SuperDash From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 572 posts, RR: 0 Reply 1, posted (5 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 4091 times:
From what I have read...no. But they are talking about deferring Q400s until they are able to sell CRJs. So, the net is that the CRJs could be in the fleet a bit longer than originally planned. Even with fuel at a lower rate the Q400 still kills the CRJ-700 in operating cost. Remember, the Q400 is still 30% more efficient than the CRJ. That translates to big bucks when you look at it on a yearly basis.
Flighty From United States of America, joined Apr 2007, 7932 posts, RR: 3 Reply 2, posted (5 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 4076 times:
Quoting SuperDash (Reply 1): Remember, the Q400 is still 30% more efficient than the CRJ. That translates to big bucks when you look at it on a yearly basis.
Yeah but the CRJ700's extra speed gives you an extra roundtrip from the crew and the jet, every day. That can be nice too. Don't get me wrong the Q400 is a compelling choice especially in the close packed East Coast. But in the West basically I think they need some of both, jets and props. The 700 can burn off 1,000 mile trips like nobody's business. Both are great aircraft within their specialties. But I question QX's decision, I really do.
SuperDash From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 572 posts, RR: 0 Reply 4, posted (5 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 4038 times:
Problem is in the West with Southwest pricing, you can burn off a 1,000 mile trip and burn off a ton of cash too and come out with less money than you started with. The sweet spot in the West, is around 1.5 to 2 hours. The Q400 is dominant in that sector - period. And it is a difference of at least $2M annually per plane - conservatively. If you look at the Horizon system 2.5 hours is the longest run they do. Only 50 of their flights are over 2 hours. And of those 50 only 24 are operated by the CRJ (5% of the flight total). It's not worth keeping a high cost plane for 5% when Q400 is mission capable on all of those routes. Once you go to common fleet another significant 8 figures of cost comes out of the company. That's why that is a good decision. Too bad they didn't do it 2 years ago.
If you want to question something, getting rid of the all of -200s was probably not as good of an option (keeping some but not all might have been good for some of the smaller routes). But at the end of the day, the CRJ just can't hold a candle to the Q400 - period.
Flyboy80 From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 1864 posts, RR: 3 Reply 8, posted (5 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 3958 times:
Horizon's Q400s are terrible. The plane came to the company to replace the 100/100As and some of the shorter F28 flying I guess you could say. AAG should have ordered the plane with at least everything the Brasilia has. I would take a QX RJ over a QX 700, but I would take a Lynx Q400 over both!
Matter of opinion. I've flown on several QX Q400's are enjoyed all of the flights. QX keeps their airplanes clean. They are relatively quiet compared to the old non-Q Dashes and the EMB-120). I would like to try Lynx someday, but you'll probably never find me flying on Frontier anyday soon.
SuperDash From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 572 posts, RR: 0 Reply 11, posted (5 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 3777 times:
Quoting Wedgetail737 (Reply 9): If this were the case, then why did QX buy the CRJ-700's in the first place?
As I understand the story....Horizon was looking to replace the F-28s. The launch of the CRJ came out first. Horizon's order was placed a year or so before the Q400. And remember that was for something in the vicinity of 30 birds - a number never reached by Horizon. But, Horizon couldn't get CRJ's fast enough and Bombardier pitched the Q400, which they could get sooner than the CRJ - I assume they got a good price as well. As mentioned above, the Q400 was to replace the Dash 8-100s and nothing much else. But then they found out how good the economics were and the Q400 replaced a bunch of F-28 routes while the CRJs went into a lot of new long haul routes - of which most failed (Tucson, Boise-San Diego, Boise-Denver, Boise-Phoenix, etc). Then the RJs were moved to Alaska routes (Portland-Bay Area, etc) and ultimately half the fleet to Frontier. Horizon has always had trouble making money with the CRJs. I am sure if they had a do-over that they never would have flown the CRJ. Some of the Alaska/Horizon folks please correct my history if I missed something.
EA CO AS From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 12951 posts, RR: 62 Reply 13, posted (5 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 3660 times:
Quoting Wedgetail737 (Reply 9): Quoting EA CO AS (Reply 6):
And again, when you consider the seat-mile costs for the Q400 are so much lower than the CR7 having an all-Q400 fleet is a no-brainer.
If this were the case, then why did QX buy the CRJ-700's in the first place?
