I have the same question. Where will AF Cargo send their 77F's? Will they start South American cargo flights? If so, to which destinations? I would like to know more about why AF and KL Cargo don't have South America in their scheduled cargo timetable? Is demand that small or unattractive to have fall-cargo flights to and from South America, next to their passenger flights to/from South America?
A388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 9130 posts, RR: 13 Reply 12, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 4846 times:
Quoting MEA-707 (Reply 15): Quoting A388 (Reply 13):
AF and KL Cargo don't have South America
Martinair Cargo which you can see as part of the AF/KL group is pretty strong in South America, their 4 744BCFs and 7 MD-11Fs are probably flying on South America for at least 50%
Yes, but they are not KL Cargo. They are part of AF-KL but not AF-KL. MP indeed is very strong in South America but I was wondering why AF-KL don't fly to this region of the world. Is the competition too intense making it not worthwhile to compete to/from South America?
RedChili From Norway, joined Jul 2005, 2053 posts, RR: 2 Reply 14, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 4620 times:
Quoting FlySSC (Thread starter): Initialy planned for October 2008, the delivery was delayed because of cetification problems.
Three months hardly qualifies as a delay!!! In the 21st Century, where we have the A380, the B787, the Superjet, and Windows Vista, three months should be as on-time as you can expect any program to be!
I guess it's not a question of "new" or "old". Probably GIUB is close to a "C" or "D" Check, and AF doesn't want to pay for this VERY expensive maintenance check for an aicraft that is scheduled anyway to leave the fleet within the next 3 years.
B747-428 ERF F-GIUA Oct. 2002 (from ILFC)
B747-428 ERF F-GIUB Oct.2002
B747-428 ERF F-GIUC Nov 2002 (from ILFC)
B747-428 ERF F-GIUD Mar 2004 (from ILFC)
B747-428 ERF F-GIUE Jun 2005
B747-428 BCF F-GISA Sep 1991 - Converted into a Freighter in Jun 2006
B747-428 BCF F-GISB Nov 1991 - Converted into a Freighter in Aug 2006
B747-428 BCF F-GISE Feb 1993 - Converted into a Freighter in Nov 2007
B747-481 BCF F-GISF Sep 2007 - Leased from ANA
B747-406 ERF F-GIUF was transfered to KLM Cargo last month.
Frigatebird From Netherlands, joined Jun 2008, 1244 posts, RR: 1 Reply 16, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 4450 times:
Quoting FlySSC (Reply 16): B747-406 ERF F-GIUF was transfered to KLM Cargo last month.
I wonder how long it will stay there. With the replacement of KL's 747s it's most likely the freighters will go as well. But to be replaced with what? KL won't order any new 777's any more, so what's left?
FlySSC From France, joined Aug 2003, 7313 posts, RR: 60 Reply 17, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 4372 times:
Quoting Frigatebird (Reply 17): But to be replaced with what? KL won't order any new 777's any more,
Why not ? AFKL will probably order additional B777F for AF in a close future, they could also add a few more units for KLM to replace the B747F. That would be logical.
The A330F is also an option for both AF & KL.
Air France Cargo is already "chartering" some A300F for services to North & West Africa and the Middle east.
A388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 9130 posts, RR: 13 Reply 19, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 4079 times:
Why are people now already talking about the KL Cargo 744ERF replacement? Those aircraft are still practically new. How many years do we expect KL Cargo to keep using their 744ERF fleet? 3 years? The 744ERF is still a very efficient and modern aircraft that will probably be used for at least 5 years or more. Anything can happen by that time. I think it's too early to already start discussing replacement of these new cargo haulers. AF-KL might even go for the A350F by that time.
Don't forget that AF's 744ERF's are also very young, just 3-5 years old. And those will be gone by 2013 too. Since AF/KL have their cargo division completely integrated, it wouldn't be logical too keep the KL 744ERF's that much longer (unfortunately, I should add).