seems likely in the case of Venezuela
113 2travel2know : NK-type fares I meant. Or CM gave TA some missinformation and now CM will start BZE.
114 Yellowtail : That would be quite a poker move. All indications at this end are that CM have bigger fish to fry (than BZE) first. But you never know
115 MAH4546 : Suspended due to fuel, but resumes in the spring.
116 Yellowtail : Perhaps someone on here can help me....can anyone give me a list a list of the euro carriers (charter and scheduled) serving CUN / HAV and MBJ this hi
117 MaverickM11 : Even when it comes back, both FLLLAX and FLLPTY are redeyes so walking to PTY from LAX would be faster. NK still files fares for it though
118 Viaggiare : Looking forward to working with a volunteer catracho a.netter on the write up for the upcoming incarnation (24) of our CentAm thread, which will featu
119 Yellowtail : Well..after dropping the 2nd daily SAL-BZE before it even started.....perhaps there is some credence to the gossip. And separating out the flights se
120 SJOtoLIR : CUN: Air Europa, Livingston Energy Flight, Corsair, XL Airways France, Condor Flugdienst. HAV: Air France, Air Comet, IberWorld on behalf of Iberia,
121 Yellowtail : Curios..criticized by who?....I think they just hugged the coast all the way down... MUch appreciated.
122 2travel2know : Lots of aircraft movements at DAV, CHX and BOC these days due to severe floods and mudslides in western Panamá. Too bad relief flights can hardly use
123 Belizexp : ASA never had the CRJ900 on the ATL - BZE route it was the CRJ700 all the 900 that ASA had coming got transfer to Skywest it parent company now. Corr
124 Yellowtail : Most likely the Pinnacle ones will do the same. I don't think they are OW equipped either. You are correct. DL has run CR7s, 738s, 752s and now MD88
125 Belizexp : As a Belizean Belize should be proud to be able to see so many diffrent DL aircraft and DL livery from 737-800 shuttle,737-800,CRJ700, 757 Song, 752
126 Yellowtail : The paper work has been filed already stating a march start. I have a copy right here. Agreed...but a 2Xe-190 on sat/sun would be a perfect..allowing
127 Belizexp : Interesting maybe Ed Bastian statement about DTW - LatinAm flts could come thru.... Save it for me I'll be in town next weekend. IMO I feel we will s
128 SJOtoLIR : Point taken. The route of the ASA's CRJ700 flying ATL-BZE may comprise Atlanta down to South Florida and then Cuba and immediately reach the Yucatan
129 Yellowtail : Look closely at the route map out of San Juan....there are pretty much islands the whole way. Not much real "over water"....
130 Luisca : looks like VLN has been upgraded to a daily 73G, and the route hasn't even started yet. Fares are at over 1000 RT on copaair.com, must be doing real g
131 Post contains images Mt99 : Monopolistic bastards! Taking advantage of the situation, and poor Venezuelan.   PS. I am being sarcastic. Ruins the puns if you have to say it.. bu
132 Belizexp : Yellowtail how come you never mention MW was flying to SAP from SVH
133 Post contains links SJOtoLIR : SJO will experience some delays in the continuity of the construction works assumed by HASDC Houston Airport System Development Company in replacement
134 Post contains images Viaggiare : In the interest of truth and fairness, the voices of reason have no choice but to offset all that obnoxious TACA cheerleading.     This latest head
135 Viaggiare : Depending on the E90 seating configuration (I believe 9E currently operates 76-seater CR9s) you're talking less than 25% additional seats anyway. By
136 Post contains images SJOtoLIR : How does it look like? I emphasized that the attached picture is merely fantasy. Enjoy it ! Regards.
137 Yellowtail : I did about three threads ago...you were probably caught up in a heated discussion with Viaggiare!
138 AlexA340B777 : Sorry guys, I already left Honduras again... Although living there for quite a while, I didn´t have a good insight into civil aviation over there. S
139 SJOtoLIR : TX Air Caraibes has downgraded their services to Central America. TX SJO-PTY-PTP-FDF is operating 1x weekly. It began as 2x weekly in December 2007. .