Replacement for the F28s primarily, and it was a good candidate for the route harmonization that AS/QX have done within the last decade where routes that couldn't support 120-140 seats per flight were swapped for a 70 seat jet instead, keeping the route and revenue within Air Group.
But again the Q400 came afterward - and it blew their socks off.
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Wedgetail737 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5760 posts, RR: 5 Reply 15, posted (5 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 3530 times:
So, is it possible that we could see QX flying from SoCal like SBA to SEA or PDX nonstop, in addition to their new service between SMF-SBA? Is it possible that SMF could be a new intermediate QX hub in development?
CRJ900 From Norway, joined Jun 2004, 2133 posts, RR: 1 Reply 18, posted (5 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 3422 times:
How attractive are QX's CRJ700s on the market?
Bombardier still has orders for about 50 x CRJ700 NextGen, so the aircraft type isn't dead yet. But are factory-fresh aircraft (with the latest modifications included) more desirable even if the price is higher, than cheaper pre-owned aircraft that have been updated with most of the modifications?
Are QX's CR7s considered high-cycle aircraft already, after flying multiple one-two-hour flights for the last 5-7 years?
Flighty From United States of America, joined Apr 2007, 7932 posts, RR: 3 Reply 19, posted (5 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 3385 times:
Quoting CRJ900 (Reply 18): Are QX's CR7s considered high-cycle aircraft already, after flying multiple one-two-hour flights for the last 5-7 years?
No way. With fuel at $65 the CRJ700 has a lot of moneymaking years ahead of it. CRJs are built like tanks according to most sources. There is no record of CRJ700s being worn out yet, anywhere. They are all quite new. Come on, a 2002 built aircraft might need a little maintenance but its life has hardly begun yet. The NextGen aircraft appear to have very nice LED lightbulbs in the cabin, but Bombardier is playing it up a bit too much.
In a world where DC-9-30s can still make money, why is it hard to believe CR7s can earn their keep... I am not slagging the Q400, not at all. It is great. But the CR7 is also great at what it does.
Hatbutton From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 1475 posts, RR: 14 Reply 22, posted (5 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 3301 times:
Quoting AirNovaBAe146 (Reply 20): Anybody else know of other QX CR7s being disposed of, and who will be operating them.
I have heard no rumors about where the others are going. From what I have read on our employee website, the other 18 CRJs are still being marketed and no one has expressed any serious interest yet. Someone from QX correct me if I'm wrong though.
KBFIspotter From United States of America, joined May 2005, 729 posts, RR: 1 Reply 23, posted (5 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 3200 times:
Quoting Hatbutton (Reply 22): I have heard no rumors about where the others are going. From what I have read on our employee website, the other 18 CRJs are still being marketed and no one has expressed any serious interest yet. Someone from QX correct me if I'm wrong though.
I have heard a few rumors of were airlines interested in our CRJ's, but I cannot reveal them. It is my understanding that the remaining 18 are still up for graps with no serious interests so far, just a few nibbles.
CRJ900 From Norway, joined Jun 2004, 2133 posts, RR: 1 Reply 24, posted (5 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 3187 times:
How do QX use the CRJ700 most efficiently now?
Is it more economical to fly the jets on longer flights as fuel burn is lower during cruise? Or are the jets flying only higher-yield routes? Or odd-hours leisure flights to Mexico (night flights and such)?
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25 Jetboy319: This is a scheduled day on an actual CR7 trip: YVR - SEA SEA - PDX PDX - SEA SEA - YVR YVR - SEA SEA - PDX Of course there is also SEA - FAT, PDX - O
26 TylerDurden: Well, Horizon has no window shades...the seats don't recline....and there is no sink in the bathroom. It's a miserable ride. I believe Lynx has shade
27 EA CO AS: One man's opinion. Others think differently.
28 Jetboy319: That one opinion could be the difference between whether enough seats on the Q400 are filled to make the flight profitable or not. It is foolish to d
29 TylerDurden: One opinion that is shared by many. If you read ff blogs....there are plenty of complaints about Horizon's Q400's. That is not to say that it doesn't
30 Wedgetail737: The longest Q400 ride I had was SMF-BOI and I thought the ride was perfectly comfortable...it was all about the inflight service for me. But those th
31 Wedgetail737: I would like to make one more point. It is pretty obvious here that there are some here that are proud of their product.
32 Hatbutton: Yeah and QX chooses to instead invest in great customer service, inflight service that is second to none on regionals, and take part in the best FF p