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JAL Retires First 767-300  
User currently offlineNA From Germany, joined Dec 1999, 10363 posts, RR: 11
Posted (5 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 5958 times:

JAl has retired the first two 767-300s while still getting new frames of this aging airliner type.
As these Oldies are non-ERs and surely high-cycled frames I wonder whats happening to them. Anything else than a role as spares source would surprise me. All of JALs shorthaul aircraft do not survive considerably more than 20 years service. These two are from 1987! And there are some more of these Oldies.
Wonder when ANA is retiring its equally old shorthaul 763s. Cant be long until they are beercans.

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User currently offlineJAL From Canada, joined Apr 2000, 5078 posts, RR: 8
Reply 1, posted (5 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 5868 times:

Perhaps they will be converted to cargo planes.


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User currently offlineAAH732UAL From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (5 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 5825 times:



Quoting JAL (Reply 1):
Perhaps they will be converted to cargo planes.

IIRC aren't the 767-300s and maybe -200s going to be transferred over to J-ways. I know they where looking for gigen 767 type rated pilots a few months ago.

Quoting NA (Thread starter):
Wonder when ANA is retiring its equally old shorthaul 763s. Cant be long until they are beercans.

A lot of them are flying for AirJapan right now if I am not mistaking.


User currently offlineNA From Germany, joined Dec 1999, 10363 posts, RR: 11
Reply 3, posted (5 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 5600 times:



Quoting JAL (Reply 1):
Perhaps they will be converted to cargo planes.

Don´t think so. These are old non-ER high cycle airframes.

Quoting AAH732UAL (Reply 2):
IIRC aren't the 767-300s and maybe -200s going to be transferred over to J-ways. I know they where looking for gigen 767 type rated pilots a few months ago.

The last four 762s left are to be retired late next year. A number of 763s will be dumped earlier. All these are mid to -late 80s frames, no chance for a second carreer of considerable length. Some of these have already flown for various JAL subsidiaries.


User currently offlineAirbuseric From Netherlands, joined Jan 2005, 4207 posts, RR: 51
Reply 4, posted (5 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 5455 times:



Quoting NA (Reply 3):
The last four 762s left

JL only operates 3 B762's. Two out of NRT on international flights (mainly China) and 1 out of HND on domestic legs.



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User currently offlineCarpethead From Japan, joined Aug 2004, 2910 posts, RR: 3
Reply 5, posted (5 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 5231 times:

All of JL's 763/ERs are JL mainline.

There are now actually three 763s parked at HND in white colors. They are all 1986s builds.

This year was to see the retirement of the first 763s but I always thought they were going to be the 763ERs for freighter conversion.
Perhaps JL maintenance found some fatigue or other maintenance issues and considering the current economic situation, it was decided to retire these birds.


User currently offlineNed Kelly From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2001, 403 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (5 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 5177 times:

Any chance of letting us know the registrations of the two JAL non ER -300's taken out of service? Also I believe that JAL received the first produced ("prototype") 767-300, would this be one of them?

User currently offlineNA From Germany, joined Dec 1999, 10363 posts, RR: 11
Reply 7, posted (5 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 5076 times:

Indeed the 767-300 (non-ER) prototype was delivered to JAL as JA8236 in 1986.
The PW-powered prototype of the 767-300ER went to Lauda Air in 1988 and is in storage now. The GE-powered 767-300ER prototype went to Gulf Air in 1988 and is now flying for Mexicana.

I do not know the tail-nos. of the 3 aircraft now retired by JAL - but would be interested to know, too.


User currently offlineAerokiwi From New Zealand, joined Jul 2000, 2634 posts, RR: 4
Reply 8, posted (5 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 4993 times:

What's the deal with engine types on JAL's 767s? Are they a mix of PWs and GEs?

User currently offlineCarpethead From Japan, joined Aug 2004, 2910 posts, RR: 3
Reply 9, posted (5 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 4870 times:

The three 763s parked up are JA8234, JA8235, & JA8236. All powered by PW JT9D-7R4D.
When PW discontinued the JT9D-series powerplants, JL switched to GE for most of their widebody powerplants.


User currently offlineNed Kelly From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2001, 403 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (5 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 4640 times:



Quoting Carpethead (Reply 9):
The three 763s parked up are JA8234, JA8235, & JA8236. All powered by PW JT9D-7R4D.
When PW discontinued the JT9D-series powerplants, JL switched to GE for most of their widebody powerplants.

Thanks for the clarification on JA8236 which is also confirmed above was the very first 767-300. It would be nice if this aircraft could end up at the Boeing Museum of Flight rather than the scrapyard. Not sure if the first 767-300 is an imortant enough milestone for Boeing to acquire this aircraft. Perhaps we should start a campaign/petition to preserve this aircraft!


User currently offlineNA From Germany, joined Dec 1999, 10363 posts, RR: 11
Reply 11, posted (5 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 4477 times:

You cannot save every sub-series prototype. The 767 as an own model is a good aircraft, but not a milestone in aviation, especially not in the shape of the 763 non-ER.

User currently offlineAirbuseric From Netherlands, joined Jan 2005, 4207 posts, RR: 51
Reply 12, posted (5 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 3598 times:



Quoting Carpethead (Reply 9):
The three 763s parked up are JA8234, JA8235, & JA8236.

Cannot be fully correct, since JA8234 is in normal service with JL and will e.g. operate JL309/314 HND-FUK-HND on 05Nov.



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User currently offlineIrobertson From Canada, joined Apr 2006, 601 posts, RR: 3
Reply 13, posted (5 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 3471 times:

My guess: cargo conversion and sold to ABX Air.

User currently offlineNA From Germany, joined Dec 1999, 10363 posts, RR: 11
Reply 14, posted (5 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 3459 times:



Quoting Irobertson (Reply 13):
My guess: cargo conversion and sold to ABX Air.

There are better, newer ones parked out there like the Zoom 763s. In latest two years we will see the 767s being wfu by the dozen, soon in hundreds as they are replaced by 787s. Then is the time to catch them. I doubt, that right now ABX might want more freighters, let alone old stuff like these JAL birds.


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