140 Post contains links Viaggiare : You're gonna love this, Mt99... Nearly 200 passengers held for 9 hours on grounded TACA plane in ONT. Read the full story Most regulars here are aware
141 Mt99 : . Yikes. Completely unacceptable. Sounds like a JetBlue type problem. Ironically if it has been CM, we would be saying how fortunate the passengers wh
142 Post contains links Mt99 : Hey Viaggiare.. You might enjoy this too.. http://www.mydesert.com/article/20081202/LIFESTYLES08/812020306 We later read Web reports that said the ai
143 Post contains links Viaggiare : Well, clearly it wasn't up to an LAPD cop to authorize their disembarkment. That should've been arranged through the proper channels (CBP) by TACA op
144 Mt99 : How do you know it was LAPD? I am not adding anything to what the author of that article said. "Te paso la informacion al costo" You are the one addi
145 Viaggiare : I meant Los Angeles Airport Police (LAWAPD) but, regardless... customs and immigration = federal jurisdiction. It's the Bureau of Customs and Border
146 Viaggiare : You're kidding, right? I mean they've already denied (officially) any wrongdoing, and blamed the whole thing on the weather and the officials at ONT.
147 Mt99 : That doesn't mean that they wont give compensation. I have been compensated by AA and UA due to weather problems - which is clearly not their fault.
148 Viaggiare : Once the kriete memoirs are published sometime down the road you'll see what I'm talking about.
149 Mt99 : So .. baseless for now.. uh huh.. i see how work..
150 Yellowtail : Well after seeing the new TA colors several times now and in amongst other c/ schemes.....I think it is actually beginning to grow on me..... I usuall
151 Mt99 : How dare you!. Be careful Viaggiare might come at you with a stick...
152 Viaggiare : Mt99 that's scarcely worth fussing over. It does look much better than the old scheme but still does a poor job of conveying "a feeling of warmth, dy
153 SJOtoLIR : I don't visualize a problem regarding the delay of 20 minutes at SAL. The scheduled times considered a safety factor regarding some expected delays a
154 Viaggiare : Something's wrong. Assuming both times are local then that flight didn't even last three hours.
155 Mt99 : Could have fooled me with all your replies to the "TACA new livery" thread a few month ago.
156 Post contains links 2travel2know : 1st Enchantment of The Seas will depart full from Panamá - in Spanish from www.prensa.com This Sunday, Colon becomes a "Home-Port" but at the same ti
157 SJOtoLIR : Los Angeles Standard time zone: UTC/GMT -8 hours San Salvador Standard time zone: UTC/GMT -6 hours For the time being, San Salvador has two hours in
158 SJOtoLIR : Colon is not placed far away from Tocumen and it's not clear the development of a new airport dedicated to the international leisure traffic in the C
159 Viaggiare : Hu-hum... so according to the info you posted above, the flight would have departed SAL at 0159Z and arrived in LAX at 0450Z for a flight time of onl
160 SJOtoLIR : Point taken. Let me write again the accurate information as scheduled in reliable sources: TA 7520.......SAL 19:40.........LAX 23:05.............Flig
161 Carmenlu15 : I want one of those for my desktop image at work... But of course, it is always easier to blame the airline for whatever going wrong... *sigh*
162 Viaggiare : It's a bit late in the discussion, all the more reason to check your facts... Aeroméxico also had one of its own flights diverted that evening. Thei
163 SJOtoLIR : TACA is steadily catering the leisure traffic and related to passengers originated in Costa Rica. TA SJO-ADZ and TA SJO-CUN had been operated as chart
164 Carmenlu15 : Just in time? I'd actually think it would be too late... it's almost impossible to book a flight coming from the US around these dates, unless you're
165 Luisca : Today operations started at the "Home Port" in Colon Panama with the Enchantment of the Seas sailing full (2500 pax) a recent article on La Prensa sta
166 Viaggiare : Mt99 I hear it's below zero and snowing big time in your neck of the woods... how are you holding up weatherwise?
167 Mt99 : Snow? What snow? This is nothing! Less than 2". It been cooling down nicely though. My car told me it was 15F Sat night. Cant wait for those below 0F
168 Post contains links and images Mt99 : Hey Viaggiare, For your enjoyment... http://www.elsalvador.com/mwedh/nota...leta.asp?idCat=15773&idArt=3107018 Take a look at the readers comments. Ma
169 Viaggiare : Okay, Mt99. I think the cold is seeping into your skull and doing some serious damage... You're now officially just minutes from the funny farm.
170 Yellowtail : CO has just notified us that they will be operating IAH-BZE-IAH 17weekly in Jan and 18Xweekly in Feb....also told us that the 18X might run through Ap
171 Viaggiare : Oh and btw I thoroughly enjoyed the link. Thanks! Here's hoping they get their derrières sued back to the stone age... or at least to the time of th
172 Mt99 : Ahh you love it. It part of "the book" you were mentioning before... On what grounds can the be sued? I would imagine that all parties would be sued,
173 Viaggiare : I'm guessing it'll be just the airline, simply because it should be easier to hold them liable. After all, it was their omissions that were presumabl
174 Mt99 : Ahh.. but how would you know that it was really their omission? Lets assume that they can prove it was beyond their control and that the real culprit
175 SJOtoLIR : Some of the last official figures related to the market-share between BZE-IAH, one-way: .......................Filter period....Available seats.....P
176 Viaggiare : Again I'm guessing the complaint will point out how differently Aeroméxico handled its own diverted flight, under similar conditions. There should b
177 Post contains images Mt99 : I wonder what "federal and state law" he is referring to.. Sounds like they are part of your crowd   "Similar" is not "Equal"[Edited 2008-12-10 07:0
178 Yellowtail : B6 has announced MCO-SJO....I give it 6 months....FLL would work...MCO...nope! Daily E190 service starts 3/26, fares start at a $99 one-way. The sched
179 2travel2know : Things have changed since Lacsa (and Aero Costa Rica) flew SJO-MCO, and Lacsa/Taca at that time had some connecting traffic in SJO.
180 Post contains links SJOtoLIR : Further information and comments about the intended B6 MCO-SJO are available below: http://www.airliners.net/aviation-fo...eneral_aviation/read.main/4
181 Post contains images Snaiks : is copa in a promotion or an error. Flight from Dec 28 - Jan 05
182 2travel2know : Did you buy the ticket? I know CM had some ridiculously cheap fares promotion lately.
183 CM767 : PTY-SJO is not cheap .... if you compare it with PTY-MEX at 350 return two weeks ago.
184 SJOtoLIR : Ironically, SJO-FLL is cheaper than SJO-PTY. Let me quote the following analysis: SJO-FLL: $ 369. Distance: 988 nm. $0,37 per nautical mile. SJO-PTY:
185 Carmenlu15 : My bet is on a promotion, likely matching TA's $199 fares (all taxes included) for intra-Central American flights. Last ticketing date is December 16
186 Viaggiare : I'm a bit apprehensive that your intended foray into semantics might get us a big "who the f*** cares!" from someone in the audience. Let's see how m
187 Mt99 : Who cares? Obviously the poor suffering passengers that were completely screwed by TA. If they did not care the would not be fling suit. If you would
188 2travel2know : What does the Colombia-Costa Rica bilateral has to say about that? I read in these forums that there's an issue with number of seats restrictions on
189 Viaggiare : Why don't we just let the fine lawyers at Moreno, Becerra & Casillas take care of it? No doubt they'll get their point across to the United States Di
190 Mt99 : Huh interesting. Next time I am in need of useless facts, I know were to go Do you know that dogs can't look up? If they were "fine" they would have
191 Viaggiare : It makes sense. TACA has cash and numerous other assets. Both the USCBP and the LAWA are more valuable as witnesses. The FAA has no vela en el entier
192 SJOtoLIR : The connecting destinations for B6 SJO-MCO will be very limited based on the schedule listed some inputs above. As a matter of fact, only JFK and som
193 Viaggiare : Diecisiete frecuencias semanales con derechos de tercera y cuarta libertad. En seis de ellas podrá ejercer derechos de trafico de quinta libertad v
194 Post contains links SJOtoLIR : Happy birthday, Central American aviation thread ! Second anniversary: December 14th 2006 - December 14th 2008. I attached the nice first edition in t
195 Viaggiare : Wow two years already! How about we do a commemorative intro for part 24 while someone from Honduras pops up and kindly volunteers to do the write-up
196 Yellowtail : Does DL look like they are improving LF in SAP and MGA at all? Last I checked it wasn't that good and comments in another forum say it is still so.
197 Viaggiare : So how long before they pull the plug on both? Has it been six weeks yet?
198 Yellowtail : Well SAP has been around a few years so I doubt they will pull the plug on that one. MGA and TGU....that is another story. But if WT was a lurker on t
199 Post contains links Yellowtail : Looks like AM is closing MGA http://noticias.aol.com.mx/articulos...a-aeromexico/n20081214124309990018 My spanish is a bit rusty but look like Feb.
200 Post contains links Viaggiare : That's right and it'll be twenty months since the route started. Here's another link.
201 Belizexp : Stop picking on WT he just take pride in the wonderful culture at DL which only a true company man/woman would understand. It almost like us Belizean
202 Diamond : Please continue the discussion in "part 24" of the same topic. note: any posts that slip through after this one and the thread-lock must be removed.
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